Terry Norris " Mayweather with all that slapping and running "

" man, we would have torn them apart " says Norris..

He claims the guys from his era would eat floyd and pac alive..

Thoughts?

Word up. Terry Norris, 154 lbs, faster of foot and hand than Floyd, more guts, terrific power, and not scared to turn a fight rough-and-tough in the trenches style...

Norris, KO inside 3 of Floyd, Floyd would've ducked him just as he has the top guys for 10 years (Hatton exception).

Pacquiao could've hung with those guys in the early 80s and the early 90s though...

I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

Fighters always say this.. All that slapping probably beats "all that getting KO'ed and DQed and being shot by 30 years old", although I think he would have been able to beat Floyd at 154 in a hypothetical, thats a really hard fight for Mayweather. Oscar in his day would have KO'ed Norris at 154 imo. Think Manny was probably just to small as well, but Norris was chinny and left himself wide open at times. He'd lunge in a lot, was often way off balance if he didn't land. Also he tended to keep his left pretty low without rolling anything and wasn't hard to nail over the top with rights. Great boxer puncher though.

This could be one of those fights where the cute slick boxer gets beat to the punch and bullied by the super aggressive offensive machine. Norris had blinding hand speed threw some scary ass combinations.

Here's some of the top guys:

Terry Norris’ era. circa 1991 to mid-1990s.
Lightweight
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Rafael Ruelas
Jorge Paez
Sharmba Mitchell
Joe Gamache
Oscar De La Hoya
Stevie Johnston
Shane Mosley

Light-Welter
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Kostya Tszyu
Frankie Randall
Charles Murray
Greg Haugen

Welter
James Buddy McGirt
Meldrick Taylor
Simon Brown
Felix Tito Trinidad
Maurice Blocker
Yory Boy Campas
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr

Light-Middle
Terry Norris
Vinny Pazienza
John David Jackson
Verno Philips
Vincent Pettway
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Bronco McCart

For sure, Norris was a scary offensive fighter. Mind you he had a long frame, began his career at 154 and stayed there as far as I know, he'd make Floyd or Manny look tiny in the ring. If you wanted to take either of those two guys at 130 or 35 they were better than he was imo. I think Mayweather would have a really easy time landing on Norris at any weight but probably just couldn't hurt him.

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Here's some of the top guys:

Terry Norris’ era. circa 1991 to mid-1990s.
Lightweight
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Rafael Ruelas
Jorge Paez
Sharmba Mitchell
Joe Gamache
Oscar De La Hoya
Stevie Johnston
Shane Mosley

Light-Welter
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Kostya Tszyu
Frankie Randall
Charles Murray
Greg Haugen

Welter
James Buddy McGirt
Meldrick Taylor
Simon Brown
Felix Tito Trinidad
Maurice Blocker
Yory Boy Campas
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr

Light-Middle
Terry Norris
Vinny Pazienza
John David Jackson
Verno Philips
Vincent Pettway
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Bronco McCart

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Pretty much the murderers row compared to today's era..

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Oscar in his day would have KO'ed Norris at 154 imo.

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NO WAY!

That fight didn't happen because Bob Arum (and everyone else in Boxing) knew the cash-cow would have been demolished by Norris...

I remember Norris demolishing Meldrick Taylor.

After the fight, Norris commenting that he knew Taylor would come with that "pitty-pat" stuff and he'd destroy him...

I don't think so. Norris would have never taken many left hooks from Oscar, but either way the golden boy was just making the move up from lightweight as Norris was pretty much on his way out. Was that fight ever seriously talked about?

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Pretty much the murderers row compared to today's era..

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There's been some terrific fighters in recent years.
The top guys hold up.
The problem I see is Floyd ducked most of them when they were at their best, and stacked the cards against them in every conceivable way when he finally did pick the time to box them. It used to be that top fighters wanted to fight a man at his very best because they wanted those bragging rights and didn't want there to be any excuses the man could make for losing. Floyd made it possible that every guy he boxed in the last decade has a few valid excuses why they lost...

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think so.

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Of course you don't think so; you're an idiot!

Of course the fight was talked about!

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I don't think so.

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Of course you don't think so; you're an idiot!

Of course the fight was talked about!

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Because I disagree with a troll now and then? Settle down. De La hoya had just moved up to welterweight by the time Norris was losing his last couple fights and retired, all that happened in the same year. It was well before I watched boxing though, forgive me for not realizing that was strangely in the works.

