Barker, Macklin, Murray and Lee
v Benn, Eubanks, Watson and Collins
Combinations that would make the best fights and who would come out on top?
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Barker, Macklin, Murray and Lee
v Benn, Eubanks, Watson and Collins
Combinations that would make the best fights and who would come out on top?
Its very easy to look at the Benn v Eubank era through rose tinted spectacles and then dismiss the fighters we have produced in the current era as sub-standard and nowhere near the same level-and that would be correct to do so ;)
Watched the 4 of them on sky gloves off and the fact that they have fought abroad and world class fighters like Sergio and GGG goes in their favour as ours did not take on Jones and Toney but they are not as good and should have fought each other by now. Think it will happen 2014.
All 4 of old beat any of the 4 of new. Barker and Macklin imo got far too hyped. Neither are/were that good. Lee was never hyped that much but I always thought he could have been the best of the 4. His defense is just so poor though. Murray looks the best and not hyped as much as the other 2. Hes the only one I give a chance of beating the o;d timers.
As for fighting next year i still dont see it happen. Macklin v Lee will likely happen but not sure this year.
Of that lot, old school.
Old generation no questions asked. Dude, murray and those guys are not even elite.. They belong on ESPN.
I'd give Barker, Murray, Macklin and Lee a great chance against Benn... If they fought him on the same night at the same time. Good night.
as someone has already touch on, its very easy to look back on yesteryear with a nostalgic eye and should how good it was back then
like the leonard, hagler, hearns, duran how amazing they were, but i dont think they are any better than some of the fighters we have had around that weight over the last 10 years, it was just the rivalries and the personalities all at the same time that made it look all that much better
then ali being the best HW of all time, he was certainly the best HW for television of all time
the benn eubank era was a better quality than the 4 we have today tho mind, the 4 we have today are good conenders, all would make a good defence for the champs where as benn, eubank, watson and collins were genuine world class fighters
I think Collins was the weakest of the 4 and a fight with "irish man" Macklin would be a barnstormer.
Definitely.. Today's fighters can beat Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
perhaps but i think collins was a bit underrated because he came around at the right time in terms of catching benn and eubankQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaDefinitely.. Today's fighters can beat Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
i think he would have given them a fight at any stage and i dont think any of todays 4 are as good
they would probably have the best chance against collins because collins wasnt a big puncher
I don't feel that boxing has gotten much better since the 80's really i mean the weight class that really changes are the heavies because there huge now. Saying that those old timers from Ali's era came back in 90's probably the best era for me and did a hell of a job so maybe its not much better.
Thing is, the Eubanks and Benns wouldnt get wiped out by Sturm. They travelled the world and actually beat top fighters. Fighting and getting stopped by Sturm and Martinez isnt the same as fighting and beateing Sturm and Martinez. Any fighter could lose to them.
Benn and Eubank would wipe the floor with Barker, Macklin and Murray. Could you see any of them coming back from the brink of defeat to wipe out Watson, or travelling to Germany to give Graciano Rocchigiani his first loss, or battling back against the hardest puncher pound for pound, McClellan, smashing Barkley inside a round, moving up to cruiser and dropping, outboxing Carl Thompson the only man to beat Haye at Cruiser?
Its not just looking back with rose tinted glasses, those fighters were top class!
Not only would the old gen beat the new gen in a Brit on Brit contest but the 4 of them would be at the top of the food chain against anyone today from 160 to 168 regardless of nationality. Actually the more I think about it, Ward is probably the only exception. Outside of Collins/Watson the other admirable thing is that they all fought each other. They all would have been a handful for Jones also. Especially Eubanks imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I actually thing Benn would have given more problems to Jones. Roy would have simply out boxed Chris and not taken any risks. Eubanks could be out boxed and was vulnerable to body shots which is why I think Mike McCallum would have stopped Chris.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNot only would the old gen beat the new gen in a Brit on Brit contest but the 4 of them would be at the top of the food chain against anyone today from 160 to 168 regardless of nationality. Actually the more I think about it, Ward is probably the only exception. Outside of Collins/Watson the other admirable thing is that they all fought each other. They all would have been a handful for Jones also. Especially Eubanks imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
i dont think anyone would have stopped chris in his pompQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI actually thing Benn would have given more problems to Jones. Roy would have simply out boxed Chris and not taken any risks. Eubanks could be out boxed and was vulnerable to body shots which is why I think Mike McCallum would have stopped Chris.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNot only would the old gen beat the new gen in a Brit on Brit contest but the 4 of them would be at the top of the food chain against anyone today from 160 to 168 regardless of nationality. Actually the more I think about it, Ward is probably the only exception. Outside of Collins/Watson the other admirable thing is that they all fought each other. They all would have been a handful for Jones also. Especially Eubanks imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Not only did he inow how to ride shots and take the sting out, he had a fucking fantastic chin if he was caught clean and then when he was hurt he had that animal in him that would fight back harder and not just put his gloves up around his face like Groves or Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont think anyone would have stopped chris in his pompQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI actually thing Benn would have given more problems to Jones. Roy would have simply out boxed Chris and not taken any risks. Eubanks could be out boxed and was vulnerable to body shots which is why I think Mike McCallum would have stopped Chris.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNot only would the old gen beat the new gen in a Brit on Brit contest but the 4 of them would be at the top of the food chain against anyone today from 160 to 168 regardless of nationality. Actually the more I think about it, Ward is probably the only exception. Outside of Collins/Watson the other admirable thing is that they all fought each other. They all would have been a handful for Jones also. Especially Eubanks imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It was unfortunate that the Watson thing happened. It made Chris think too much about the consequences and softened him a bit. Rather than go for a KO, he would coast purposefully to go to points amd it would often lead to draws.
I think a lot of knockouts happen because fighters are tired too, eubank didnt ever expend any uneccessary energy and it never got to the point where punches would do the kind of damamge to KO him due to fatigueQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
all this meant he was almost unknockoutable by head punches, the only time he showed any kind of weakness was to body shots, but you couldnt exactly call this a weekness
he went down to watson from a body shot, and collins but the collins one was more due to balance as i remember it, its been a while since i have seen any eubank fights so you could probably correct me but i dont remember any other body shots that put him down.
I said it on this forum a few years ago and its sort of unrelated but there was a couple of knockdowns, maybe only one that Eubank should have been awarded in the Collins rematch, it was a genuine knockdown and Collins bluffed the ref running over to wipe his gloves on the refs shirt. The knockdown awarded to Collins was bullshit, you could see Eubank lost his balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I think a lot of knockouts happen because fighters are tired too, eubank didnt ever expend any uneccessary energy and it never got to the point where punches would do the kind of damamge to KO him due to fatigueQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
all this meant he was almost unknockoutable by head punches, the only time he showed any kind of weakness was to body shots, but you couldnt exactly call this a weekness
he went down to watson from a body shot, and collins but the collins one was more due to balance as i remember it, its been a while since i have seen any eubank fights so you could probably correct me but i dont remember any other body shots that put him down.
Also, was the knockdown of Collins in the 10th actually scored in the original fight?
I agree Eubanks chin is up there with Hagler and La Motta. Anyone who carries his hands that low and take the full blooded shot from Benn and not wobble must have an exceptional chin.
Howvere even Benn hurt him with a body shot in that fight. Mike Mcallum that stopped Watson could have done the same to Chris with body shots. Either way he would have been out boxed by him.