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Time for old man vitali too go
If he does no bullshit mandatory with Stiverne
8 man tournament 2 fights on one night two fights on another.
Have a 24/7 type show for each event or episode for each fighter brackets
MSG
Adamek vs Stiverne
Vs winner of
Jennings vs wilder
In the Uk
Tyson fury vs Arreola a lot of shit talking here
Vs
Perez vs Pulev only guy I threw in not ranked in the WBC
My prediction wilder vs Perez final
Wilder the king wins the belt brings it home
Ummm....no Wlad?
naa id rather it be goodQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Pulev v Wilder final i reckon
id say in the bottom half of the draw Perez could be the worst
Humph!?!? No Haye, Stiverne or Wald.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44naa id rather it be goodQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Pulev v Wilder final i reckon
id say in the bottom half of the draw Perez could be the worst
You are going to have big guys trying to twist your head off!
Why not have all the belts unified? I mean that's one (of the many :rolleyes: ) things posters always complain about. Put Wlad in the tournament or just have him fight the winner of the tournament.
Also for what it's worth I think the better style matchups would be
Stiverne vs Wilder
Adamek vs Jennings
Arreola vs Fury would be very good though
Two words. Jose Sulaiman. They guy has nightmares over an undisputed champion or even the unification of two with few exceptions. Its part of his admitted mandate not to share his champion with another tin pot. He will ensure this by excluding Wlad in any tourney for his belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
There is a real chance at an undisputed champion at 175 also but I'd wager he sticks his paws into that also at some point.
Four man tournament would be the only way to legitamise having a WBC belt.
8 man would be to difficult to organise.
Stiverne will keep twiddling his thumbs until Vitali officially retires, which might not be until September, is there fan pressure to strip Vitali, so Stiverne can have a match vs Wilder to become Champion.
Not so much considering Wilder's lack of opposition.
Stiverne's rightful stubbornness to not fight until he gets his mandatory does not do him any favours.
I think if Fury can get his head back and focus he could win and hold the belt, but I have a feeling the Haye fiasco may have messed with his head and he may have regressed backwards.
I am thinking Arreola or Stiverne. Proven fighters.
I think a rematch between those two would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
How is Arreola a prove fighter? While guys like Ali, Fraizer and Foreman were bums?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Because they are modern heavyweights and have the size and weight and the latest technological advances. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHow is Arreola a prove fighter? While guys like Ali, Fraizer and Foreman were bums?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The WBC titleholder will have no credibility until he beats Wlad.
Stiverne-Arreola II. Winner fights WladKlit. Wilder fight Jennings or Perez :cool:
The WBC has mandatory challengers.... they should give the 1 and 2 guys a chance to fight for it.
Nobody wants see wlad he's great but he has enough belts lets see exciting matchups a guy like Tyson fury or wilder could bring big hype to the hw division.
Now ppl it's WBC belt I went off WBC belts
Picture after a 24/7 type show on each fight adamek vs Stiverne in New York polish and Canadian fans pumping the place up wilder aka next big thing vs Jennings.
In the uk
Fury in the other bracket talking trash
Picture
Wilder edging out fury in a knock down drag out battle hw title fight in MSG the Irish Fahs going crazy.
Wilder giving fury the rematch the world is going crazy over new American champ with 31 Koes built like a truck having a rematch with fury or fighting haye for WBC title in wembley stadium. The Brits thirsting for a hw champ.
Picture wilder vs Arreola after a 24/7 show in the staples center same place Arreola got smashed wilder giving him the same beating.
There is great matchups at hw we need a big belt on the line.
Seems dodgy VitaKlit has been given so long an extension :-\ what's the pay-off for the WBC? Whose wetting their sweaty little palms :confused:
If Stiverne's legal troubles keep him out then it should be Arreola-Wilder for the belt
Because he's fought REAL HW's and REAL live-body opponents. Frazier didn't. Foreman didn't. Ali did sure, but Ali never fought anybody as dangerous as Arreola, except Foreman himself which was not representative.Quote:
How is Arreola a prove fighter? While guys like Ali, Fraizer and Foreman were bums?