Mayweather squandered alot of his momentum and chance to make things more definitive and 'what ifs' like this clearer. He came back against Marquez like he was taking a shortcut back to "p4p" relevance when all it proved was he could beat a superb lightweight at the time and blow a catchweight agreement to do it. On one hand, if a fossilized Mosley has you stunned and shook off one right hand then the speed and power of a natural and bigger guy like Norris would make that ring into a phonebooth quickly...Mayweather would be wishing it was on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier instead. Too strong, too accurate and a confident fresh boxer puncher type who could be rough on the inside. On the other hand...Norris wasn't exactly fighting a murders row himself and could be and often was stunned and hurt by inferior foes. Terry was a short circuit type guy...one minute he is a boxing masterpiece, just fluid and a thing of beauty...all of the sudden he could be clipped ugly by everything from young green boxers to wild swinging journeymen to wise old vets. At the relevant weight..not that catchweight nonsense even though he and Taylor fought catchweight...Norris gets to Mayweather me thinks.

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It was well before I watched boxing though, forgive me...

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I forgive you....



...just don't let it happen again.:doggy:

Yes Floyd had no chance against a guy koed by Simon Brown , or outpointed by Derrick Kelly, :vd:

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think so. Norris would have never taken many left hooks from Oscar, but either way the golden boy was just making the move up from lightweight as Norris was pretty much on his way out. Was that fight ever seriously talked about?

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It was actually set to happen. But Norris all of a sudden got old in the middle of the Keith Mullings fight and lost

There will be some more old boxers from back in whatever golden era bringing up so more stories on how they would whop floyd.

This time though it will be a few more weight classes higher and the boxer had blown all his money.

Alot of it is jealousy.
Has to be. The highest paid sports star on earth just made the next mexican sensation in a higher weight class look like an old sparring partner..

You know what back when i was around 29 years old and 210lbs i would whop floyd..yea, he would just be running and ducking with his stupid shoulder roll and his non accurate punching and ineffective check hooks..yea, he would be so easy!

Utter bollocks.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Here's some of the top guys:

Terry Norris’ era. circa 1991 to mid-1990s.
Lightweight
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Rafael Ruelas
Jorge Paez
Sharmba Mitchell
Joe Gamache
Oscar De La Hoya
Stevie Johnston
Shane Mosley

Light-Welter
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Kostya Tszyu
Frankie Randall
Charles Murray
Greg Haugen

Welter
James Buddy McGirt
Meldrick Taylor
Simon Brown
Felix Tito Trinidad
Maurice Blocker
Yory Boy Campas
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr

Light-Middle
Terry Norris
Vinny Pazienza
John David Jackson
Verno Philips
Vincent Pettway
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Bronco McCart

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You forgot Julian Jackson and G-Man McClellan...

First off, lets point out the obvious that Floyd isn't really a 154lber. He's only fought there a few times and even then he never broke 150lbs. Terry and the guys he's talking about were all career 154-160 guys.

Terry Norris was a good fighter in his day, but he's not even close to being in the same league as Floyd. Terry was ultra talented but never had the FOCUS, discipline, or consistency IMO to really maximize his potential.

Terry Norris routinely fought to the level of his opposition and lost to guys who probably had no business in the ring with him. Even in winning, he let a lot of guys get to him and make fights way closer than they needed to be.

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Yes Floyd had no chance against a guy koed by Simon Brown , or outpointed by Derrick Kelly, :vd:

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What are you on about, Simon Brown was a fantastic fighter!
Damn hard head, hard punch, stamina.
Two years before the Norris fight, Brown rated as the best welter in the world, but he was a BIG strong physical welter unlike Floyd, Brown reduced from 175 lbs to make 147.
When he lost the Welter title to McGirt, Brown beginning to have trouble making 147 was a bit of a factor there. Later, at 154 and even 160, Brown was quite destructive after the McGirt loss.

And Derrick Kelly, for $#!t's sake, bringing up early losses when a guy's a new 1 year pro?
In that era, plenty of guys had a couple of early losses. Each fight was supposed to be a test for a young prospect, to develop them, they weren't protected the way many are nowadays.

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You forgot Julian Jackson and G-Man McClellan...

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No, I didn't forget, they were Middleweight Champions. Two of the most destructive hitters you'll ever see.

