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Israel has nuclear weapons.
America has nuclear weapons.
Israel has and has used chemical weapons.
America has and has used chemical and nuclear weapons.
America illegally invades countries and renditions people, Israel randomly bombs embassies and assasinates people.
And yet Iran remains a problem? Really? Why is this even news and why doesn't Iran tell them all to just fuck off?
I cannot stand religion, but what annoys me more than religion is the posturing abuse of power.
What if you have a wrong perspective?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Notice that every country which has a "cult of a man" = tirany like ex- USSR (Stalin), Cuba (Castro), North Korea (little rat), Libia (kadafi)- they suck, people live pourly, men and freedom are abused, human rights are violated , etc etc. Iran does not believe in true God, and they suck big time. Simple as that.
Second reason they are openly against Isreal. God will kick they asses.
Feel free to ask more questions. :lickish:
In addition, the US and Israel are crazy but Iran is crazy crazy, that's enough of a reason.
Perspective is something suggested to me. All I know is that you have to be consistent and to allow God to get involved is dishonest. The entire media discourse is dishonest on this issue, except for a few valiant resisting parties.
In addtion to the addition, it does not matter what people are thinking is right or wrong. What matters is what God thinks is right or wrong. This goes beyond human logic. Iran is wrong in God' opinion, that's enough of a reason.
Absolute bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Your country invades others, it toppled the elected Iranian leader, it renditions, it tortures, it assassinates on sovereign soil, it spies upon the communications of all (Hello Nigel at the NSA! Don't tell the wife). It leaves a flotsam of military debris after almost every invaded nation.
Who were you suggesting is crazy? I've not even started on Israel.
Look, if you really want the answer, I am trying to explain it to youQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfAbsolute bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Your country invades others, it toppled the elected Iranian leader, it renditions, it tortures, it assassinates on sovereign soil, it spies upon the communications of all (Hello Nigel at the NSA! Don't tell the wife). It leaves a flotsam of military debris after almost every invaded nation.
Who were you suggesting is crazy? I've not even started on Israel.
What you are saying is an opinion based on your belief which you got from childhood. These beliefs are formed by the culture you grew up around and so on. I resect it, but ...
The "but" is : there is absolute truth. So, Iran in its actions might be doing something not bad "locally", but the foundations of their actions, the first principles, are screwed. This is why they suffer. Simple as that.
You don't ask questions, you make statements posed as questions. I wouldn't even bother to debate you. It would be like trying to teach a pig to sing which would waste my time and annoy the pig.
No, Iran is being made to go through the grind because it is a weaker power, but it is the easier option than being the next Iraq. Morally, they have every right to nuclear power. Nobody could suggest otherwise. However, what we have is an immoral crock of shit governing the world and once again a sovereign nation must bend.
It is degrading and appalling.
I keep looking for the perfect cue to leave in a flash of poetic glory, but politics muddies any beauty in the language.
Right, and God is singing a lullaby in the corner of the room. Oh, but he must be somewhere else then. Ho, ho, ho, the big God charlatan fair. Beliefs with nothing, at least my nothings are really my nothings.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
You are right here to some extent. Bible predicts that Iran will rise in more power and go against Isreal. So, you are right, Iran is right now being shaped for that by "bad forces". You will probably have nuke after some time. But it all does not matter, because God will intervene and destroy Iran (ex-Babylon) forever. Hallelujah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
But The USA and Israel are hypocrites. How can they have and then demand another to say no. It is silly.
Oh snap, that is some funny shit. Classic seminQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou are right here to some extent. Bible predicts that Iran will rise in more power and go against Isreal. So, you are right, Iran is right now being shaped for that by "bad forces". You will probably have nuke after some time. But it all does not matter, because God will intervene and destroy Iran (ex-Babylon) forever. Hallelujah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
When will I become "vintage"?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Check back in fifteen minutesQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminWhen will I become "vintage"?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
God sees Isreal, being hypocrite, as rightous. USA, being hypocrite, is used by God to help Isreal. Iran , being hypocrite too, is used by Satan against Isreal. Is it so hard to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
God doesn't see that as all because there is no God. It's a human condition.
we will comeback to that when Iran will be accidentallu wiped out from the surface of the Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you are so against the idea of God why are you supporting Iran's ability to acquire nuclear weapons. Whenever they blow something up they chant Allah Akba and beat women. Maybe you feel our religious convictions are not oppressive enough. I guess you could take the view that if one country has nukes, everyone should but do you think the world is better of with a Nuclear Iran.
