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Who would win???
mosely destroys cotto. too much hand speed with too much power.
I would say Cotto.. Mosley was never the brightest fighter out there as he wasn't capable of making adjustments, had no plan B, got frustrated etc...
He looked good in the first Oscar fight ... what else did he ever do?
Cotto beats any version of mosley..
Are we really saying Mosley was well past his prime when he fought Cotto? Considering what Mosley did to Margo afterwards I would say Mosley was still prime when they fought.
i agree with this, margo was one of his best winsQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
having said that mosley could well be cottos best win
It's kind of tricky to determine when Mosley's prime ended because he turned into a different fighter as he moved up in weight. One might argue that he fell in love with his power and started throwing one punch at a time but some could say that he changed his style because he lost a step due to age.
I think he was past his prime against Cotto but was still a formidable opponent.. A good win for cotto regardless.
And regarding Margarito.. Margo couldn't have been all there mentally after getting caught up and i believe he was tailor made for Mosley..
A prime juiced up Mosley wins pretty easy
On steroids Mosley. Without Cotto
No he wasn't.Quote:
Considering what Mosley did to Margo afterwards I would say Mosley was still prime when they fought.
When a top guy ain't what he used to be, there's a saying that all Great fighters have one last Great fight in them, and for a past it Mosely, the Margarito fight was his.
For $#!t's sake, before Margarito, Mosely was clearly outboxed by Mayorga until scoring the hail mary KO right near the final bell. Outboxed by Ricardo Mayorga, for $#!t's sake!!! Mosley was a bit past it when he fought Cotto.
Mosley wins.
Haha, every time Shane said he was going to win because he's fast and he hits hard I knew he would lose. I can't fathom how someone can be in the sport his entire life, be able to mimmick every style, and still have no clue how the sport works. Shane is impressively dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Prime for prime, Mosely was a bit refined for Cotto. Cotto would have to make it a dirty fight to stand a chance. Moselys done well over his career, but Vernon exposed jack moselys "power boxing" schtick for what it was. A shallow boxer/ puncher game plan that exposes the fighter to counters and has no plan for fighting off the back foot. Vernon always had moselys number too.
Shanes loses focus and has these mental blocks since those fights too. If you want him go life and death with someone. He gets this like tick where hes constantly trying to make friends (touching gloves, complaining to the ref) and he's not hearing his corners instructions because hes panicking inside and wishing he was somewhere else. He's already giving up mentally.
The question in can cotto put mosely in that that state. I personally dont feel cotto makes enough use of the jab and timing to panic mosely and gets cut up coming forward. Cotto takes a good punch but I see him getting cut to ribbons as he stalks mosely and tries to cut off the ring. He'll get tied up before he can do much damage on the inside. I think it might time more than one of those infamous cotto cup shots to put shane in panic mode, but who knows.
Cotto is one of my favorite fighters. But he caught Mosley at just the right time in his career. I think the Mosley who beat Oscar in there first fight beats Cotto.
Mosley at lightweight was awesome and if he fought a prime Cotto at light-welter he would have beat him in a classic. Shane was the better welterweight and light middle too.
I am not going into how great Shane was or wasn't...but there is absolutely no way Mosley was still in his prime when he fought Cotto or Margo. He still gave Cotto a very tough fight. As some others have mentioned...his prime was without question when he dominated lightweight (the only exception was his performance going up against Oscar...but the drug cloud hangs over that).
I hope none of u put Mosley on that ATG status cuz he sure aint.
All depends on what weight... Mosely has the punch and chin of a HW. If at Jr. Welter and Welter I would have to give the edge to Mosely. But if at Middle and Jr. Middle I would have to give the edge to Cotto...
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Mosley wins. Cotto is very good, but Mosley was great.
Cotto barely barely beat Mosely when he was getting past his prime.
Great as in ATG??Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Not quite. Great as in hall of famer.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaGreat as in ATG??Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
For me it goes:
Contender
Titlist
Champion
Great/Hall of famer
Legend/ ATG
GOAT/Roy Jones
I think you could argue Shane was an ATG at lightweight.
IMO,..Both were close enough to "Prime" when they fought,neither One was close to washed up......It was A Very Good close fight,and I thought Moseley won....But,...I did not feel like he would get the Dec....and he did not.....Cotto was A Virgineing Peurto Rican Superstar,...and Shane for all his talent`s,...simply was not ever going to be A Star...Great fight though,may go watch it again..!
He showed a lot of promise at 135 but failed to fight anybody to be regarded an ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think the Shane that jumped up to fight Oscar from 135 beats Cotto at 140 or 147. A 35 year old version came close but ran out of time. Had that fight been 15 I think Shane would have won it but that's here nor there. Cotto boxed beautifully in that fight with a marvelous controlling jab and had to many rounds in the bag for Shane to pull it out without a ko.
^^ What he said. Cotto boxed out of his skin in that fight, which both men were in very good form for imo. You got the sense that Mosley knew he had to be conservative with his punches though, if he was a bit fresher he could have come on earlier or perhaps even made the whole thing a fight, which Cotto was never going to win against him.
In the late 90s, Shane Mosley was a terrific Lightweight Champ.
