Who wins? How's it going to play out?
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Who wins? How's it going to play out?
Froch destroys him!
Groves has it in him to win this on points but I cant see him keeping Froch off for 12 rounds.
Froch by late stoppage around 10th BUT I think Groves will shock a lot of people and win a load of early to mid rounds.
For the record I cant wait for this , really do think this is gonna be an absolute belter of a fight ;-)
I like groves. I know he's a big underdog but I can see him winning maybe by ko. Froch is going to come right for him and I could see groves putting him on his arse.
I think Groves is gonna frustrate him with his movement and smack that big nose all over the shop. Froch has been down and wobbled when caught with sniper counters and that's Groves game. Make the plodder chase.
Groves KO 1 or PTS. Fact.
Mid round stoppage either way, after a cagey opening with both trying to establish their jab. Someone will get tagged after a while and it will turn into a war.
If I have to pick, then Froch gets Groves up against the ropes a la Bute and a wave happy Howard Foster stops it.
I have bet Froch KO @ around Evens and Groves KO @ 12/1
This is a very interesting fight that I'm highly anticipating. I see experience playing a big role in this one because Groves has approximately 95 professional rounds and Froch has near 300. That kind of experience usually counts in big fights. This fight may be too early for Groves. Groves has balls though. It's also odd that Groves split with Booth before the biggest fight of his career. How will that play into this fight?
I know I keep coming back to it, but look at the difference between Groves' trajectory and DeGale's. It's night and day.
We all know speed troubles Froch, but at the same time, Froch has beat faster fighters multiples times before. He's got exceptional timing and he's rangy.
In my opinion, the question will be whether Groves can break out to an early lead on the cards. Win the first four rounds or so and then nick a couple down the line for a disputed points win. Also, we'll see if Groves can handle Froch's power over the full 12. I have a hard time seeing Groves stopping Froch.
Froch, on the other hand, needs to scare Groves with his power early and then win rounds on ring generalship, by forcing the action. I don't have hard time seeing Froch stopping Groves.
To me, this goes one of three ways, Groves on the cards, Froch by disputed decision, Froch by KO.
Has Groves been wobbled or stopped dead in his tracks in his professional career?
Anderson dropped Groves but he got up and done him in the 6th round.
But Froch was put on his ass by Taylor and went on to smash him in the last seconds.
Froch seriously needs to be aware of Groves chopping right handers early on.
Frochs low left hand is asking for it ;-)
# and the new...never seen so much shit in my life, trust me groves is going to be put to sleep next weekend and it's going to be one sided ...like the Bute fight. People thought Froch was going to be outboxed by him and the complete opposite happened and the same will happen next weekend trust me. The difference between Up and comers and proven elite level fighters will be shown next weekend mark my words. Sorry to piss on your fire Groves fans but your all in for a harsh dose of reality next weekend and there's only one word to describe what the cobra is going to do next weekend and that word is brutality. Because that's what we are going to see next weekend, brutality in the ring and the cobra will move one step closer to getting ward back in the ring again!!! He's coming for you Ward and there's nothing u can do about it
I posted this Groves' Facebook not too long ago but that's my prediction.
Nothing Ward can do about it? Like except beat him by an even wider margin this time:confused:
I think Groves is a very live dog in this, he has the tools to beat Froch if he can avoid getting caught early on imo.
I'm in the same boat. Experience and power all Froch, but Groves is a mover and Froch has trouble with them. I think I am just going to enjoy this one as I can't pick. It should be a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
groves on points
styles make fights
Heart says Groves
Head says Froch
It depends how they approach it, if it ends up being a slugfest Froch will stop him mid rounds.
But if Groves can stay on the back foot and land jabs and eye catching right leads, and just try and avoid Froch all fight, I think he could take a points decision.
One thing I'm sure of is that it won't be the 1 sided demolishing of Groves that everyone seems to think.
Groves is mandatory for a world title for a reason and credit to him for taking a risky fight that he didn't have to take so early in his career.
