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It is. That fight should have been a draw. Pascal didn't impress. He shouldn't get a mega-fight with anyone afterwards. Bute wasn't that bad, but could have done a bit more- but his form was much better than Pascal's.
They should be forced to rematch. Bute should protest. This is far from a satisfactory decision.
My god you have no idea how to score boxing. Every other fight would be a draw if u were a judge.
Stop trolling me. Not because you like the guy means he won!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
The fight was boring so I didnt pay attention but pascal didnt impress me at all.. I didnt think he did anything special.. he was sloppy as usual..
Bute beat himself by not throwing enough.. pascal clearly won but I agree he doesnt deserve a big fight cuz it's not like he's going to win...
Pascal is on Bika's level.. I just dont understand why Roy is all up on his nuts.
Like? I'm not a fan of pascal or Bute. The fight was shite. I don't want to see it again. Bute should retire, he looked like a deer in headlights. Pascal clearly won. You can give Bute 2 or 3 rounds. Rest were Pascals.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaStop trolling me. Not because you like the guy means he won!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
You can't score for shit. You believe cz a fight isn't good or a fighter hasn't put in a full effort that he doesn't deserve the win. He did enough to win, that's all that matters.
They both stunk
Come on Beanflicker! That hangdog post is giving me the giggles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Unsatisfactory in that Pascal won yeh, but Bute fought like a old tired cat trying to cross a busy roadway. Pascal looked a fool trying to play act Jones jr, posture and time it out but he won wide in a smelly pile of a fight. This was strictly a fight to determine a KO victim opponent for Kovalev hopefully.
pascal is what he has always been. nothing special but athletic enough to be an alright fighter. he clearly beat bute and i wouldnt mind him facing stephenson because of the whole canadian rivalry thing.
Roy likes Pascal because he is athletic. But as for fight form, Pascal is as average as they come.
If they gave him this fight against Bute without it being a draw, they could have given him the Froch fight on a decision.
jmo...
I have to disagree, I believe Pascal cake walked to the win.
Bute didn't have any venom behind any punches and pascal came on strong at the end of the rounds which was all he needed to beat a very tame Bute.
It was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Pascal didn't impress; Bute didn't try...The picked the the lesser of the two evils. If you can step into a ring and not try where your life is on the line and someone's trying to knock your head off. You deserve to lose.
There were some rounds where butes punch stats were in the low single digits. The fact that Pascal was doing stupid crap like double punching and looking away made it that much worse. Lets face it, if bute had ko'd him with an uppercut from hell in that giftwrapped barrage opportunity from pascal, ... We'd be calling bute lucky and pascal a fool (still)
I never said that. I said Pascal didn't do effective enough scoring to win convincingly. Floyd and Ward's fights are boring- but they are convincingly boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
again showing u cant score a fight. All you have to do is enough to beat the other guy. Let me give u a breakdown of the fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI never said that. I said Pascal didn't do effective enough scoring to win convincingly. Floyd and Ward's fights are boring- but they are convincingly boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Round 1 - Bute landed 4 of 15 punches, Pascal 6 of 35. In fairness was a close round. I gave it to Bute
Round 2 - Bute landed 6 of 22 Pascal 16 of 43. Late flurry by Pascal hurt Bute, clearly a Pascal round
Round 3 - Close round, gave it to Bute
Round 4 to 7 - clear Pascal rounds, outlanded and out threw Bute in every round with most of Bute shots being pawing jabs
Round 8 - close round, pascal out landed again 10 from22 versus 8 from 30 for Bute, again Butes mainly jabs, I gave it to Pascal, possibly 10 10 round
9 - Clear Pascal round out landing Bute 18 to 9
10 -clear pascal round out landing again 21 to 12
11 - Landed the same 19/41 each. I gave to Pascal because he looked to hurt Bute again at the end. Can see the other way too tho so will give to Bute
12 - Bute landed twice as many as Pascal. Butes round because Pascal did nothing
Score 113 Bute 116 Pascal being extremely generous to Bute still have Pascal winning comfy
One thing for sure, I am pretty disappointed in bute. He has the skills to beat PAscal but apparently he didn't recover mentally from the Froch episode and decided to come an fight... one round. He wants a revenge but I think that first, he should seek help to put him back on the path to self confidence.
