Pac vs. Canelo, anyone?

With all the speculating regarding Pac and his future, I'm surprised no one has thrown Canelo's name into the ring. So what about Pac-Canelo? I was tempted to make a poll, but what's the use? Canelo was thoroughly schooled by Floyd, the first truly elite fighter he's ever faced. Would the same thing happen to him versus Pac? If it's the same Pac that thrashed Rios (yes.... regardless of how devoid of talent or brains the guy might be), then there's a high level of probability that Pac schools Canelo also. Which is probably why Canelo's camp probably wouldn't make too much noise about Canelo facing Pac. They've learned their lesson. They didn't build a 42-0 record by being careless about their pick of opponents.

Technical aspects? Obviously Pac has 3 times the hand speed and boxing skills of Canelo. Unlike Floyd, however, Pac would probably be looking to put some hurt on Canelo. Floyd was content with boxing circles around him, toying with him as a cat toys with a wounded lizard. Pac would probably engage more. Having gained more confidence after the Rios fight (remember that was his first fight back from the KTFO loss to Marquez).... a focused Pac would likely go more on the offensive. Canelo would probably try to hurt Pac to the body, much like MargaCheato did. But Pac negated those attempts with speed and boxing ability. Canelo might be slightly better at cutting off the ring than MargaCheato, but not enough to make successful against Pac.

It's all academic anyway, because a resurgent Pac would never be anywhere near Canelo's future opponents radar.

Nah I give Canelo much better chances vs Pac Man. Canelo wants Pacs sort of fight and Alvarez's chin and power and his own skills will win out in the end I think against current Pac.

I believe this will be one of the bloodiest battles of both careers though and would certainly be a very closely fought affair.

Saul just could not deal with the superior timing and counter punching of Floyd. But Pac's "puzzle" is not so difficult to solve.

Alvarez is the future of boxing within the scope of his natural weight range.

I would pay for it

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Nah I give Canelo much better chances vs Pac Man. Canelo wants Pacs sort of fight and Alvarez's chin and power and his own skills will win out in the end I think against current Pac.

I believe this will be one of the bloodiest battles of both careers though and would certainly be a very closely fought affair.

Saul just could not deal with the superior timing and counter punching of Floyd. But Pac's "puzzle" is not so difficult to solve.

Alvarez is the future of boxing within the scope of his natural weight range.

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It's your opinion, obviously, and it's to be respected. However, regarding the bolded part...

Saying Canelo couldn't deal with Floyd's timing and counter punching is a humongous understatement. The gap between the two was immense. You'd have to go back to, well..... to Marquez, to find an easier fight for Floyd. Given the buildup to the fight, this was extremely disappointing. So IMO, using Canelo's performance against Floyd as some kind of metering stick to predict his performance against Pac, is flawed.

You mention Canelo's chin. Who has really tagged Canelo with bad intentions? An over-the-hill Mosley? An undersized Josesito? The chess-playing Floyd? No one. I'd say Canelo's chin is largely untested.

Well you might say his chin hasn't been tested against the kind of one shot KO power that big punchers throw, fair call. I think he has shown he can tolerate a great accumulation of shots though.

Yes he was thoroughly thrashed by Floyd, that's given and it was a massive disappointment. I was most disappointed. I had Mayweather to win obviously but I thought it'd be closer than that and I was hoping for an upset that never could have come.

But only slight edges in timing and accuracy can make all the difference as it clearly did, we are talking split seconds in reactions for Mayweather to beat Canelo to the punch every time and just because Floyd made Saul look stupid does not necessarily mean Manny would enjoy similar lopsided success.

Manny's strengths are his handspeed which although comparable to Floyd's is more about his rapid flurries and than well placed and perfectly timed fast shots. He has edge in power too over Floyd but again I thinkl Saul is better equipped to deal with the type of quickness Manny brings to the table rather than Floyd.

Either way I think this fight would be great scrap and would be a great win for either fighter!

Yea its an intriguing matchup.. btw, cotto is facing martinez in june. He's too scared of Canelo even with a 10 million dollar payday on the line.

Pac would fancy this fight I think..

I'd love to see that fight, it would tell us more about both fighters. Everyone wants to know if Manny deserves a shoot at Floyd, the results should tell us. IMO

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Yea its an intriguing matchup.. btw, cotto is facing martinez in june. He's too scared of Canelo even with a 10 million dollar payday on the line.

Pac would fancy this fight I think..

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LOL...... us true fans deal in facts, not fiction or boyhood "wet dreams". Canelo is a young pup..... Cotto is a sure-fire HOF'er with his place already prepared and dusted off. He calls the shots..... not Canelo. If Cotto feels fighting Martinez will do more for his legacy than fighting the Canelo who was just schooled by Floyd..... it's his call. Call it "too scared" or whatever you and VD want. It's Cotto in the driver's seat for the time being.

Anythings possible but I'm not sure Alvarez will be looking to venture a 'catchweight' again and Manny is pretty maxed out at 147. These guys are cash cows but Alvarez has to do something impressive and formidable off a schooling before I can see a Manny who is looking into the career sunset wanting to follow in Mayweathers shadow and give Alvarez the time of day.

What, 7 more lbs for Manny to make 154?

That's only like 2 more courses of roids... Manny should piss that in (pun intended) in no time hehe :cool:

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Nah I give Canelo much better chances vs Pac Man. Canelo wants Pacs sort of fight and Alvarez's chin and power and his own skills will win out in the end I think against current Pac.