Its a win/win for Groves. If he loses well it was a little to much to soon. Its refreshing to see such a young guy challenge himself like this. Groves is in rare company for doing so these days. On the surface this does look like a man fighting a boy scenario but I've never seen Froch as rattled as he has been for this set up. For the Groves team this is just a case of the torch being passed but to Carl its an insult after what he has been through to get here. Groves looks sloppy to me and carries both hands low a lot and has escaped getting caught big because of his movement and the opposition he has faced. I dont think he gets through this one on his feet but will put in a brave effort and it wont hurt his future at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
@IamInuit makes a good point
i think i as many see groves in with a chance partly due to his movement
but can someone as inexperienced as groves really get through a fight with froch adopting a hands low defence? i dunno me
Btw its a shame Joshua and Murray have both pulled out of the card. Lee has stepped in and I have not seen him in awhile.
Groves on points. Make space in your sig @Tam Seddon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Groves will get soundly beaten, make space in your sig. ;) I have full faith in Froch as usual because Groves is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnGroves on points. Make space in your sig @Tam Seddon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
@Tam Seddon im starting to think you have too much emotion tied up in this fight which seems to be preventing you from making a completely sound judgementQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonGroves will get soundly beaten, make space in your sig. ;) I have full faith in Froch as usual because Groves is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnGroves on points. Make space in your sig @Tam Seddon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
to get a sound opinion of a fight you need to get a scale and put all the fans on it, lovers and haters of each fighter on opposite ends of the scale and different levels of that love and hate rducing to the center, here you would get the more impartial level headed people when concerned with the fight
you would choose a handful of those fans who are somewhere round the middle of the scale, and you would get what you could consider a fair and varied review on how the fight might go
i dont think you would be one of those people chosen to review
Trust me I've seen enough of Groves to give a sound judgement, he has boxing ability against weaker opposition but even in these fights I've seen him be hurt. Look at the Andrerson fight when he went down, somebody like Froch would be relentless and would finish him if he had him hurt. Froch is leagues above Anderson and if Anderson had a bit more speed and stamina he would have done more damage on Groves. Let's not forget he took that fight in 2 weeks notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44@Tam Seddon im starting to think you have too much emotion tied up in this fight which seems to be preventing you from making a completely sound judgementQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonGroves will get soundly beaten, make space in your sig. ;) I have full faith in Froch as usual because Groves is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnGroves on points. Make space in your sig @Tam Seddon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
to get a sound opinion of a fight you need to get a scale and put all the fans on it, lovers and haters of each fighter on opposite ends of the scale and different levels of that love and hate rducing to the center, here you would get the more impartial level headed people when concerned with the fight
you would choose a handful of those fans who are somewhere round the middle of the scale, and you would get what you could consider a fair and varied review on how the fight might go
i dont think you would be one of those people chosen to review
Who else has Groves beat? Degale and Johnson...let's look at the Degale fight, it was close and could have really gone either way depending on how you look at it. Personally I thought Degale was dogshit last weekend against somebody who is a nobody, showing that I don't really think Degale has it in him to be a 168 champion for a long time and Groves had a tough fight with him.
Johnson was far past it when he got in with Groves, how many losses had he had by that point 17? Let's not forget Bute beat him in every round and Johnson got soundly beat by Froch as well. So I don't give Groves any credit for beating a has been Johnson, no disrespect to Johnson but by the times Groves got him in the ring he was miles past his best.
Who else has groves beat? Nobody that I have really heard of, he's not experienced at this level which Froch is and has proven for years and years. Groves shouldn't have been such a whimp and gone down the Steiglitz route when he had a shot at the title but he pulled out of that one with a shitty injury. He should have gained more experience going down that route because he really is throwing himself in the deep end here.
Some people gave canelo hope vs floyd but the young gun with not enough experience got found out. This is what's going to happen here, but Froch will outbox and stop Groves.
see just to quote your view on the anderson fight in the first paragraph, i think someone who wasnt so emotionally involved would probably suggest groves had a scare against anderson but it was his first big fight, it was early in his career and he might have learned a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonTrust me I've seen enough of Groves to give a sound judgement, he has boxing ability against weaker opposition but even in these fights I've seen him be hurt. Look at the Andrerson fight when he went down, somebody like Froch would be relentless and would finish him if he had him hurt. Froch is leagues above Anderson and if Anderson had a bit more speed and stamina he would have done more damage on Groves. Let's not forget he took that fight in 2 weeks notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Who else has Groves beat? Degale and Johnson...let's look at the Degale fight, it was close and could have really gone either way depending on how you look at it. Personally I thought Degale was dogshit last weekend against somebody who is a nobody, showing that I don't really think Degale has it in him to be a 168 champion for a long time and Groves had a tough fight with him.