There's always been lots of lightweights, none could compete with Mosley, he was leagues beyond them.
HBO used to put on these Double-Headers, a prime Roy Jones and a prime Shane Mosley on the same bill.
Larry Merchant said on one of those shows something about both these guys were like super-human, words to that effect. They both were amazing combinations of speed, power, reflexes, endurance.
Anyone trying to say Mosley was prime in the Margarito fight 10 years after those HBO double-headers is either an idiot or a young fan of Boxing...
Lean to Cotto. He was just able and proven to make more adjustments and I think he was the better all around boxer. Shane was a lightning at Light but atg..just don't see it.
A lot of respected posters are saying Cotto, am I missing something?
What weight was his peak? I am a Cotto fan but Shane was better in his prime.
the rematch tells all you need to know, seeing how that was a blatant robberyQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
on that note IMO it's not so black and white that Cotto would win, Mosely IMO was in his prime at 135, he was a beast, he had speed and power and didn't do that damn pokey fake jab as much, would have been a toss up really either Mosley by TKO or Cotto by UD
People think these two were both in their primes when they fought? Cotto is nine full years younger than Mosley!
Shane Mosley's prime was in the 1990s, when you still used a telephone line to connect to the Internet and MTV still showed music videos. He was something like 34-0 with 33 knockouts at lightweight, then jumped up two weight classes to fight the best welterweight in the world, and won.
The post-35 Shane Mosley that fought Cotto and all these other big names in the last five years is not even close to that guy.
I feel a prime Mosely would have whooped Floyd Mayweather soundly.... probably would have stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by uptoscratch
Never said which I picked, Mosley.
But Mosley isn't what peole reflect and see. Yes his record at lightweight was stirling. But his competition sas trash. First he padded his stats by fighting 6 years before getting a belt. Then hhe faught no great fighters while he had his belt.
Shane LOOKED phenomenal with his blinding speed and thudding power. He was a great front runner with those attributes. But give him issues and he had no answer. He was dumb. He is dumb. If what he was doing wasn't working he would just try it harder, faster. At no point would he ever have more than a punchers chance against Floyd because Floyd would always adjust and Shane simply was incapable.
There's a reason it took 6 years to get a belt.
There's a reason he lost his belts so quicky.
There's a reason he was B side. He wasn't as good as the flash suggested. Go watch the Forrest fight knowing what you know now about Shane. The announcers are fooled by the flash. He had no answer and the announcers were confused because this guy was unbeatable. We saw what was always there. Shane wasn't as good as he looked. Never was.
That is harsh on Shane. There are fighters where they have problems with certain styles and Vernon was that guy for Mosely. I remember a head clash before he got knocked down and the second fight was closer. Shane was a good fighter.
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Originally Posted by Master
I agree he was a damn good fighter. But he isn't as good as the flash suggests. People overrate fast punchers. We can see them beaten repeatedly and people still pick them.
Look at Tyson, dude was trash by the time he fought Lewis but it was really easy to get action in that no contest.
Shane is a great, he's just not as great as some think.
BTW while Shane did face terrible competition prior to his title fight(like making Wilder appear brave bad) he got it faster than the 6 years I suggested. Not sure how I remembered that wrong
Sugar Shane had the guts and testicular fortitude to fight the top prime fighters at their best... unlike Floyd's cherry-picking from 2003 till 2011. Hatton's the sole top prime guy that Floyd fought in that entire time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I agree he was a damn good fighter. But he isn't as good as the flash suggests. People overrate fast punchers. We can see them beaten repeatedly and people still pick them.
Look at Tyson, dude was trash by the time he fought Lewis but it was really easy to get action in that no contest.
Shane is a great, he's just not as great as some think.
BTW while Shane did face terrible competition prior to his title fight(like making Wilder appear brave bad) he got it faster than the 6 years I suggested. Not sure how I remembered that wrong
Probably shouldn't talk about Shanes testicals since they're probably shrunk from being a steroid cheat.
Bruh! Lol just like u came close to red repping me, I almost did the same for that comment. I dont know what you are smoking but holler at me when that high comes down.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI feel a prime Mosely would have whooped Floyd Mayweather soundly.... probably would have stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by uptoscratch
Mosley doesnt have enough ring iq to solve somebody like floyd.. Given that he's so quick and athletically gifted , he might find the target more often in his prime but it would take more than a few good punches to beat floyd..
Jesse James Leija and John John Molina were actually pretty good fighters. Philip Holiday and John Brown were decent. Nither one was trashQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Diego Corrales was not in his prime?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180Sugar Shane had the guts and testicular fortitude to fight the top prime fighters at their best... unlike Floyd's cherry-picking from 2003 till 2011. Hatton's the sole top prime guy that Floyd fought in that entire time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I agree he was a damn good fighter. But he isn't as good as the flash suggests. People overrate fast punchers. We can see them beaten repeatedly and people still pick them.
Look at Tyson, dude was trash by the time he fought Lewis but it was really easy to get action in that no contest.
Shane is a great, he's just not as great as some think.
BTW while Shane did face terrible competition prior to his title fight(like making Wilder appear brave bad) he got it faster than the 6 years I suggested. Not sure how I remembered that wrong