Mayweather “is just a coward, insecure and envy my accomplishments. I don’t like to bite his gimmicks and I just want to understand him, although it’s too much,”
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Mayweather “is just a coward, insecure and envy my accomplishments. I don’t like to bite his gimmicks and I just want to understand him, although it’s too much,”
Pac is right..
Pacquiao is right.
This outstanding clip has several well known boxers basically saying Mayweather has ducked Pacquiao...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-K4z3MD_E
but mayweather was right about pacquiao being a PED user, so pac is full of shit.
I'm sure you folks think if you say it a million times it will become true but it clutters the board.
all mayweather asked for was fair testing which pac wouldn't agree to.
given the new information from roach, we can assume there was more than just a fear of needles that was keeping pac from agreeing to blood work and testing.
so who ducked who?
Even the black guys think floyd is the ducker.. he's a punk. Case closed
That clip I posted above, even floyd's most ardent longtime supporter Stephen A Smith from espn finally said to Skip Bayless that he can not defend Floyd any longer, Stephen A Smith stating Floyd has DUCKED Pacquiao.
"My son fighting that little man(Pacquiao), I'm concerned about my son's life." - floyd mayweather sr.
"Floyd doubts himself. Why won't he fight Manny? Scared, man. He don't wanna fight that. Floyd don't wanna fight that. He don't wanna see Manny in the ring." -Tim Bradley
"Hey listen, he doesn't want to fight the guy, it's obvious. I don't know if he's scared of him or not, but he just obviously doesn't want to fight the guy." - Mike Tyson.
I'm saying because of the Manny Pacquiao I saw yesterday, I have to believe that Floyd is DUCKING." - Stephen A. Smith, ESPN.
"Pacquiao did all he can. He did all I would have done. I think Mayweather just got a little too scared if you ask me. If he thinks Pacquiao is taking drugs so what, he should just say: ‘You take it, you kill yourself that isn't going to help you, because with my talent and ability I believe I can still beat you.' But he was scared to take that challenge. If they never fight it won’t be Pacquiao's fault. Every time they came round to fighting, Mayweather put his excuses in." - Larry Holmes
"Did Floyd duck Manny Pacquiao?" - Skip Bayless
"Yes. That's a 100 million dollars, and he just left it. At this point, it's more him sorting out who's the perfect opponent than him fighting the toughest fighter to fight." - 50 Cent
"My health is more important than money. They can take all the money, my health is more important." - Floyd Mayweather jr.
floyd wants testing because he knows pac is using steroids.
roach has all but confirmed this based on his recent interview.
why would floyd agree to put his health at risk against a fighter who is cheating?
Nigga please lol he just wants to pamper his undefeated record and he knows pac is a huge threat to his 0 and health..Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
And this foo has the audacity to claim he's better than ray robinson and leonard..smh
Ray Leonard, Winky Wright, Lennox Lewis on Pacquiao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPf0LyU9foc
Mike Tyson on Pacquiao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjzpRu4l0As
are any of you floyd mayweather?
are any of you going to have to face the consequences of having to fight a dangerous opponent who is using PEDS and won't agree to drug testing?
floyd is making millions and millions of dollars facing guys on his terms. they get tested like he wants. he doesn't need pac...pac needs him!
why would he fight a guy whose own trainer admits has employed shady cheaters as his strength coach and who believes has been giving him questionable cocktails everday of training.
you can call it ducking; but unless its all fair with PED testing then floyd would be an idiot to agree to fight a known cheat.
You sound scared shitless... hilarious to stumble upon an oxymoron... Scared Ruthless Rocco runs to the aid of his beloved Floyd Joy!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
In the matter of fighting known cheats... Has Floyd Jr. not fought one, Shane Mosely?
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Firstly Pac is not a known juicer. If it wasnt for Floyd publicly bashing him no one would say sht about Pac juicing (Until Roach's punk ass threw his own fighter under the rug)
There were way more reasons than drug testing as of why they didnt fight. Drug testing is just what Floyd bashed Pac about to make Pac look bad and make himself look good.
As for Roach, imo he lost a lot of respect from me. You dont say sht like that about any fighter and the fact he said it about his own disappoints me badly. It looks to me like hes trying to save his own ass and name cause one of his old associates got busted.
Im against PED's more than anyone believe me but you dont ruin someones name by throwing accusations out there even if you really believe it.
If Floyd really believed this about Pac he should have been a professional and kept it to himself. If the drug testing was the only reason this fight didnt happen I would side with Floyd more but from what I understand it wasnt even the main reason.
Pac is no more of a proven juicer than any other fighter who has never failed a test.
I believe Floyd would beat Manny by decision.
But, it quite possible he sees something in Pacquaio he's never seen before, compares their performances against common opponents and thinks to himself "This guy COULD beat me so fuck it ill keep fighting the sure thing."
He remembers very well what southpaws like Judah and Corley were able to do to him.. I dont necessarily believe that he has so much trouble against southpaws but we can't deny the fact that unconventional fighters had alot of success against him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I think Pacquiao would now agree to whatever drug testing Floyd would demand. Pacquiao underwent VADA drug testing in his most recent fight against Rios.