Johnson was far past it when he got in with Groves, how many losses had he had by that point 17? Let's not forget Bute beat him in every round and Johnson got soundly beat by Froch as well. So I don't give Groves any credit for beating a has been Johnson, no disrespect to Johnson but by the times Groves got him in the ring he was miles past his best.
Who else has groves beat? Nobody that I have really heard of, he's not experienced at this level which Froch is and has proven for years and years. Groves shouldn't have been such a whimp and gone down the Steiglitz route when he had a shot at the title but he pulled out of that one with a shitty injury. He should have gained more experience going down that route because he really is throwing himself in the deep end here.
Some people gave canelo hope vs floyd but the young gun with not enough experience got found out. This is what's going to happen here, but Froch will outbox and stop Groves.
I think if the groves of now fought the andserson of then i think its fair to say it would be a very different story
just as you suggest if the froch of now fought the groves of then it would have probably ended in a KO
its a pity anderson has not continued his career btw, he looked like a very good prospect and probably would have gotten to world level
(your other paragraphs suggest even more emotion than your first too)
Im a huge Froch fan and he's up there with the best of British for me, true warrior.
I said before Groves will amaze me if he can stay away and not get clipped, stunned then battered by Froch.
If he can manage to do that then his style will get him a points win in a boring fight but I just see the needle between them effecting the fight at some stage and the fuse will be lit for a centre ring tear up.
Once that happens Froch will go through him no problem and seriously fuck him up.
You gotta be seriously good on your feet to keep Froch away for 12 rounds.
But theres always that thing in the mind where Groves just might have that extra gear we haven't seen yet and shock us all.
The reason this is such a great matchup.
It's not emotion I'm just telling you how it is really. When you think about what I've said. Froch was never hurt and put down early in his career by an Anderson level fighter. Taylor is the only guy to put him down, and I rate Taylor at that time a tougher fight with it being in America and him being a former 160 champion. Taylor had proven himself against genuine proven fighters...Groves hasn't and I stand by that going into this fight. The experience at the world level is the difference. Look at how many rounds Froch has boxed at this level and It just shows Groves isn't ready for this step up. And you can read what I've posted on Sunday morning and see that I was right in what I was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44see just to quote your view on the anderson fight in the first paragraph, i think someone who wasnt so emotionally involved would probably suggest groves had a scare against anderson but it was his first big fight, it was early in his career and he might have learned a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonTrust me I've seen enough of Groves to give a sound judgement, he has boxing ability against weaker opposition but even in these fights I've seen him be hurt. Look at the Andrerson fight when he went down, somebody like Froch would be relentless and would finish him if he had him hurt. Froch is leagues above Anderson and if Anderson had a bit more speed and stamina he would have done more damage on Groves. Let's not forget he took that fight in 2 weeks notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Who else has Groves beat? Degale and Johnson...let's look at the Degale fight, it was close and could have really gone either way depending on how you look at it. Personally I thought Degale was dogshit last weekend against somebody who is a nobody, showing that I don't really think Degale has it in him to be a 168 champion for a long time and Groves had a tough fight with him.
Johnson was far past it when he got in with Groves, how many losses had he had by that point 17? Let's not forget Bute beat him in every round and Johnson got soundly beat by Froch as well. So I don't give Groves any credit for beating a has been Johnson, no disrespect to Johnson but by the times Groves got him in the ring he was miles past his best.
Who else has groves beat? Nobody that I have really heard of, he's not experienced at this level which Froch is and has proven for years and years. Groves shouldn't have been such a whimp and gone down the Steiglitz route when he had a shot at the title but he pulled out of that one with a shitty injury. He should have gained more experience going down that route because he really is throwing himself in the deep end here.
Some people gave canelo hope vs floyd but the young gun with not enough experience got found out. This is what's going to happen here, but Froch will outbox and stop Groves.