When do Iran ever blow anything up?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Even the US intelligence services admit Iran isn't making any effort to construct a nuclear wepon. What Iran want is a nuclear programme to supply energy and other civilian uses.
Back when our pet dictator ran the country we didn't have any problems with Iran having a nuclear facility.
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Iran doesn't blow stuff up, they just protect and sponsor those that do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If you believe that all Iran wants is nuclear energy you're a bigger fool than I realized. Also, your grammar is atrocious.
If all they're doing is protecting and sponsoring terrorist groups then that means they're no different to the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIran doesn't blow stuff up, they just protect and sponsor those that do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If you believe that all Iran wants is nuclear energy you're a bigger fool than I realized. Also, your grammar is atrocious.
The US intelligence services all agree that Iran isn't attempting to build a nuclear bomb.
And my grammar is just fine.
Salaman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchens knew a nuclear Iran was a bad thing. You might disagree with me but perhaps not them.
Iran have been bought out for billions by allowing sanctions to be lifted on them in exchange for not carrying on with their research in making nuclear weapons. They have done well out of the deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsGUYnFAvdY
So just to set the record straight Kirkland sides with Mos Def and I side with Hitchens and Rushdie.
YOU be the judge, I say it's dangerous, you can side with the useful idiots all you want, but if you are wrong we're as citizens of the World in a DEEP shit, if I'm wrong then NOTHING happens.
I think Iran has every right to have nuclear capabilities but I also think Israel has every right to unilateraly, pro-actively and pre-emptively defend themselves against a nation that has stated they want to wipe them out. A nuclear Iran is an Israeli and Saudi issue. If something needs to be done about it, it should be by them and them alone.
I hope Bebe demolishes Iran, but without US being in the corner of Israel they'll be a bit timid as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Why bring the opinions of individual punters into it? I'm sure if you think hard enough you can think of an even dumber way to view the Iranian nuclear situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Christopher Hitchens knew invading Iraq was a brilliant idea.
There isn't an intelligence agency in the world who thinks Iran are trying to build a nuke other than Israel's but they've been claiming Iran is a year a way from a nuke since 1982. There's a load of Israel-created hysteria in the US media about Iran being close to a bomb but it's just hype and hysteria to fool the people you can fool all of the time.
Iran have never stated that they want to wipe Israel off the map. What they have said is that they don't want a nuclear weapon and they'll never pre-emptively attack another country. More bullshit hysteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
The only way that Iran will build a nuke is if they do get attacked. An attack would also cement the current regime in power for at least another generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI hope Bebe demolishes Iran, but without US being in the corner of Israel they'll be a bit timid as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
#1 It's your OPINION that Iran won't build a nuke unless attacked. And I'm here to tell you that in this situation your opinion gives me and more importantly the citizens of America and Israel no piece of mind in regards to our safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
#2 Yeah it would "cement the current regime in power" because it's not like they've had the exact same power structure since the fucking revolution you dope
You do understand that Iran's posturing (even if it is ONLY posturing) against Israel and the United States gives the Israelis and Americans all the reason in the world to take them at their word. Why wouldn't I believe that Iran DOES want to "wipe Israel off the map"? Their fucking leaders have said it for decades but you're saying "No, they'll be peaceful"....based on what? What FACTUAL evidence do you have to support your claims? There are plenty of quotes by Iranian leaders that support my stance on this issue.
It's a fact that only America has ever used nuclear weapons directly against innocent people and so should NEVER be involved in any discussion about nuclear weapons. If any nation on this earth should be undergoing sanctions it would be America and if there were to be a number two it would be Israel.
Iran has had to deal with the overthrowing of a leader by America and Britain who simply had the decency to nationalise the nations resources, has had to deal with the imposition of a puppet state, then proudly got rid of that puppet, and then people like Lyle get shocked when individuals of Iran later suggest Israel needs to be got rid of? Just astounding.