VADA, USADA, nada ... I think Pacquiao will agree to it.
Pac is desperate and off the juice so now he wants to talk shit. He should have taken the test back in 2010.
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Originally Posted by jon09
You realize the main reason Pac didnt agree to the fight was Floyd demanded like 60% and the ring size Floyd demanded?
Floyd made obnoxious the demands, Pac denied them in negotiations (as fighters always do) then Floyd ran with it and never made any more negotiations.
People even tried to blame Arum for it not happening but its been Floyd the whole time. He made one offer, Pac didnt cater to his demands and Floyd ran and never looked back.
Floyd blamed it on the drug testing and ever since has been "trying to clean up the sport".
Do you think Floyd has never fought a fighter on PED's?
Floyd could very well be right in his accusations. Nonetheless he would probably win the fight imo. I think hes handled the situation badly.
So many people are quite happy to overlook that pac just got sparked out by marquez and got beat by an injured bradley (bad judging).
Is this all every person can say to just make themselves feel better?
Why pac even mentioning floyd when he cant even beat his stablemates?!
Why doesnt pac step up in weight and fight a young canelo instead of punchbags like rios that is an actual lightweight.
Pac can and never will dethrone floyd and he just not on the same level.
Would a gunshy pac even beat khan?
I think it's pretty amazing how quickly boxing fans can turn for and against a fighter.
After the JMM loss, the overall consensus was that Pac was passed it and should retire. Interest was largely given up on a Pac/Mayweather fight. Instead of opinions being divided on who would win the hypothetical Pac/PBF showdown, all of a sudden it went almost unanimously in Floyd's favor. The logic was that if JMM could give Pac so much problems with his speed and counter punching abilities, what chance would Pac have against a guy like PBF, who had much more speed and counter punching ability than JMM. I know there were exceptions and people that still stuck with Pac, but I think this was the general consensus.
Now that's all changed. And what changed it? A win over Brandon Rios, who was a tailor-made, hand picked patsy who was coming off a loss and had been fighting at 135 only a year ago. So with that win, Pac shot right back up to the status he had in 2010, and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Are boxing fans that easily swindled?
Manny Pacquiao Should Retire Regardless of Result vs. Brandon Rios | Bleacher Report
Manny Pacquiao Could Have Parkinson's - Should He Retire? - Forbes
Manny Pacquiao may retire after Brandon Rios fight, says his trainer Freddie Roach | Boxing News | ESPN.co.uk
Brandon Rios believes Manny Pacquiao should retire | Boxing News | ESPN.co.uk
Manny Pacquiao may consider retirement after bout
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Manny Pacquiao and Wife Jinkee Ponder Retirement Ahead of Brandon Rios Fight | Bleacher Report
Manny Pacquiao could consider retirement after Rios bout
All this retirement from Pac, his trainer, his wife, his fans, his countrymen, and it all went away after he beat a guy who had 0 chance against him.
Shane agreed to take the test.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Oscar demanded everything and guess what..floyd accepted and beat him.
Starting to sound like really bad eggs with all this floyd ducking stuff.
Pac cant even beat a 40 yr old past prime marquez who knocked him down twice!
Pac has nowhere to go as marquez wont fight him again and does he realky want to fight an uninjured undefeated bradley for not much money?
We know Floyd is highly favored to beat Pacquiao but I still want to see a Floyd vs Pacquiao fight compared to seeing Floyd vs Khan or Floyd vs Maidana fights.
test outQuote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
Been awhile since I have posted here...Just want to give my 2 cent on May/Pac
First off...I`m A big fan of both fighter`s,with that being said...It`s very hard for me to believe that anyone would think that either of these Two are "scared" of One another..Silly really...Mayweather is A absolute Boxing prodigy..Maybe the very best to ever enter A Boxing ring,if he is not he is certainly in the discussion,has been fighting his entire life,has fought,smaller,bigger,faster,stronger,longer,talle r...and has seen it all...Absolute dedicated student of the game....
Pac,is A pure fighter from the top of his head,to the bottom of his toes,and comes from A place where he(Pac)would probably fight A world class opponent every week if HBO would pay him..Pac has been fighting like Mayweather since he was A Kid,..and is A Great fighter in his own right...Point is...They are not afraid of each other.....For those who say Mayweather is scared to lose his "0"...That tells me you are A novice fight fan,who has not watched enough Boxing to know that.....Boxing is not pre-scripted..Too many huge upsets to even list...Mayweather could have lost to any One of his opponents...Moseley could have KO`d him when they fought,..Canelo with his size advantage could have done the same,or Corrales,who was A murderous puncher @130...Point is neither One is "Scared" of the other...When A big fight like this does not take place there are reasons for it,and the reason for this fight not happening is simple....Bob Arum...