I think if the groves of now fought the andserson of then i think its fair to say it would be a very different story
just as you suggest if the froch of now fought the groves of then it would have probably ended in a KO
its a pity anderson has not continued his career btw, he looked like a very good prospect and probably would have gotten to world level
(your other paragraphs suggest even more emotion than your first too)
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Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIt's not emotion I'm just telling you how it is really. When you think about what I've said. Froch was never hurt and put down early in his career by an Anderson level fighter. Taylor is the only guy to put him down, and I rate Taylor at that time a tougher fight with it being in America and him being a former 160 champion. Taylor had proven himself against genuine proven fighters...Groves hasn't and I stand by that going into this fight. The experience at the world level is the difference. Look at how many rounds Froch has boxed at this level and It just shows Groves isn't ready for this step up. And you can read what I've posted on Sunday morning and see that I was right in what I was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44see just to quote your view on the anderson fight in the first paragraph, i think someone who wasnt so emotionally involved would probably suggest groves had a scare against anderson but it was his first big fight, it was early in his career and he might have learned a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonTrust me I've seen enough of Groves to give a sound judgement, he has boxing ability against weaker opposition but even in these fights I've seen him be hurt. Look at the Andrerson fight when he went down, somebody like Froch would be relentless and would finish him if he had him hurt. Froch is leagues above Anderson and if Anderson had a bit more speed and stamina he would have done more damage on Groves. Let's not forget he took that fight in 2 weeks notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Who else has Groves beat? Degale and Johnson...let's look at the Degale fight, it was close and could have really gone either way depending on how you look at it. Personally I thought Degale was dogshit last weekend against somebody who is a nobody, showing that I don't really think Degale has it in him to be a 168 champion for a long time and Groves had a tough fight with him.
Johnson was far past it when he got in with Groves, how many losses had he had by that point 17? Let's not forget Bute beat him in every round and Johnson got soundly beat by Froch as well. So I don't give Groves any credit for beating a has been Johnson, no disrespect to Johnson but by the times Groves got him in the ring he was miles past his best.
Who else has groves beat? Nobody that I have really heard of, he's not experienced at this level which Froch is and has proven for years and years. Groves shouldn't have been such a whimp and gone down the Steiglitz route when he had a shot at the title but he pulled out of that one with a shitty injury. He should have gained more experience going down that route because he really is throwing himself in the deep end here.
Some people gave canelo hope vs floyd but the young gun with not enough experience got found out. This is what's going to happen here, but Froch will outbox and stop Groves.
I think if the groves of now fought the andserson of then i think its fair to say it would be a very different story
just as you suggest if the froch of now fought the groves of then it would have probably ended in a KO
its a pity anderson has not continued his career btw, he looked like a very good prospect and probably would have gotten to world level
(your other paragraphs suggest even more emotion than your first too)
Thing is ..... a good fighter in the making can and will step up at some point.
This could be Watson v Benn all over again. ;-)
Froch is obviously a massive favourite to win this but every dog has his day and maybe we haven't seen what Groves is fully capable of yet and if he's clever he definitely has the style to nick this on points.
As far as Groves is concerned , if he can stay out of range and counter Froch well for 12 rounds he wins this.
HOWEVER. ....
Groves claims he will stand and fight ... not so sure thats a good idea at all ?
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/9034692
No but dont forget Frochs opponents werent that good. His best opponents before he fought Pascal were Magee and Reid. Reid had retired after being stopped by Lacy and Magee was dropped all over the shop by Reid while Reid still had a bit of something in the tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIt's not emotion I'm just telling you how it is really. When you think about what I've said. Froch was never hurt and put down early in his career by an Anderson level fighter. Taylor is the only guy to put him down, and I rate Taylor at that time a tougher fight with it being in America and him being a former 160 champion. Taylor had proven himself against genuine proven fighters...Groves hasn't and I stand by that going into this fight. The experience at the world level is the difference. Look at how many rounds Froch has boxed at this level and It just shows Groves isn't ready for this step up. And you can read what I've posted on Sunday morning and see that I was right in what I was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44see just to quote your view on the anderson fight in the first paragraph, i think someone who wasnt so emotionally involved would probably suggest groves had a scare against anderson but it was his first big fight, it was early in his career and he might have learned a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonTrust me I've seen enough of Groves to give a sound judgement, he has boxing ability against weaker opposition but even in these fights I've seen him be hurt. Look at the Andrerson fight when he went down, somebody like Froch would be relentless and would finish him if he had him hurt. Froch is leagues above Anderson and if Anderson had a bit more speed and stamina he would have done more damage on Groves. Let's not forget he took that fight in 2 weeks notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Who else has Groves beat? Degale and Johnson...let's look at the Degale fight, it was close and could have really gone either way depending on how you look at it. Personally I thought Degale was dogshit last weekend against somebody who is a nobody, showing that I don't really think Degale has it in him to be a 168 champion for a long time and Groves had a tough fight with him.
