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Judging from you crass title to this thread you have already made up your mind, so why ask the question ?
That was unjustified, he emptied his bullets killing the man when he was down and shooting him continually in the back.
Do they not use tasers over there?
I take it the shot guy had a gun on him? The cop called him by name, so he must have been known, and the cop sounded like he was shitting himself. It seems like he shot him about 20 times so maybe he was a Terminator or something.
They said he may have had a knife and some people were saying he got tangled in the seat belt.
I saw another link where 2 cops get killed, so they do a very dangerous job and need to protect themselves as well. It takes a particular sort of person to be a police officer and a shit scared one is not the one you would hope to meet under these circumstances.
How scared would one have to be to handcuff a dead man.. smh im dumbfounded.. as if he thought the mexican dude would still be alive after emptying his clip on him.
It was in the daytime and they had clear sight.. even then, there no reason to keep dumping on a man who is down and out. Did you see the bullet going through his back? Shit is outrageous bruh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And the other video u saw with two cops dieing. I think that was in puerto rico or something and one of those cops did not take the right measures from what ive seen.. there were two cops and two bad guys.. one bad dude was being handcuffed by the cop and the other cop should have had his eye on the other bad guy but instead, he had his back turned from him , making himself a target.. I thought that was careless because an LAPD would never have done that...
That was right it was bad policing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaIt was in the daytime and they had clear sight.. even then, there no reason to keep dumping on a man who is down and out. Did you see the bullet going through his back? Shit is outrageous bruh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And the other video u saw with two cops dieing. I think that was in puerto rico or something and one of those cops did not take the right measures from what ive seen.. there were two cops and two bad guys.. one bad dude was being handcuffed by the cop and the other cop should have had his eye on the other bad guy but instead, he had his back turned from him , making himself a target.. I thought that was careless because an LAPD would never have done that...
That was funny, the way they handled that whole trip. Obviously, the police were looking for the guy, they were watching his house. The usual way they handle that- and I know this from experience- is they catch you when you leave your house. You get a block away and 6 cars surround you.
Why would they be trying to catch him at his house, where he might get inside (and maybe he has a machine gun in there, who knows?)? That whole thing looked bungled- the other cops were obviously close but not close enough so the one cop tried to make the move on his own. And he got scared and killed a man. Even if they caught him in the yard, anybody inside would get rid of whatever they had inside before the cops got in.
Maybe they just wanted to kill him? Does anybody know anything about the guy?
Completely justified.
Cop yells "STOP, or I will shoot". Guy keeps moving in a quick manner like he's searching for something (like a firearm), so the cop shoots him.
There's this myth that seems to exist with the public that a cop has to wait for a guy to point and discharge a firearm at him before he can use force. No. A cop can use deadly force if he reasonably feels that he's in danger. And when you're telling a guy to freeze and he's frantically moving like he's going to grab something, that's enough of a reason to open fire.
I have no sympathy for people like this.
ALWAYS COOPERATE WITH THE COPS. There's absolutely nothing good that can come from resisting arrest, disobeying orders or acting a fool.
BTW this guy was wanted for...
Statutory Rape
Burglary
Possession of controlled substances
Possession of stolen vehicles
Felony for evading arrest
Assault with a deadly weapon
Gang membership
So he has a rap for evading arrest, assault with a deadly weapon and gang membership. Can you blame the cop for being cautious around this guy?
There is something funny about that. Why did he make that move on his own when there were obviously other cops tailing the guy? They only do one on one hero shit like that in movies. And did you notice? There were two people in that car, there was a driver, but the cop immediately and deliberately put himself in a spot where he could only see the guy he ended up shooting. He parked his car in such a way, and, when he got out of the car he moved his body in such a way that the driver was out of his line of sight.
Why? Was a gun found on the guy that got killed? Who was the driver? It seems real odd the whole way they abandoned what they usually do and went at him like that.
In 1999 a guy from my neighborhood got killed running from the police- traffic stop, he was on parole and ran. Three blocks from the stop, they trapped him on a roof and shot him down. The justification was that, later, they found a gun in his car three blocks away. I've seen them fire over 100 rounds into a drunk paisa that had run his car up over the curb and got it stuck on a short wrought iron fence. He was gunning the engine, trying to get off but stuck fast and they lit him up.
I don't know enough about police procedure in general or the specific operation to say for sure if what the cop did was by the books or not.
I do know that if a cop points a gun at you and tells you to stop or he'll shoot, and you respond by frantically darting around like you're going for something, you're probably gonna lit up.
I'm not gonna shed tears for this gang banging dummy haha
This foo raped an underage girl? He deserved to die then. Fuck him.
Now ic why the cops had a hard on for him. They had the greenlight on his ass and was content on taking him out. They werent going to cut this dude any slack and were just waiting for him to make a funny move.
Law enforcement in this country is terrible. They kill, assault, kidnap and violate law abiding citizen's rights everyday. You and I kill someone we go to jail. Cops might get fired.