I believe this will be one of the bloodiest battles of both careers though and would certainly be a very closely fought affair.

Saul just could not deal with the superior timing and counter punching of Floyd. But Pac's "puzzle" is not so difficult to solve.

Alvarez is the future of boxing within the scope of his natural weight range.

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Canelo is a counter-puncher by pure nature. And we all know how Pac fares when faced with someone that can counter-punch.

This is why Canelo lost almost all of those rounds vs. Floyd. Floyd didn't take the fight to him, Canelo had to be the aggressor and initiate the action. This was not Canelo's strong suit, so he was the one being counter-punched than the one doing the counter-punching.

Thus ends the reading. Thanks be to the Lord.
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Pac's days at light middle are over he is a small welterweight and will stay at that weight and not risk taking on bigger fighters at this stage of his career. He will rematch with Bradley, Marquez and other top rank fighters.

Yeah I don't think Canelo and Manny will get it on really because of weight.

If you want to see a young up and comer take on Manny and see how they fare, I think it should be Adrien Broner.

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Yea its an intriguing matchup.. btw, cotto is facing martinez in june. He's too scared of Canelo even with a 10 million dollar payday on the line.

Pac would fancy this fight I think..

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LOL...... us true fans deal in facts, not fiction or boyhood "wet dreams". Canelo is a young pup..... Cotto is a sure-fire HOF'er with his place already prepared and dusted off. He calls the shots..... not Canelo. If Cotto feels fighting Martinez will do more for his legacy than fighting the Canelo who was just schooled by Floyd..... it's his call. Call it "too scared" or whatever you and VD want. It's Cotto in the driver's seat for the time being.

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" driver's seat " lol... canelo puts more asses in the seats and brings more money to the table so who is really the boss between the two?

Cotto can get 10 mill for canelo, instead, he's leaning towards martinez for half of that... sounds like dumb business decision or straight up fear.. I think it's the latter

Cotto had his time but his days are all but over bruh and he sure dont have any upperhand over canelo in the negotiating table or inside the ring..

Floyd-cotto sold how many PPVs compared to Floyd-Canelo ?

There ya go ;)

Martinez is even more dangerous than Canelo, if true Cotto's doing what Mayweather (the man you call a cherry picker) wouldn't, which is fight the Lineal Middleweight Champion of the world, your mouth should taste of rubber with how much you stick your own foot in it

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Martinez is even more dangerous than Canelo, if true Cotto's doing what Mayweather (the man you call a cherry picker) wouldn't, which is fight the Lineal Middleweight Champion of the world, your mouth should taste of rubber with how much you stick your own foot in it

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Prime martinez is a lot more dangerous than canelo and cotto would get nothing but praise for fighting him but circumstances has changed. Martinez had multiple knee surgeries and he's been inactive. That spells bad sign especially at his age and for someone who relies so much on mobility..

Cotto is facing him because he views this as an easier fight combined with the fact that its for the MW title.. but facing a near crippled man? Rubbishh

Wsup with cotto fighting all these handicaps.. first he tries to fight a one eyed man margo at catchweight, and now he's trying to sneak his way to a MW title by fighting a vulnerable old champ..

Why not face a young canelo forshitload of money? That fight brings him both credibility and money

Lets say cotto wins the MW title... would he unify against the likes of quillin and GGG? I bet u he wont..

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Floyd-cotto sold how many PPVs compared to Floyd-Canelo ?

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Which turned out to be the better fight?
You don't always get what you pay for. ;)

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Floyd-cotto sold how many PPVs compared to Floyd-Canelo ?

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Which turned out to be the better fight?
You don't always get what you pay for. ;)

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Cotto fight was alot more exciting but that's beside the point..

Canelo sold hella lot more cuz he's the bigger draw... so who is the boss of cotto? Canelo..

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Martinez is even more dangerous than Canelo, if true Cotto's doing what Mayweather (the man you call a cherry picker) wouldn't, which is fight the Lineal Middleweight Champion of the world, your mouth should taste of rubber with how much you stick your own foot in it

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Prime martinez is a lot more dangerous than canelo and cotto would get nothing but praise for fighting him but circumstances has changed. Martinez had multiple knee surgeries and he's been inactive. That spells bad sign especially at his age and for someone who relies so much on mobility..

Cotto is facing him because he views this as an easier fight combined with the fact that its for the MW title.. but facing a near crippled man? Rubbishh

Wsup with cotto fighting all these handicaps.. first he tries to fight a one eyed man margo at catchweight, and now he's trying to sneak his way to a MW title by fighting a vulnerable old champ..

Why not face a young canelo forshitload of money? That fight brings him both credibility and money

Lets say cotto wins the MW title... would he unify against the likes of quillin and GGG? I bet u he wont..

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No but if he beats Martinez it could set up a big fight v Canelo at MW and being the belt holder might allow him some say in fight terms. I actually think he has a better chance of beating Canelo then Martinez even now. I just don't rate Canelo that highly at all. He probably beats Cotto now but I think a prime Cotto beats a current Canelo. I have a feeling Caneloos beat is still to come though at a higher weight

I think Manny is a bit too small for Canelo but mercifully his hand and foot speed will help him win the fight. That being said I think he needs 1 or 2 more fights to see how he really is holding up. He's an old 32. He wars and climbing in weight takes its toll on you.