Jackson had been 154 in the 80s, but was 160 in the early to mid 90s which we're discussing, and by mid 90s, Julian was finished as a top guy.

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But Norris all of a sudden got old in the middle of the Keith Mullings fight and lost

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Yep, that is true.
Norris was a case of a guy who showed up one night and just didn't have it anymore.

Some fighters face the slow erosion of their talents over several years; others have it happen overnight and it's gone...

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

In that era, plenty of guys had a couple of early losses. Each fight was supposed to be a test for a young prospect, to develop them, they weren't protected the way many are nowadays.

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I just want to clarify as to whether or not you're suggesting that promoters only started protecting guys after the early 90s?

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I just want to clarify as to whether or not you're suggesting that promoters only started protecting guys after the early 90s?

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There have ALWAYS been protected fighters, but not to the extent that it's done now.
The result is some undeveloped fighters fighting for titles.
When the new Champ finally gets in deep against a serious opponent, they don't have the answers, they don't know how to adjust, they don't have the tools in their toolkit. That stuff used to be worked out while a guy was developing. It's why old, multi-dimensional dudes who came up the old way like Hopkins and Juan Manuel Marquez can outslick and out-think some of these current young, prime guys even though Hopkins and Marquez are way past their physical best...

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There will be some more old boxers from back in whatever golden era bringing up so more stories on how they would whop floyd.

This time though it will be a few more weight classes higher and the boxer had blown all his money.

Alot of it is jealousy.
Has to be. The highest paid sports star on earth just made the next mexican sensation in a higher weight class look like an old sparring partner..

You know what back when i was around 29 years old and 210lbs i would whop floyd..yea, he would just be running and ducking with his stupid shoulder roll and his non accurate punching and ineffective check hooks..yea, he would be so easy!

Utter bollocks.

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And Norris giving his earned opine is different from Mayweather popping off about Robinson or Ali how? Or a Mayweather who literally just carried a Baldo ffs and heard the boos telling Leonard to his face 'you wouldn't even be in the top 10 of my era'...an utter bullshit thing to say. Norris has absolutely nothing to be 'jealous' of in a Mayweather and give Floyd enough time of beating up bebe mamas and tax issues, he'll do well to not blow his money also. Every generation will compare to past or present, its done in all sports. As for Alvarez, I'll spot you the Mexican part...now sensation? Eh.

Terry Norris, Mike McCallum and Tommy Hearns would have destroyed Floyd at light middle, no one can argue different. These fighters were greats but Floyd is not a natural light middle so there is no shame in saying he would lose to them.

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Originally Posted by Master

Terry Norris, Mike McCallum and Tommy Hearns would have destroyed Floyd at light middle, no one can argue different. These fighters were greats but Floyd is not a natural light middle so there is no shame in saying he would lose to them.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying they would DESTROY Floyd. Floyd is still a great, effective fighter at 154.

I think Floyd beats Terry Norris at 154. Terry was good but I don't think he was as good as a lot of people think he was.

There have ALWAYS been protected fighters, but not to the extent that it's done now.
The result is some undeveloped fighters fighting for titles.
When the new Champ finally gets in deep against a serious opponent, they don't have the answers, they don't know how to adjust, they don't have the tools in their toolkit. That stuff used to be worked out while a guy was developing. It's why old, multi-dimensional dudes who came up the old way like Hopkins and Juan Manuel Marquez can outslick and out-think some of these current young, prime guys even though Hopkins and Marquez are way past their physical best...[/QUOTE]

If your theory were true all the old timers could still compete, not just Marquez and Hopkins. Hopkins and Marquez are smarter through experience but the are exceptions because they are exceptional.

To add further your point make no sense when discussing Floyd in the protected age, he was a champ in less than two years. He wasn't slow played, he was thrown into the fire.

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Originally Posted by Master

Terry Norris, Mike McCallum and Tommy Hearns would have destroyed Floyd at light middle, no one can argue different. These fighters were greats but Floyd is not a natural light middle so there is no shame in saying he would lose to them.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying they would DESTROY Floyd. Floyd is still a great, effective fighter at 154.

I think Floyd beats Terry Norris at 154. Terry was good but I don't think he was as good as a lot of people think he was.

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At his best he was an efficient machine, he would beat Floyd like he beat Meldrick Taylor. Terry had his problems but Floyd would not punch hard enough to cause him any problems.