Johnson was far past it when he got in with Groves, how many losses had he had by that point 17? Let's not forget Bute beat him in every round and Johnson got soundly beat by Froch as well. So I don't give Groves any credit for beating a has been Johnson, no disrespect to Johnson but by the times Groves got him in the ring he was miles past his best.
Who else has groves beat? Nobody that I have really heard of, he's not experienced at this level which Froch is and has proven for years and years. Groves shouldn't have been such a whimp and gone down the Steiglitz route when he had a shot at the title but he pulled out of that one with a shitty injury. He should have gained more experience going down that route because he really is throwing himself in the deep end here.
Some people gave canelo hope vs floyd but the young gun with not enough experience got found out. This is what's going to happen here, but Froch will outbox and stop Groves.
I think if the groves of now fought the andserson of then i think its fair to say it would be a very different story
just as you suggest if the froch of now fought the groves of then it would have probably ended in a KO
its a pity anderson has not continued his career btw, he looked like a very good prospect and probably would have gotten to world level
(your other paragraphs suggest even more emotion than your first too)
I can deffinitly see Groves frustrating Froch and I can even see him hurting Froch. Im still not seeing a win either way, its a much more even fight when you look further in to it.
Did the Kessler fight make Carl look fresher than he is because Kessler now struggles with the weight?
as others have said, I don't think froch fought anyone of andersons level early in his careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
but like you suggest froches chin is definitely more tried and tested
froch is a massive favourite, I don't think its going to be as one sided as you suggest, groves certainly isn't nothing
if I had a life and death bet I would put it on froch KO 10-12
I do think that groves has a very good chance tho, I wouldn't be that surprised if he pulled it off
It was an odd knockdown, but it doesn't bode well for Groves. He's improved since then, but Froch is a whole different bucket of worms.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
It's a pretty exciting match up though nonetheless.
Groves is a right cheeky bastard on that Ringside Episode.
Can't see any other outcome than a Froch win. Even if it's a close fight and it goes to points I think Froch gets the decision. I don't think Froch stops him and I think Groves will have his moments but Froch will win seven or eight rounds clearly.
Froch stoppage late or points win after Groves tires.
Carl will win in 10 rounds in a come from behind victory. Groves will take the lead by out manoeuvring Carl but will lose concentration and Carl rescues it like he did vs Taylor
So Andy Lee is now fighting on the undercard which means Adam Booth will be in his corner........
Wonder if he makes contact with Groves pre fight or what effect this might have on Groves mind..?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_qZ6IPl3RE
this is kinda fun.
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Im liking Groves nerve. I now want him to win but not sure if he will.
I liked in the final press conference how McCracken and Froch were gigling together while groves was talking but when George said "they say iv got a bad chin but ive never been knocked out. They say Carl has KO power but when was the last time he KO'd someone?". They both went stoney faced.
It has gotten to McCracken too. I am still expecting Booth to turn up and ts funny someone mentioned Booth being the weird gingerbread man mascott thing as its a little short arse like Booth aswell and in the media workout, walking to the ring out of all the people entering in Groves team, Eddie Hearn only bumps fists with George and the mascott. Not Paddy or any of the others. Although I doubt hed be there as that is pointless.
This is funny too http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDikAGAEsM0
Unless the Kessler fight was Froch's last hurrah and it took everything out of him, he should win this comfortably.
The more I see of Groves, the more I see an "elusive" fighter who is actually quite easy to hit. He'll probably run and try to frustrate Froch, but Carl will catch up with him at some point, trap him against the ropes and force the referee to step in.
I don't see it going more than 5 or 6 rounds.
Even Abraham manged to catch up with Dirrell;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
I love the build up to and the hype of the fight week it gets u up for it, It wouldn't supprise me if Adam booth like some sort of circus act....... This fight has the making of a proper slugfest I only see froch winning this 1 with his chin holding out and the reason I love watching groves cause I think he has the same sort of amir Kahn vunrability as u never know what u gunna get from him
What times the weigh in..?