It is no secret that Bob used to promote Mayweather,and DelaHoya,during that time Arum had A huge stable of well paid fighter`s,but that was not to last,Oscar flew the ship,huge Cash Cow gone there,and then Mayweather in the smartest move he ever made,bought out his contract,and then the Two went on to have the biggest PPV in history...without Uncle Bob....Arum latched onto Pac and turned him into A huge PPV attraction...Makeing tons of money fighting all the fighter`s in the Top Rank stable...In house Money,nothing new there...Arum absolutely despises Oscar and Floyd,and after promoting Mayweather as long as he did,Arum knows better than anybody else,that the One fighter in the entire sport of Boxing that is capable of beating A world class fighter like Pac,with the type of dominateing myth busting Ass whupping is Mayweather,who uses none other then Oscar DelaHoya as his promoter...Now why would Arum want to risk his Money Maker by sacrificeing him to Oscar and Floyd..?
Answer,...He would`nt,and so he did what any promoter would do,he built Pac up against his own fighter`s and kept the Money in house...As of now,..Pac has exhausted all of his options,and provided some great fight`s along the way...At this point it is very clear...Arum is ready to cash out with Pac,it`s been A hell of A run...So know Pac is willing to take drug test,when he had every excuse in the book to not take them before,we are not hearing any Bullshit about temporary outdoor stadiums or the rest of the excuses Arum has made on Pac`s behalf...Pac and Arum need Mayweather at this point...Pac`s PPv numbers in his last fight put the writeing on the wall....And,..as A added bonus...Look what Arum has done to his Prized Fighter...Pac`s Bank account`s frozen in his own Country,Tax Dog`s here in the States barking up his tree..?....Really Sad...Arum should be very ashamed of how he has cheated Pac....I understand why the fight has not happenned...and it is not because they fear each other...
1st off I'm a huge maywather fan I truly believe he's the best ever. Saying that i think he needs the pacman fight more than pacman needs it, if mayweather doesn't fight him, that's what everyone is going to remember him for and now pacmans willing to jump through hoops to make this fight, if it don't happen it does look like floyds ducking him. Floyds says he's all about making that money, so if that's the case fight pacman and make a record high payday, who gives a shit if arum gets a piece of the pie.
Same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
G3...You really think Mayweather needs Pac...?....With all due respect my Friend...Have you been paying attention...?...Have you seen the recent number`s for their respective PPV`S..?
I would bet that Mayweather could fight Brandon Rios right now fresh off his lost to Pac,...and he would Easily double the PPV numbers of Pac/Rios...
No he doesn't need pacman for the money but he sure needs him for his legacy. Floyds wants to be remembered as the best ever that's impossible if you don't fight the biggest threat of your eraQuote:
Originally Posted by TeleTuff
I hear ya,..but,...Mayweather will go in the HOF first ballod,...will be regarded as One of the very Best to ever lace em up,..and if he retires undefeated....[][]...He`s not going to have any "Legacy" issues...Some will point out that he never fought Pac,...but then other`s will also point out that Pac had been KO`D ..What..?...Two,Three times in his carear,was beat by A battle worn E.Morales,fair and square,fought real close with Bradley,...and for those in the real know,..it will also be pointed out that Bob Arum was Pac`s promoter...Mayweather cannot make Arum sign A deal...and is not willing to concede to much to Pac,due to his recent marketability decline,Arum would have to be more willing to concede to the FACT that Floyd is firmly in the Drivers seat,regardless if he like`s it or not...I dont believe the fight has A chance of happening,..until Pac is free of Arum...If Pac was not promoted by Arum,and was his own boss,like Mayweather...Pac would be Mayweather`s next fight..
It doesn't matter who's beat pacman floyd hasn't. I believe floyd would beat him quite easy but if they never fight the real boxing fans will not forget this. Let's be honest pacman and arum would jump at the chance to fight floyd now so if the fight don't happen, I'm blaming maywather and I'm a huge mayweather fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleTuff
Well,we dont know what.."Jumping through hoops" really means...Mayweather is in A position to flat out dictate terms for the fight...Neither fighter needs the other One for legacy...Both are on record stateing this repeatedly......Arum will not give in to Mayweather in negotiations according with were the Two fighter`s are at in their respective carears,...On principal alone...We are not talking about A couple of Guy`s who are strapped for Money here.....There is bad blood to say the least between Mayweather and Arum...When Pac leaves Arum,Mayweather will fight him right away,just like he did Cotto...
Lol a couple of guys who are not strapped for money ? Pacman has serious tax issues. As for legacy mayweather does need pacman, mayweather wants to go down as the greatest ever and that's impossible without beating pacman. I know there's bad blood with floyd and arum but arum knows if pacman gets beat again this fights probably gone forever and he's ready to cash out on pacman. This fight needs to happen sep this year or may next year if floyd wants to cement his legacy he better step up and make this fight happen cause it's him alone that's holding it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleTuff
I'm wondering if there's an instance where Mayweather also called Pacquiao a coward??
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Originally Posted by TeleTuff
Your crazy if you think Floyd isnt afraid to lose his "0". Of course all the other fighters you mentioned had a chance to KO Floyd. But none really had the total package to actually out box Floyd.
Im not saying Pac can out box Floyd, im saying that if anyone can its him. His speed, footwork, volume of punches, punch selection and etc is unlike anything Floyd has seen.
I dont neccessarily disagree with everything else you said, but I definately disagree with that.
Its at least one of the main reasons this fight hasnt happened if not the main reason imo.