How do you think Frazier and Norton would do against Arreola? We are taking about first round knock outs here. You put 2 glass jawed punch weak guys, one of them lighter than anybody Arreola has ever KO'd before up against a skilled, aggressive, 6'4" 230-340lb power & combination puncher and expect them to prevail?
My advice is if you want to argue past warriors BS is do it on my thread! Those guys are nothing! I can't even watch their fights without falling asleep!
You said it! Christobal has power, chin, aggression and size like George, except Arreola also has speed and skills that Foreman didn't!Quote:
Because they are modern heavyweights and have the size and weight and the latest technological advances.
Norton was smaller than Chris, he had skills too but no punch and no chin.
Frazier was a midget compared to Chris and had no skills, no punch or no chin!
He just pulled a Foreman vs Frazier on Seth Mitchell, did you guys miss that?
I wonder is Joe Roman would challenge Arreola to the title shot today? LOL
Adamek outboxed a fat Arreleo so Ali should be able to, Vitali stopped him so Foreman would be able to which is not bad for a shoe shiner and limited brawler. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Seth Mitchell is a footballer with no chin and very limited boxing skills. I dont see the comparison to Foreman v Fraizer. Arreola isnt that fast or skilled, hence his beating by Stiverne. He is tough and strong thats all. And thats all you need nowadays to be a contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Yeah I agree Mitchell was a footballer and all that but he was more dangerous than Joe Fraizer. He had more than a 1 punch repertoire! Your comparison was as valid as mine ok fine..
The way I see it though is if Ali struggled to handle an opponent like Frazier or Spinks or Norton then he would go down in the 1st round against the rushing Arreola. Ali is a runner, he does not fight like Adamek. Running away from Arreola only gives him momentum. And he is a much more skilful boxer than George Foreman.
I could be wrong, your comparisons might be the right ones but I'd be sceptical here.
Ali is not a runner he would beat Arreleo just like Adamek did.
Then how come he could not handle Frazier then? A VERY poor mans Arreola!
Ok so let's take a look at Joe Frazier's career at a glance..
Frazier was blind on left eye his entire professional career (after a training accident 1964) ("The pirate of the 4 corners of the world"). He would pass medical exams by covering his left eye and then switch his arm to cover his left eye AGAIN. Such a handicap as Frazier wouldn't be allowed to box nowadays.
Height: 5'11'.5" (BOTTOM-2 of Wladimir Klitschko's opponents)
Started as a cruiser 197 lbs. Median weight 204 lbs. Klitschko NOT ONCE fought anyone as light as that.
Median weight of Frazier's KO'victim: 197 lbs (cruiser)
Career record (all fights): 32-4 (not too impressive)
Career record real heavyweight fights 200×2 lbs: 13-4 (pathetic)
Career record real superheavyweight fights 215×2 lbs: 1-2 (non-existent)
That would be Frazier's real superheavyweight experience when facing Klitschko. Wladimir Klitschko faced 7 opponents that had so little 215+ experience (at the very beginning of his career) and he KO'ed them all within 4 rounds.
Frazier ducked/never fought some of the better+hard punching boxers of his time like Sonny Liston, Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton, Cleveland Williams.
That's Frazier, the fighting machine! The one who dealt Ali his first and comprehensive career loss. And your telling me what would amount to a virtual tomato can today could do this to Ali but Chris Arreola, a menacing top contender today could not? 6 fight green and career bum cruiserweight Leon Spinks could, but Arreola could not? I'm not convinced at all!
I think, pretty reasonably with careful assessment, Arreola KO Ali. 60's version quick, 70's version a more slow painful death!
I like Arreola. Maybe Stiverne will get him the second time too but I hope Chris gets revenge. As for you bringing up the past warriors again, forget Klitschko, Chris would give them all they could handle.
Arreleo is fat, Ali is fit get your facts right.