Bute seemed to take a good punch in his last fight against Denis Grachev. It just didn't carry over to the Pascal fight.
Effective punching does NOT mean punches landed. You know nothing about boxing. Anything the compu-box tells you you accept, hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeagain showing u cant score a fight. All you have to do is enough to beat the other guy. Let me give u a breakdown of the fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI never said that. I said Pascal didn't do effective enough scoring to win convincingly. Floyd and Ward's fights are boring- but they are convincingly boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Round 1 - Bute landed 4 of 15 punches, Pascal 6 of 35. In fairness was a close round. I gave it to Bute
Round 2 - Bute landed 6 of 22 Pascal 16 of 43. Late flurry by Pascal hurt Bute, clearly a Pascal round
Round 3 - Close round, gave it to Bute
Round 4 to 7 - clear Pascal rounds, outlanded and out threw Bute in every round with most of Bute shots being pawing jabs
Round 8 - close round, pascal out landed again 10 from22 versus 8 from 30 for Bute, again Butes mainly jabs, I gave it to Pascal, possibly 10 10 round
9 - Clear Pascal round out landing Bute 18 to 9
10 -clear pascal round out landing again 21 to 12
11 - Landed the same 19/41 each. I gave to Pascal because he looked to hurt Bute again at the end. Can see the other way too tho so will give to Bute
12 - Bute landed twice as many as Pascal. Butes round because Pascal did nothing
Score 113 Bute 116 Pascal being extremely generous to Bute still have Pascal winning comfy
If punch-stats meant a damn thing then Calzaghe's slapping all the time and wrist punches would make him the most effective puncher, ever.
Because joe blow Grachev isn't a puncher, dude.. Dont let the Sillakh KO give you the wrong idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Ok so if I throw 10 punches and land 2 but neither hurt you and you throw 50 punches and land 15 but neither hurt me who has won the round? So you gave Bute 6 rounds? Please tell which ones and explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaEffective punching does NOT mean punches landed. You know nothing about boxing. Anything the compu-box tells you you accept, hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeagain showing u cant score a fight. All you have to do is enough to beat the other guy. Let me give u a breakdown of the fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI never said that. I said Pascal didn't do effective enough scoring to win convincingly. Floyd and Ward's fights are boring- but they are convincingly boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Round 1 - Bute landed 4 of 15 punches, Pascal 6 of 35. In fairness was a close round. I gave it to Bute
Round 2 - Bute landed 6 of 22 Pascal 16 of 43. Late flurry by Pascal hurt Bute, clearly a Pascal round
Round 3 - Close round, gave it to Bute
Round 4 to 7 - clear Pascal rounds, outlanded and out threw Bute in every round with most of Bute shots being pawing jabs
Round 8 - close round, pascal out landed again 10 from22 versus 8 from 30 for Bute, again Butes mainly jabs, I gave it to Pascal, possibly 10 10 round
9 - Clear Pascal round out landing Bute 18 to 9
10 -clear pascal round out landing again 21 to 12
11 - Landed the same 19/41 each. I gave to Pascal because he looked to hurt Bute again at the end. Can see the other way too tho so will give to Bute
12 - Bute landed twice as many as Pascal. Butes round because Pascal did nothing
Score 113 Bute 116 Pascal being extremely generous to Bute still have Pascal winning comfy
If punch-stats meant a damn thing then Calzaghe's slapping all the time and wrist punches would make him the most effective puncher, ever.
Isn't there an immediate rematch clause?
