BBC Sport - Carl Froch ordered to have George Groves rematch by IBF
:D
although I feel bad for Groves a bit.
He'll have to win every round just to get a draw.
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BBC Sport - Carl Froch ordered to have George Groves rematch by IBF
:D
although I feel bad for Groves a bit.
He'll have to win every round just to get a draw.
so who will groves fight for the vacant ibf belt ......
Glad this has happened , I think Froch will fight him ;)
it is a natural rematch , the fans wanna see it so bad , I think it will make more money ppv this time.
I'm really happy with the IBF.
They didn't do the usual rules are rules, ref makes the final call bullshit.
They actually reviewed the fight, like boxing fans and decided on what was fair.
+1 IBF
Of all the sanctioning bodies, IBF has been the least corrupt..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Isnt Lamont Peterson an IBF Champ? Still!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaOf all the sanctioning bodies, IBF has been the least corrupt..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
I just checked IBF rankings and numbers 1 and 2 are not rated..?
So if Froch swerves it and loses the belt wtf happens next???
http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/boxing/stats/ibf-rankings
I think Groves would have been better off letting Froch fight Chavez. Froch would win, maybe get some higher profile in america and then get the rematch and beat the higher profile Froch with a few extra miles on the clock.
In the mean time he should fight Periban. Get a good competetive 12 rounder out the way to get used to the distance. He may even lose that fight. Whatever Groves does in training, he needs to change as he was tired from the 6th and slowed.
I thought maybe they would make Groves fight Oosthuizen and then I read thisQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Thomas Oosthuizen crashes bicycle, dropped by promotor - ESPN
So that probably ain't gonna happen. I do not think that Froch will want to lose the chance of redeeming his bruised reputation and neither him or Groves will want to miss the chance of such a big pay day and an opportunity for what could be the biggest domestic boxing match ever. The stipulations that Groves is unhappy with may well be an attempt by Hearn trying to tie Groves into a promotional deal he does not want and I can understand his point, but Hearn will make him money and probably is the best guy for the Job in the UK. While I applaud Groves trying to be independent and go it alone there is only so much you can do without big money leverage and TV deals behind you.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI thought maybe they would make Groves fight Oosthuizen and then I read thisQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Thomas Oosthuizen crashes bicycle, dropped by promotor - ESPN
So that probably ain't gonna happen. I do not think that Froch will want to lose the chance of redeeming his bruised reputation and neither him or Groves will want to miss the chance of such a big pay day and an opportunity for what could be the biggest domestic boxing match ever. The stipulations that Groves is unhappy with may well be an attempt by Hearn trying to tie Groves into a promotional deal he does not want and I can understand his point, but Hearn will make him money and probably is the best guy for the Job in the UK. While I applaud Groves trying to be independent and go it alone there is only so much you can do without big money leverage and TV deals behind you.
I just read it will be Brandon Gonzalez ;) number 3 ranked.
Unfortunate for Carl but it had to happen sooner later so he might aswel get it out the way now.
Let's hope we don't get a crap ref like last time, cuz we don't need another controversial ending but saying that I'm sure a groves win would result in a decider.
Under what premise is this rematch ordered?!!?
See why we can't take boxing councils seriously?!?! Because "they" feel or the "fans" order a fight, doesn't mean a fight should be made.
There are a lot of guys lining up to get a Froch fight. Groves was, in fact, LUCKY to land a fight with a payday, at that stage, against Froch.
Hearns says it is about the money, this decision does not really mean anything. He says this means champion gets 85% of the purse and he has offered Groves more than what he would get. Groves has turned it down, he wants more.
I believe that offer was made before the rematch was ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What I was trying to say was the order does not affect the purse being offered. hearns is offering Groves more money. I do no it know if that makes any sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI believe that offer was made before the rematch was ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I guess groves is entitled to more as he's been made Froch' mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat I was trying to say was the order does not affect the purse being offered. hearns is offering Groves more money. I do no it know if that makes any sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI believe that offer was made before the rematch was ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Like if for example if Froch offered him £1,000,000, to fight and Groves said no because now he might be entitled to more.
I don't know but this seems the most likely and logical answer.
Yes but he may lose the opportunity of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI guess groves is entitled to more as he's been made Froch' mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat I was trying to say was the order does not affect the purse being offered. hearns is offering Groves more money. I do no it know if that makes any sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI believe that offer was made before the rematch was ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Like if for example if Froch offered him £1,000,000, to fight and Groves said no because now he might be entitled to more.
I don't know but this seems the most likely and logical answer.
Pesonally I think groves is stalling for time a bit cause he's looking for a promoter aswell,
He turned it down because hes worth more? Fight will be a lot bigger then last time, PPV sales will be a lot better, he deserves a bigger purse. Froch would get at least 5 mil for the fight so Groves prob holding out for 2Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI guess groves is entitled to more as he's been made Froch' mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat I was trying to say was the order does not affect the purse being offered. hearns is offering Groves more money. I do no it know if that makes any sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI believe that offer was made before the rematch was ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Like if for example if Froch offered him £1,000,000, to fight and Groves said no because now he might be entitled to more.
I don't know but this seems the most likely and logical answer.
I don't blame Froch going for Jr, as it's a fight Carl will win,! and at the tail end of his carer a
good pay day. Carl has earned his money the hard way, George gave him a fright and Carl
will give him a rematch.
Froch is a fighter that loves a toe to toe scrap, but George did not do that he out boxed Froch
and it was a very difficult for Carl.
Maybe Froch took Groves lightly,! all the I dropped him in sparring stuff made Carl over confident
I myself felt Groves needed 2 or 3 more learning fights, before facing Carl.
Grove should go after Bika,as this is a fight George should win then face Carl end of the year, 2
fighters both holding titles, always more interesting with both holding titles and of course a 50/50
purse.
Interesting. Joe C found himself having to make a similar decision and with the same organization when Robert Stieglitz became his mandatory. Joe chose more North American exposure and money with the popular Manfredo. Smart move. He got Kessler next and became the recognized undisputed super mid champion w/o their trinket.
The twist here is that Carl knows the fight needs to happen with Groves unless he retires. And if he retires well let the public flogging commence. He also knows that's its much bigger down the road and is probably just as big even if Chavez were to beat him. If he's stripped of the title or vacates and Groves gets to fight for it and wins then Groves becomes a paper champion and still needs to settle with Froch. I think the domestic pressure alone will be enough regardless of who they both scrap next.
Personally I just dont see the Chavez fight happening regardless of all the press. His Godfather just died and his family are alumni members. I thought he would challenge Bika before but now that Jose has gone to the other side I think its almost a guarantee.
If Froch vacates and Groves wins the title he is not a 'paper' champion, having already beaten Froch, but not the disgraceful referee (see IBF report which is pretty damning of the refs performance).Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I'm not sure Chavez wants him because a. he's a serious risk and b. no bugger in england is interested in a Froch PPV that hasn't got Groves in it.