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I think many of you are having to much faith in the US Gestapo judgement. I knew a PED dealer who sold to eighty percent of an East Coast city Gestapo department. I'm not saying all cops are on them but a good amount are. They do this but bust people on simple possession charges everyday. Hypocrites. They routinely lie and abuse the Constituion regularly. The Government grants them more and more unreasonable power. Fuck that cop, he should have waited until he saw a weapon. Movement is no cause for death. Fuck cops and stop backing the cocksuckers up. I've been pulled over for traffic violations and the idiots want to search my car. Some young rookie looking to make a name for himself.I didn't let him but he kept asking. At least he didn't make something up to get access, he s stool a prick. They want me to give up my privacy for a traffic violation
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Also, at one time they did need to see a weapon prior to shooting someone. They can move the line whenever they want. It's not how this country s. Our rights are greater than their safety. If they don't feel the same they shouldn't have become cops. That killer should be brought up on charges.I don't care what the guys did.
The Yanks are extremely violent people, but what do you expect: the USA is built on theft, fraud, and genocide, for $#!t's sake!!
About 85 Americans get murdered every day all year long.
14,827 murders in 2012 in the USA.
Chicago alone had more dead Americans in 1 year than the American military took casualties in a year in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars combined.
What's wrong with this picture when a single American city has more dead Americans than the American casualties in a war zone? And most of these killers are not caught, the cases go unsolved and thousands of killers currently walk the streets of the USA.
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Even the US national anthem is violent, for $#!t's sake!!
On LBC today they were talking about putting cameras on police whilst on duty 24/7.
Good idea as long as the camera doesnt weigh that much to go with all the LOADS of other equipment a policeman wears.
What line in the constitution gives you the right to resist arrest? What line in the constitution gives you the right to, when a cop points a gun at you and tells you to freeze, frantically go to grab something with impunity?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Being a police officer is a tough, dangerous job. These people are given a certain amount of power to protect citizens from lawbreakers. You're assertion that the cops should wait until the suspect is literally pointing a weapon at them is completely rediculous. There'd be a lot of dead cops if that was the case. I'm not cool with sending police officers on suicide missions because some idiot gangbanger wants to resist arrest and reach for a weapon.
I know people will respond to this with links to (so called) police brutality, negligence, corruption, ect. I'm not saying these don't exist (althought I believe the extent to which these exist are overexaggerated by "anti cop" and "anti authority" people). You're going to get bad seeds in any line of work. Look at politics: the people who dictate our daily lives are crooked as sin.
These incidents are the exception, not the rule. Somebody posted 10-15 links of alleged police wrongdoing on page one. I haven't looked at those and I'm sure a lot of them are disputable, but lets give it the benefit of the doubt and say that all 15 incidents are clear-cut police wrongdoing.
How many tens of thousands of cops are working the streets every day, making countless arrests and busts? And from that, in the history of law enforcement we are provided 15 examples of wrong doing? Do you realize how small of a percentage that is?
You guys can talk about how awful the "gestapo" police are, but when someone assaults you, robs you, breaks into your house, ect, what's the first phone call you're going to make?
Entire city's such as New Orleans, NYC and Vegas have at times had units nailed for corruption. Cops are the biggest gangs out there.
So "at times" - which can mean since the concept of police was invented - three cities had units nailed for corruption? Does that really mean anything in the scheme of things?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
So who do you call when someone breaks into your house?
Dumb question of course you call the police. You pay your taxes so you get protection from them not worry about them abusing their power.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerSo "at times" - which can mean since the concept of police was invented - three cities had units nailed for corruption? Does that really mean anything in the scheme of things?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
So who do you call when someone breaks into your house?
That's why people living in US have to arm themselves to handle their own problems.. u call the cops and they will show up 30 minutes later on the average and by then, somebody is already dead and the robbers are long gone with your stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerSo "at times" - which can mean since the concept of police was invented - three cities had units nailed for corruption? Does that really mean anything in the scheme of things?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
So who do you call when someone breaks into your house?
Best way is to take immediate action when somebody breaks into ur house.. are they actually gonna sit there and dial 911? Lol that aint gonna do shit in robbery situations..
I thought it was for armed police only.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
The local bobby has a lot of equipment already, they have the baton and cs gas. Some officers have a taser.
If they were so corrupt why would you call them? Aren't you afraid they'd just steal from your house when they got there, or just shoot you perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
My point is bad cops are the exception, not the rule, and I think we all understand that.
The Constitution doesn't give any rights. It affirms the natural rights of a free man and the limitations of government. It affirms that I have the freedom of movement w/o unwarranted stopping, search and seizure. This means that a police officer can only detain me with a warrant or when they have probable cause to believe I am involved in committing a crime. So lets be clear, unless I'm being detained I don't have to talk to an officer, listen to them or follow their orders. All that being said if an officer attempts to detains me w/o a warrant or probable cause then they are in violation of the law hence I have every right to defend myself and resist. It is no different than what you would do if I tried to accost you for no reason. Having a badge on your shirt doesn't give you special rights and privileges.Quote:
What line in the constitution gives you the right to resist arrest? What line in the constitution gives you the right to, when a cop points a gun at you and tells you to freeze, frantically go to grab something with impunity?
