Anyone seen much of him so far? He's on the Pacquio Rios card and against Tor Hamer I expected him to win by KO in the first 5 rounds. Overall I've been impressed by his hand speed and durability, although he certainly doesnt look the best!
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Anyone seen much of him so far? He's on the Pacquio Rios card and against Tor Hamer I expected him to win by KO in the first 5 rounds. Overall I've been impressed by his hand speed and durability, although he certainly doesnt look the best!
He's a fatter Cris Arreola
Yea, to me he just looks like a really tough and tenacious guy. Doubt he'll ever get to the top level just based on his physicality, I have no idea how good Tor Hamer is though.
I like the guy, good hands. He's a notch up in technique compared to Chris at same point. Tor looked half arsed and was broken up by Glazkov last.
Ruiz took some punches. Hamer quits again
'He jiggles forward' - Larry Merchant on Ruiz.
He puts his punches together pretty good, but he doesn't get out of the way of anything. Somebody needs to teach him some defense because this guy was hitting him a lot for two rounds. Now, Hamer can't punch, not even a little, but that's no reason to let him hit you.
He has a nice jab which he neglected after hurting Hamer in first. He sticks on it, it chnges everything thereQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Physiques can be deceiving and we cant always judge a fighter off their looks. Ruiz is one of the quickest HWs out there today so that blubber isnt affecting him..
Arreola is on that boat as well. Even when he was fat years ago, he still had good stamina..
I first saw andy ruiz live at the home depot center and everbody around me was in awe by how quick this fat guy was..lol
He reminds me of Georgie garcia. Georgie was listed at 5'9", but I stood next to him and I'll call him 5'7", and he weighed 259,260. He was a 2004 US Olympic alternate. Very fast hands, couldn't punch much.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Well, he can't move out of the punches as much because he is fat. For good movement you need a good waistline and good hip movement. Ruiz is just too fat to get out of the way... but he has good pop and great speed and a decent chin. He also works the inside better than anyone I have seen in a long while-- partly because he is fat and out of shape in the midsection and he is forced to stay in the pocket and trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Ruiz can use a bit more movement. But, it's not his gameplan and he wins without it. So...
:p
I might be premature in saying this, but to me Ruiz seems like a poor man's Arreola. I don't buy him as the next big HW sensation.
I don't think anyone has him down as a 'sensation'. His fast hands makes him a good fighter on the inside but his defence is quite poor which hasn't been exposed yet because he's got a decent chin. I think having such a short reach puts him at a bit of a disadvantage too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Hamer got his purse withheld and dropped by DiBella for quitting.
Andy won't do much IMO people will learn to outbox him and tire him out.
Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'd still pay him part of his purse as severance pay to get out of the sport.
Even Yori Boy wasn't that quick to say fuck it in a fight.
Ruiz is super easy to hit. I wasn't too impressed with him.
Hamer is too well educated and wealthy to be a boxer. He doesn't have the heart for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I know there are exceptions (Barrera, ect) but a guy like that, as great an athlete as he is, isn't going to have the guts that a street guy like Ruiz jr has.
That notion will always be true.. OF course there are exceptions but generally, one who had a privileded lifetstyle growing up can't succeed inside the ring..Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHamer is too well educated and wealthy to be a boxer. He doesn't have the heart for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I know there are exceptions (Barrera, ect) but a guy like that, as great an athlete as he is, isn't going to have the guts that a street guy like Ruiz jr has.
Rich people generally don't have much to be mad about. And, if they get mad, they hire lawyers. They don't fight. That's why they have nice teeth.
Never thought about it, always figured they wanted to be in there or had to be in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat notion will always be true.. OF course there are exceptions but generally, one who had a privileded lifetstyle growing up can't succeed inside the ring..Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHamer is too well educated and wealthy to be a boxer. He doesn't have the heart for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I know there are exceptions (Barrera, ect) but a guy like that, as great an athlete as he is, isn't going to have the guts that a street guy like Ruiz jr has.
Hamer is, obviously, not suited for boxing. Everyone knows how much they are willing to take or can take, so good-bye and good luck. Too bad he took someone's place on a PPV.
Oh and I'm not doubting that Hamer has the skill and has more guts than any of us.
I just think theres a certain point of exhaustion/pain/fear ect that EVERY boxer reaches at some point, whether it's in a fight, training, ect, where a guy who is wealthy independant from boxing will be more apt to justify quitting in his mind that a guy who grew up tough, knows what it's like to struggle and will do anything to escape his surroundings.
Let's be honest if Andy Ruiz had to "struggle" he wouldn't be such fucking fat ass and if all great boxers had to "struggle" Wlad and Vitali wouldn't be champions, they don't have to fight at all they could have had other careers very easily.
Well I said there were exceptions, but outside of the Klitschkos, Barrera, and a handful of others, how many priviledged guys rose to the top of the sport and stayed there for any real amount of time?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Being fat is no indication of having wealth. If anything, poorer people are more prone to being fat due to limited diet choices and having to eat low quality food.
You can laugh about how much Ruiz weighs but at least he doesn't weigh as much as Naseem Hamed.
He need to keep that weight going in a negative direction. He was 257 from a previous 245!
I like Ruiz. I think he puts combos together well & his hands are pretty fast for a heavy. The weight is a bit of an issue, if he can keep dedicated & busy I think he can be very competitive
Alright, then by that rational why aren't there Sally Struthers commercials featuring millions of obese Ethiopians? Eh buddy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
So don't give me that poor people are fat because they don't have options bs, because if he was "really poor" then the meals (whatever the nutritional content) would be few and far between.
Quick hands and can punch some but man if he gets in the ring with a power puncher might be in some deep shit or learn to get the fuck out of the way of a punch. That being said hes young and can improve the Klitschkos will retire at some point then its open game really don't know.