The West and its duped populations need to wake up and smell the roses. The West certainly doesn't smell of roses. It has caused all kinds of nonsense in the region and now the holier than thou West is brokering deals with Iran to trade their own resources more freely. Please.
even if I give you the benefit of the doubt on that statement you must recognize that neither the USA nor Israel have ever called for the complete destruction of Iran.....FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
America has actively destroyed nations on numerous occasions. You have used the bomb on Japan twice, carried out genocide on Vietnam, overthrown numerous democratic leaders, lied to invade Iraq etc, etc. Now what is a little rhetorical bluster as compared with actually doing something? Has Iran ever invaded Israel? Has Iran ever toppled the leadership of America? You are applying ridiculous levels of hypocrisy to a one off warped threat against Israel considering EVERYTHING that your nation has been doing in the past 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongeven if I give you the benefit of the doubt on that statement you must recognize that neither the USA nor Israel have ever called for the complete destruction of Iran.....FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The facts are facts. Your nation is responsible for the most incredible levels of destruction on this planet far beyond anything known in human history. The US and Iranian nukes is a ridiculous concept and of course the Western media has to follow the narrative. It is laughable though, quite ridiculous.
It's not my opinion. It's the opinion of your intelligence agencies. The people who know what they're talking about. You're just reacting to the hysterical crap your hear on TV where no doubt Iran are either trying to get or probably already have a nuke.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 It's your OPINION that Iran won't build a nuke unless attacked. And I'm here to tell you that in this situation your opinion gives me and more importantly the citizens of America and Israel no piece of mind in regards to our safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
#2 Yeah it would "cement the current regime in power" because it's not like they've had the exact same power structure since the fucking revolution you dope
You do understand that Iran's posturing (even if it is ONLY posturing) against Israel and the United States gives the Israelis and Americans all the reason in the world to take them at their word. Why wouldn't I believe that Iran DOES want to "wipe Israel off the map"? Their fucking leaders have said it for decades but you're saying "No, they'll be peaceful"....based on what? What FACTUAL evidence do you have to support your claims? There are plenty of quotes by Iranian leaders that support my stance on this issue.
I could point out to you that they don't have the facility to enrich uranium more than 20% and you need to enrich it to 100% to make a nuclear bomb, or that we have nuclear inspectors in their plants every week monitoring exactly what they're doing, that they'd have to test any bomb before building one and we'd immediately know they'd carried out a test, that they'd still have to weapoinse a bomb and fit it on a warhead and they don't have the tech to do that or build a trigger or build a missile that could so the job. I've already told you all this but it long ago fell off the back of your shelf to be replaced by hysterical stuff from the cable news screamers.
This stuff is all common knowledge to anybody who reads the fucking paper every day. You should try it! Occasionally you'd avoid looking like a total fucking ignoramus.
Common knowledge among the intelligence agencies eh? You mean like the knowledge that Saddam had WMD's?
Also terrorist groups which Iran supports have adopted the mushroom cloud as a symbol.... even us "Evil Americans" haven't done that you dope
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
You asked why is there a discussion about Iran and nukes , then you started a thread on it ?
Did you ask yourself why is there a thread on Iran and nukes?
I think Iran, which is a fairly large country and powerful regional power unto itself anyway, is not the push over that it's neighbours have been, particularly since I believe they have a sort of alliance formed with Russia and China, the triple pact designed to limit US incursion into the region. Iran possesses the largest stock of sea mines in the world and in the event of war are capable of completely sealing off the Persian Gulf from enemy ships, thereby limiting any US military action to air strike and cross border land invasion with the threat of Russian and Chinese action as well. An unlikely scenario.
Might as well embrace Iran now as a nuclear power as there's F/A America can or rather will do about it except make empty threats and whinge. Without EU and UN backing for an invasion they are in fact, out-mighted by the "Eurasian axis".
The USintelligence agancies had Iraq ranked as a non-factor as far as any terrorist threat went. Then an opportunity to invade Iraq came along and Cheney went to have a word with the CIA and suddenly Iraq became a serious threat to the national security of the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
There isn't a single instance you can point to of the US intelligence agancies ever underestimating a military threat. After the cold war ended it turned out they'd been overestimating the USSR's military/nuclear capability by a factor of about fifteen.
They're not overestimating things here either. You're just listening to the bullshit on TV and you're doing what they want, wetting the bed over a nonexistent threat.
You don't even have a grasp of the long history of Israeli bullshitting over an Iranian nuclear weapon. Israel have been trying to get America to attack Iran since 1982 by bullshitting about Iran being on the cusp of having a nuke.
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"Iran in final stages of nuclear weapon" (Maariv, April 25, 1984)
And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these are policies that we are going to keep in place............
Colin Powell 2001
U.S. Secretary Of State Colin Powell & Foreign Minister of Egypt Amre Moussa