I have a lot of experience identifying whether a person is armed and/or poses a threat. The leeway officers are given is absurd and the amount of innocent people they kill every year is disgusting. We need to start charging police with manslaughter when they kill someone they shouldn't have.Quote:
Being a police officer is a tough, dangerous job. These people are given a certain amount of power to protect citizens from lawbreakers. You're assertion that the cops should wait until the suspect is literally pointing a weapon at them is completely rediculous. There'd be a lot of dead cops if that was the case. I'm not cool with sending police officers on suicide missions because some idiot gangbanger wants to resist arrest and reach for a weapon.
More important than the amount of "bad seeds" is the refusal to police their own. Law Enforcement should be held to a higher standard than anyone in this country but consistently give their own a pass.Quote:
I know people will respond to this with links to (so called) police brutality, negligence, corruption, ect. I'm not saying these don't exist (althought I believe the extent to which these exist are overexaggerated by "anti cop" and "anti authority" people). You're going to get bad seeds in any line of work. Look at politics: the people who dictate our daily lives are crooked as sin.
I could post 15 more. These things happen everyday and if it wasn't disproportionately against poor minorities we would see even more in the mediaQuote:
How many tens of thousands of cops are working the streets every day, making countless arrests and busts? And from that, in the history of law enforcement we are provided 15 examples of wrong doing? Do you realize how small of a percentage that is?
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Police don't protect anyone. It would take a pretty serious incident for me to call police and even then I would not speak to them w/o a lawyer present.
Yeah? You military? Do you know how many trigger happy soldiers have killed people they shouldn't have overseas?Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Not really sure how that is relevant to police in the US. Seems like you are trying to change the subject with a non sequiter. Police are supposed to enforce the law, Soldiers are supposed to hunt and kill armed men. Not remotely the same thing.
I think I would prefer to call the army if some burgled me, a soldier would come down and scare the crap out of everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah? You military? Do you know how many trigger happy soldiers have killed people they shouldn't have overseas?Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Not to steer off topic but generally the Military is analogous to a steroid user swinging a sledge hammer. If the situation requires tact and finesse we tend to not do well.
I'm not trying to change the topic with a non sequiter. What you said insinuated that you had some higher training or understanding of when a man is a threat to you, when he has a weapon, ect, than the average police officer.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
If you are indeed military and soldier is your profession, to me that suggests that you feel soldiers are more intune to percieving threats, or at least that a police officer's training/instincts/ect in regards to percieving threats is inadequate compared to that of a soldier's. Which is a fair statement, I'm not going to disagree with that. You can correct me if I'm misquoting your intentions.
My point was that even with the (alleged) superior training a soldier has, there are still tons of "human error" mistakes where innocents are killed.
My point was that a Soldier, whose job is to close with and kill an enemy, is trained to identify a weapon and ascertain if someone poses a threat. If in combat, which is tremendously more stressful and dangerous than being a police officer in the US, a Soldier can wait to engage with deadly force until he/she has identified a weapon then law enforcement should be able to as well. Police making statements that they "thought" the victim had a gun is bullshit. Don't pull the trigger until you know, plain and simple. Comparing collateral damage in a battlefield and police shooting innocent people is apples and oranges. Innocent people die in war, they shouldn't die from being shot by over zealous cops.
That's not true. Soldiers don't get to kill with impunity. Every kill requires justifications, backed up with paperwork, witnesses, ect, without which a soldier can be brought up for murder just as quickly as a police officer. Chris Kyle had pencil-pushers trying to bring him up on murder charges for a few of his kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Military personnel have to uphold a certain moral code, just like police officers do.
Pretty much everything you slammed police as a whole for, the military has been accused of and much more.
Covering shit up and protecting their own? Forget about it. Who does this more than the military?
Killing innocent people? Who is more synonmous with that than the US Military? THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of innocent victims overseas. Unarmed men, women, and children. Torture, rape... what havent the military been accused of doing?
At least with police officers, we get to see the squad car tape, hear radio audio, ect so we can make our own minds up.
With the military, they keep that stuff under wraps (unless it gets leeked by idiots like Bradley Manning).
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
You have no idea what you are talking about regarding the military and combat. Do you want to talk about military atrocities or police ones? The thread is about police but you clearly are getting owned and want to change the topic. For starters lethal force in combat does not require paperwork or witnesses. We do have a moral code but again upholding the law does not remotely equate to fighting a war. War is ugly and terrible things happen there. Are you really trying to make some sort of moral equivalence between Soldiers fighting for their lives in a war zone and police officers killing unarmed people in a US city? Regardless, I'll play along, the military is evil and should be held accountable for countless atrocities. What does that have to do with the police killing innocent people, beating innocent people, kidnapping innocent people?
Morals justified killing, it's a hard one because who's right who's wrong,! many people all
over the World get killed by the police, some I would say are killed unlawfully but trouble
is in dealing with people that are the scum of the earth.
Many mistakes can be made on split second decisions, in dealing with harden criminals but
we are not dealing with the average Joe are we,! the average man on the street would be
extremely unlucky to be gunned down by the police.