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeOk so if I throw 10 punches and land 2 but neither hurt you and you throw 50 punches and land 15 but neither hurt me who has won the round? So you gave Bute 6 rounds? Please tell which ones and explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaEffective punching does NOT mean punches landed. You know nothing about boxing. Anything the compu-box tells you you accept, hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeagain showing u cant score a fight. All you have to do is enough to beat the other guy. Let me give u a breakdown of the fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI never said that. I said Pascal didn't do effective enough scoring to win convincingly. Floyd and Ward's fights are boring- but they are convincingly boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Round 1 - Bute landed 4 of 15 punches, Pascal 6 of 35. In fairness was a close round. I gave it to Bute
Round 2 - Bute landed 6 of 22 Pascal 16 of 43. Late flurry by Pascal hurt Bute, clearly a Pascal round
Round 3 - Close round, gave it to Bute
Round 4 to 7 - clear Pascal rounds, outlanded and out threw Bute in every round with most of Bute shots being pawing jabs
Round 8 - close round, pascal out landed again 10 from22 versus 8 from 30 for Bute, again Butes mainly jabs, I gave it to Pascal, possibly 10 10 round
9 - Clear Pascal round out landing Bute 18 to 9
10 -clear pascal round out landing again 21 to 12
11 - Landed the same 19/41 each. I gave to Pascal because he looked to hurt Bute again at the end. Can see the other way too tho so will give to Bute
12 - Bute landed twice as many as Pascal. Butes round because Pascal did nothing
Score 113 Bute 116 Pascal being extremely generous to Bute still have Pascal winning comfy
If punch-stats meant a damn thing then Calzaghe's slapping all the time and wrist punches would make him the most effective puncher, ever.
It's not what rounds I gave Bute, is what rounds I didn't want to give to Pascal. Which were quite a few rounds. This fight should have been a draw! A Majority Draw. They should do this again, because it means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
And I would agree with a rematch. It may not be as boring as many would imagine.
I hope not. Bute is finished..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
So how may draw rounds did u have? 6? 8? cant see it possible that Bute won more then 2 or 3Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeOk so if I throw 10 punches and land 2 but neither hurt you and you throw 50 punches and land 15 but neither hurt me who has won the round? So you gave Bute 6 rounds? Please tell which ones and explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaEffective punching does NOT mean punches landed. You know nothing about boxing. Anything the compu-box tells you you accept, hook, line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeagain showing u cant score a fight. All you have to do is enough to beat the other guy. Let me give u a breakdown of the fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI never said that. I said Pascal didn't do effective enough scoring to win convincingly. Floyd and Ward's fights are boring- but they are convincingly boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt was as clear cut as any win. If a fight is boring he thinks it should be a draw. Absolutely clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Round 1 - Bute landed 4 of 15 punches, Pascal 6 of 35. In fairness was a close round. I gave it to Bute
Round 2 - Bute landed 6 of 22 Pascal 16 of 43. Late flurry by Pascal hurt Bute, clearly a Pascal round
Round 3 - Close round, gave it to Bute
Round 4 to 7 - clear Pascal rounds, outlanded and out threw Bute in every round with most of Bute shots being pawing jabs
Round 8 - close round, pascal out landed again 10 from22 versus 8 from 30 for Bute, again Butes mainly jabs, I gave it to Pascal, possibly 10 10 round
9 - Clear Pascal round out landing Bute 18 to 9
10 -clear pascal round out landing again 21 to 12
11 - Landed the same 19/41 each. I gave to Pascal because he looked to hurt Bute again at the end. Can see the other way too tho so will give to Bute
12 - Bute landed twice as many as Pascal. Butes round because Pascal did nothing
Score 113 Bute 116 Pascal being extremely generous to Bute still have Pascal winning comfy
If punch-stats meant a damn thing then Calzaghe's slapping all the time and wrist punches would make him the most effective puncher, ever.
It's not what rounds I gave Bute, is what rounds I didn't want to give to Pascal. Which were quite a few rounds. This fight should have been a draw! A Majority Draw. They should do this again, because it means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
And I would agree with a rematch. It may not be as boring as many would imagine.
I get what your saying, it was a shit fight, neither performed well. But on the scoring system in boxing its clear Pascal won. Rewatch it and score each round.
Bute is the new Kermit Cintron. The first ko loss devasted him so much he will never be the same.. dude is traumatized and dont have the mental toughness to overcome it.
