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thanks smash up. I missed the fight as I was on a flight to Dubai. I'm sat in the lounge and have just watched the fight you posted.
I've always though Froch was as tough as old boots, but he can be out boxed. I didn't expect him to get shaken up so badly in the first round!
Definitely a premature stoppage, but it did look as if Carl was grinding him down at that point. Ref should have let him go down to see if he would get up.
What surprises me is the criticism that some have for Froch here.
Why exactly?
The ref, I can understand.
Yeah dont get it either the stoppage was shit but hardly frochs fault, and I think he was goingn to grind groves down he had three more rounds to do it and I'm pretty sure he was gettin it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
thanks for posting this fight~!!! that is such bullshit!!! he wasn't even that hurt at all...
Groves deserves a rematch at least, and the boxing organization should fire that idiot ref for that hideous call.
Where was the standing 8 count...?
Just gets worse that stoppage everytime you watch it
Because there isnt such a thing. If you dont go down then its either a stoppage or not as far as I am aware. (doesnt change the fact the ref intervened too soon)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Solzier71Because there isnt such a thing. If you dont go down then its either a stoppage or not as far as I am aware. (doesnt change the fact the ref intervened too soon)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Not true...plenty of fights where one guy might buckle a bit or wobble back an lean on the ropes and get a standing 8 count.
Just like those other British referees from Hatton-Tszyu, Calzaghe-Manfredo, Foster was payed under the table with some side money..
Keep his facebook on tab from this point on.. IF he posts pictures of himself with hot bitches, u know he's spending that money..
Seriously check the rules, I do not think this was an option for the referee in this fight.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Solzier71Because there isnt such a thing. If you dont go down then its either a stoppage or not as far as I am aware. (doesnt change the fact the ref intervened too soon)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Not true...plenty of fights where one guy might buckle a bit or wobble back an lean on the ropes and get a standing 8 count.
I don't really think Groves was that hurt , he was just getting caught , that's boxing.
I think Groves could have easily recovered and fought on to win.
Rematch is all Froch can do to save face.
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Originally Posted by Solzier71Seriously check the rules, I do not think this was an option for the referee in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Solzier71Because there isnt such a thing. If you dont go down then its either a stoppage or not as far as I am aware. (doesnt change the fact the ref intervened too soon)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Not true...plenty of fights where one guy might buckle a bit or wobble back an lean on the ropes and get a standing 8 count.
I dont need to check the rules, maybe you should watch this around 1.30 , the guys buckled , wobbled , all over the ropes but doesnt go down and gets a standing 8 then goes on to win the fight ;)
Like i said ive seen the same in shitloads of fights over the years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1Cr8sVay4
Froch is IBF and WBA Champion.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Solzier71Seriously check the rules, I do not think this was an option for the referee in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Solzier71Because there isnt such a thing. If you dont go down then its either a stoppage or not as far as I am aware. (doesnt change the fact the ref intervened too soon)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Not true...plenty of fights where one guy might buckle a bit or wobble back an lean on the ropes and get a standing 8 count.
I dont need to check the rules, maybe you should watch this around 1.30 , the guys buckled , wobbled , all over the ropes but doesnt go down and gets a standing 8 then goes on to win the fight ;)
Like i said ive seen the same in shitloads of fights over the years
See rules below:
Boxing Regulations
Unified Championship Rules
· No standing 8 count
· No 3 Knockdown rule
· Fighter cannot be saved by the bell in any round
· 10 point must system is in effect
· Only the referee can stop the fight
· Fight stopped due to accidental head butt:
· Technical Draw up to and including the fourth round
· Goes to the scorecard after the fourth round
Boxing Organizations Rules
WBA
· No standing 8 count
· 3 Knockdown rule is in effect
· Fighter can be saved by the bell in the last round only
· 10 point must system is in effect
· Only the referee can stop the fight
· 3 judges score
· Accidental head butt:
· Technical Draw up to the end of the fourth round
· Goes to the scorecard after the fourth round
WBC
· No standing 8 count
· No 3 Knockdown rule
· Fighter can be saved by the bell in the last round only
· 10 point must system is in effect
· Only the referee can stop the fight
· 3 judges score
· Accidental head butt:
· Technical Draw up to the end of the fourth round
· Goes to the scorecard after the fourth round
IBF
· No standing 8 count
· No 3 Knockdown rule
· 10 point must system is in effect
· Only the referee can stop the fight
· Cannot be saved by the bell in any round
· Accidental head butt:
· No Decision up to and including the fifth round
· Goes to the scorecard after the fifth round
WBO
· No standing 8 count
· 3 Knockdown rule is in effect
· Fighter can be saved by the bell in the last round only
· 10 point must system is in effect
· Only the referee can stop the fight
· 3 judges score
· Accidental head butt:
· Technical Draw up to the end of the third round
· Goes to the scorecard after the third round
Ever heard of a no-standing-8-count rule?
Never mind. New guy beat me to it.
Good post btw.
And as you can see from the video you posted the ref ruled it a knock down as the ropes had held him up. That is not a standing 8 count.
This does not change the fact that the fight was stopped to early, but also rules out completely as far as I am concerned the standing 8 count option. The referee did not have it at his disposal.
it varies by organization. for years- and i don't know if this is still true- all the boxing publications came out against the rule. boxing purists have always opposed the rule- if the guy is too stunned to take a knee, stop the fight. The argument is that is like sentencing a guy to 1000 lashes, then, when, after 623, you realize it is about to kill him, you stop it, let him recover, then lay on the other 377.
Lets just have a rematch.
No standing 8 counts under IBF or WBA. Or WBO and WBC for that matter. But weirdly refs sometimes do it anyway.
Which is worse than not doing it, surely?
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So its not within the law but loads of refs do it anyway?
Confused:confused:
Yeah it is in some rules, but not the 4 main governing bodies. Why refs do it sometimes I don't know.Quote:
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Originally Posted by ryanman
So its not within the law but loads of refs do it anyway?
Confused:confused:
But you must have heard before nearly every fight - 'ten point must system, no standing 8 counts etc'
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Originally Posted by ryanmanYeah it is in some rules, but not the 4 main governing bodies. Why refs do it sometimes I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
So its not within the law but loads of refs do it anyway?
Confused:confused:
But you must have heard before nearly every fight - 'ten point must system, no standing 8 counts etc'
Of course but seems im not alone as to the ins and out of this rule. even the promoter and Groves trainer seem clueless :-X
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