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At his best he was an efficient machine, he would beat Floyd like he beat Meldrick Taylor. Terry had his problems but Floyd would not punch hard enough to cause him any problems.

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Come on now, you can't compare Floyd to Meldrick Taylor. And Meldrick was shot after the JCC fight, when he fought Norris. Meldrick was a quick guy with lightning hands, but he didn't have nearly the ring generalship or boxing IQ that Floyd had, even in his prime. Totally different animals.

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Originally Posted by imp

There will be some more old boxers from back in whatever golden era bringing up so more stories on how they would whop floyd.

This time though it will be a few more weight classes higher and the boxer had blown all his money.

Alot of it is jealousy.
Has to be. The highest paid sports star on earth just made the next mexican sensation in a higher weight class look like an old sparring partner..

You know what back when i was around 29 years old and 210lbs i would whop floyd..yea, he would just be running and ducking with his stupid shoulder roll and his non accurate punching and ineffective check hooks..yea, he would be so easy!

Utter bollocks.

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And Norris giving his earned opine is different from Mayweather popping off about Robinson or Ali how? Or a Mayweather who literally just carried a Baldo ffs and heard the boos telling Leonard to his face 'you wouldn't even be in the top 10 of my era'...an utter bullshit thing to say. Norris has absolutely nothing to be 'jealous' of in a Mayweather and give Floyd enough time of beating up bebe mamas and tax issues, he'll do well to not blow his money also. Every generation will compare to past or present, its done in all sports. As for Alvarez, I'll spot you the Mexican part...now sensation? Eh.

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Come on spicoli,

Canelo was being built up as the next supastar and many people inc writers were saying that floyd was going to duck him!

Yep, i see what your saying about each era always has something to say about another era and its just banter. I understand that.

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At his best he was an efficient machine, he would beat Floyd like he beat Meldrick Taylor. Terry had his problems but Floyd would not punch hard enough to cause him any problems.

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Come on now, you can't compare Floyd to Meldrick Taylor. And Meldrick was shot after the JCC fight, when he fought Norris. Meldrick was a quick guy with lightning hands, but he didn't have nearly the ring generalship or boxing IQ that Floyd had, even in his prime. Totally different animals.

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Not that different, both excellent smaller fighters and exceptional hand speed.

People don't remember Norris as he was, they remember him as they saw him.

He looked like he had great power but he only had a 55% KO rate.

He looked impossible to deal with but people beat him regularly before his title days, during his title days and after his title days.

He looks like a big guy but he only had a 68" reach.


He has a shot against most anyone ever but he could also lose to many people throughout 154s history

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People don't remember Norris as he was, they remember him as they saw him.

He looked like he had great power but he only had a 55% KO rate.

He looked impossible to deal with but people beat him regularly before his title days, during his title days and after his title days.

He looks like a big guy but he only had a 68" reach.


He has a shot against most anyone ever but he could also lose to many people throughout 154s history

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KO percentages are not always an indicator of one's punching power..

Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson have the exact same KO percentage but do u really believe these guys have equal punching power? One can argue that holt is one of the hardest punchers at 140 as he has true one punch knockout power in both hands..

There are many factors to take into account when gauging someones power.. level of opposition, style of opponents they faced, or in holt's case for instance, he was plagued by shoulder problems for the longest time so he couldnt throw punches with full extension..

TerryNorris was a thunderous puncher plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

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Bitch style?
YDKSABB

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I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

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Bitch style?
YDKSABB

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Not a bitch literally like you but a safety first style I should say..

Ydksab? Lol that belongs on esb where little boys like u fit right in..

Ur boxing knowledge is extremely low adam unless u can prove me wrong.

KO percentages are not always an indicator of one's punching power..

Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson have the exact same KO percentage but do u really believe these guys have equal punching power? One can argue that holt is one of the hardest punchers at 140 as he has true one punch knockout power in both hands..

There are many factors to take into account when gauging someones power.. level of opposition, style of opponents they faced, or in holt's case for instance, he was plagued by shoulder problems for the longest time so he couldnt throw punches with full extension..

TerryNorris was a thunderous puncher plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

Excuses. Truth is punching power is defined by your ability to deliver it. Only 55% of men fell.
I'm a Norris fan, always have been but I'm not going to pretend he was getting fools out of there with his power.