I can see it again and give you more context to what I mean. Some rounds, Pascal only was active for the last 10-15 seconds. I just can't give a guy the rounds off of stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
just because you dont want to give a fighter the round doesnt mean that you shouldnt. for example, if fighter A only throws 10 punches a round and lands 2 but fighter B throws 0 punches, then fighter A obviously wins even though he hardly threw a punch. you score a round by who won not by who shouldnt have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI can see it again and give you more context to what I mean. Some rounds, Pascal only was active for the last 10-15 seconds. I just can't give a guy the rounds off of stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
It varies and both have merits. A fighter can throw one punch in the last 10 secs and score a KD and win the round. But if this punch hurts the fighter wobbles but no KD does he still win as the punches the other guy threw for the 1st 170 secs didnt hurt him. Its down to perspective a lot of the time. I think calling a fight like this is a cop out and down to being lazy when scoring the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherjust because you dont want to give a fighter the round doesnt mean that you shouldnt. for example, if fighter A only throws 10 punches a round and lands 2 but fighter B throws 0 punches, then fighter A obviously wins even though he hardly threw a punch. you score a round by who won not by who shouldnt have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI can see it again and give you more context to what I mean. Some rounds, Pascal only was active for the last 10-15 seconds. I just can't give a guy the rounds off of stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Clear for Pascal.
thats a different situation though. whether or not you agree with the ruling, a KD will win the fighter the round. thats just how boxing scoring is done whether or not its the best way to be done. other than the KD exception, the person who does better wins the round. you cannot score a round even just because you didnt find either fighter particularly pleasing to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt varies and both have merits. A fighter can throw one punch in the last 10 secs and score a KD and win the round. But if this punch hurts the fighter wobbles but no KD does he still win as the punches the other guy threw for the 1st 170 secs didnt hurt him. Its down to perspective a lot of the time. I think calling a fight like this is a cop out and down to being lazy when scoring the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherjust because you dont want to give a fighter the round doesnt mean that you shouldnt. for example, if fighter A only throws 10 punches a round and lands 2 but fighter B throws 0 punches, then fighter A obviously wins even though he hardly threw a punch. you score a round by who won not by who shouldnt have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI can see it again and give you more context to what I mean. Some rounds, Pascal only was active for the last 10-15 seconds. I just can't give a guy the rounds off of stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Of course you can score even rounds, or you can score a 9-8 round. You can even score a 9-9 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherthats a different situation though. whether or not you agree with the ruling, a KD will win the fighter the round. thats just how boxing scoring is done whether or not its the best way to be done. other than the KD exception, the person who does better wins the round. you cannot score a round even just because you didnt find either fighter particularly pleasing to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIt varies and both have merits. A fighter can throw one punch in the last 10 secs and score a KD and win the round. But if this punch hurts the fighter wobbles but no KD does he still win as the punches the other guy threw for the 1st 170 secs didnt hurt him. Its down to perspective a lot of the time. I think calling a fight like this is a cop out and down to being lazy when scoring the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherjust because you dont want to give a fighter the round doesnt mean that you shouldnt. for example, if fighter A only throws 10 punches a round and lands 2 but fighter B throws 0 punches, then fighter A obviously wins even though he hardly threw a punch. you score a round by who won not by who shouldnt have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI can see it again and give you more context to what I mean. Some rounds, Pascal only was active for the last 10-15 seconds. I just can't give a guy the rounds off of stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I don't score even rounds. Boxing scoring is subjective and it comes down to what you are looking for from the fighters. In my eyes, there is always something to like the sets the 2 fighters apart and I would only score an even round if one fighter was winning the round and suffered a point deduction for an infraction.
What I'm trying to say is, even rounds are for pussies who are afraid to get off the damn fence. Grow some balls and score the round for someone ;D
... and there was nothing that truly separated them in a real fashion. Bute was scared and Pascal had spurts of 10 seconds. Not a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
i agree that you can score even rounds but if you think that there was nothing to set them apart throughout the fight then you should be a boxing judge. you would fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja... and there was nothing that truly separated them in a real fashion. Bute was scared and Pascal had spurts of 10 seconds. Not a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I don't know if that's the case but that could well be. And if so, it's a terribly pity and a terrible talent wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Was Brute a good fighter or just got exposed?Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI don't know if that's the case but that could well be. And if so, it's a terribly pity and a terrible talent wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita