Just read this and my gut feeling is that Groves is telling the truth here ;)
You gotta admire the man for not being walked over and sticking to his guns.
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/277585.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
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Just read this and my gut feeling is that Groves is telling the truth here ;)
You gotta admire the man for not being walked over and sticking to his guns.
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/277585.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
Groves turned down a 25% cut knowing that he's entitled to only 15% if the IBF ruled in his favour. There's no way Matchroom/Froch will risk losing the fight to another promoter through purse bids.
If Froch dumps the belt Groves fights for it and gets to sign with any promoter he likes. With the fame he's got from this fight and with a "world" title he will be big business. And he gets to claim Froch ducked him.
You could argue that it's Groves that doesn't want the rematch. :)
Told you so, Groves holds aces at the moment, Froch continues to make a cnut of himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
A rematch would be great as the first fight was excellent. It was a rubbish ending though. This time out I think Groves sends Froch into retirement. He is just too fast, slick, clever, smart. Froch was lucky, lucky, lucky. Lightning won't strike twice (not that there was any lightning first time out).
Not sure why Froch is a cunt, he's obviously agreed to the fight if they're in negotiations, it's just about getting the money right.
Groves is now contesting the IBF over the 15% ruling.
Groves doesn't want to commit his future to Matchroom. I think that's the issue. He wants to be #1 Super-Middle for his promoter and Hearn favours Froch. I think he's worried about getting mugged again.
Groves does seem reluctant to re-sign with Matchroom. Funny really, considering they're the pathway to Sky Sports, gave him the shot at Froch first time, and now are offering him the rematch he so greatly "desires."
But obviously he could have better deals from overseas promoters.
If you had to choose between fighting Froch for a "world" title or Brandon Gonzales/Maksim Vlasov who would you pick? Even though you'll get a fraction of the money against the no-names, you will be the favourite, and will benefit financially in the long run with the help of the shitty alphabet title. As long as you keep winning of course....
Groves is the one being a diva for this and I think he is deliberately pushing it so that Froch is forced to go elsewhere and relinquish the titles making it seem that he is avoiding Groves. Clever git.
Froch should throw the belt away and secure a fight with Chavez.
I don't like how he's acting like he has the aces here. He needs to vindicate himself and win a rematch, because history is written by the winners. Like it or not, bad stoppage or not, Carl has a TKO win over him. Bad stoppages happen in boxing. It was a tough break, but I think he really needs that vindication, or else no matter how far he goes it will always hang over his head.
Groves needs to get a little perspective....he is the challenger who was offered 7 figures, but along with that there will be concessions he has to make, he should remember he has achieved fuck all of note in his career and brings nothing to the table that Froch can get elsewhere!!
I like what Groves is doing here ;)
He's got Froch right where he wants him is is playing on it , its a win win.
If Froch doesn't give him what he wants he'll be remembered as the man who ducked George Groves not the man who got a tko over him thats joe public for you.
Groves still gets a title shot that he'll win then has way more bargaining power to taunt Froch some more.
Master is bang on.... Groves is being very clever here ;)
After what happened in the first fight and the general shit he's taken throughout his career, it's good to see him holding the cards and in a way calling the shots.
Groves is being a dumbass here not clever-he wants a rematch and has been offered one along with the biggest payday he will have ever had or is ever likely to get at this stage in a career. The hype surrounding Groves is embarrassing and he is being judged by one good performance-personally I dont see what is clever about pursuing the mandatory route when he will be entitled to considerably less of a purse for a fight he has already been offered!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Groves calling the shots ;DQuote:
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Originally Posted by mofo2Groves is being a dumbass here not clever-he wants a rematch and has been offered one along with the biggest payday he will have ever had or is ever likely to get at this stage in a career. The hype surrounding Groves is embarrassing and he is being judged by one good performance-personally I dont see what is clever about pursuing the mandatory route when he will be entitled to considerably less of a purse for a fight he has already been offered!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Your totally missing the point fella ;-)
Groves will easily beat Brandon whatever his name is and take the belt.
He also knows he's got Frochs number second time round, Froch can only fight one way ;)
Are you saying that when Groves is a World Champion and he fights Froch he wont have more to bring to the table when it comes to negotiating a deal?
To be honest I think maybe he is getting some "off the record" advice because the way he's trying to hustle is exactly the way Adam Booth does.
And the one good performance you mention just happened to be his first real test against one of the toughest fighters in years and look what he did... floored him in the first then owned him round after round.
Trust me if that KO in round 1 was 20-30 seconds earlier we wouldn't be having this conversation :)
Its all about momentum, the only way George Groves keeps hold of it is by securing a rematch with Froch so him playing hard ball doesnt look like a smart move to me. If he fights anyone other than Froch the arsehole will fall out of the interest thats built due to fight one. We'll all watch of course regardless who he fights but a rematch with froch would go beyond us idiots.
To me everything hinges on him beating Froch in a rematch. If anything other than that happens I wouldnt mind a fiver on him sliding into obscurity in the next couple of years. Decent fighter yes, but the only thing thats colourful about him is his hair.
He's appealing the appeal now lol :)
People (Once their memories are jogged) dont forget a rematch like this with 2 Huge domestic rivals ...
Benn v Eubank 2 was massive and was 3 years after the first fight happened.
Of course a rematch will happen sooner or later and if Groves brings a belt into the equation its gonna be a bigger event all round.
http://www.nottinghampost.com/Groves-appeals-IBF-purse-split-Froch-rematch/story-20525693-detail/story.html
aye, but benn eubank 1 was pretty decisiveQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Benn and Eubank were both still in their 20s when the rematch happened. They both went unbeaten after the first encounter and both held "world" titles. Froch is coming to the end of his career. Groves has became a face to the non-boxing nerd soley on the back of Froch. If the rematch doesn't happen sharpish it will never happen.
I actually think Froch will win the rematch. Could Groves possibly hit him any harder or cleaner?
Most importantly though, Groves was fighting his usual style but at a much faster pace. I think it's quite clear he was struggling with the pace as that fight went on. And I think it's highly unlikely he could ever get such a massive headstart again. The element of surprise is gone.
Froch is saying that the Chavez fight would be PPV so he's thinking it might be as big an earner as the Groves fight or close to it. But the exchange rate is well against him, there's a glut of shit PPVs in the States over the next few months and Chavez got booed out of the ring by his own fans last time out and has never headlined his own HBO PPV before.
Groves obviously has a lot of self belief to do what he's doing. He'll have paid the IBF a significant chunk of change for this "review" that they did and he's got the belief he can beat Froch and make more money as an independent down the road than he can by signing for Matchroom. I'm not sure he's right about that one.
I think Froch wins too next time out but seeing as I hate Froch and would love him to lose I'm going to pick Groves to beat him. Blocking punches with his chin is going to catch up with Froch sooner or later. If he does fight Chavez next hopefully Froch has at least one more decent fight in him though. :)
Frank Warren has spoken to Froch amd Groves and is interested in putting it on if it goes to Purse Bids
I dont think at all that Froch would win the rematch, he cant fight any other way than he did that night but the question is can/will Groves ;)
Warren could snatch this ;)
http://www.britishboxers.co.uk/2014/01/frank-warren-in-talks-with-froch-and-groves-to-stage-the-rematch.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed &utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BritishBoxersBoxingNewsRevie wsLinksRankingsWwwbritishboxerscouk+%28British+Box ing+Website+-++www.britishboxers.co.uk%29
David Haye promoted successful fights with his own promotional company on various platforms including Sky PPV. He went to them with the Fury fight. Haye and Fury were both available to do a deal with Sky and the fight was a big fight that Sky wanted to do on PPV, but Sky told Haye he had to do a deal with Hearn and basically become a Hearn fighter or the PPV couldn't happen. Groves needs this fight on Sky to make the most money he can so he has to do a deal with Hearn for at least one fight. If he beat Froch and was actually a viable PPV draw in the future he'd need to work with Sky again.
There's no way Box Nation could outbid what Matchroom could come up with if this fight goes to purse bids. I thibk this is just Warren fucking with Hearn and Sky.
That's exactly why the fight wont go to purse bids. There's no way Matchroom/Sky/Froch would risk losing the fight to another platform.
Anyway, Groves would need Warren to buy the fight for around £10m quid just to recieve what he's already turned down at a 15% split. Good luck with that. Two hopes...
What I am saying is for this fight he has the opportunity to make a massive payday and if he doesnt take it, he might not get the chance again, George is just a decent fighter who had a good night-no more no less-so he should cash in whilst he can!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Groves is being a dumbass here not clever-he wants a rematch and has been offered one along with the biggest payday he will have ever had or is ever likely to get at this stage in a career. The hype surrounding Groves is embarrassing and he is being judged by one good performance-personally I dont see what is clever about pursuing the mandatory route when he will be entitled to considerably less of a purse for a fight he has already been offered!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Your totally missing the point fella ;-)
Groves will easily beat Brandon whatever his name is and take the belt.
He also knows he's got Frochs number second time round, Froch can only fight one way ;)
Are you saying that when Groves is a World Champion and he fights Froch he wont have more to bring to the table when it comes to negotiating a deal?
To be honest I think maybe he is getting some "off the record" advice because the way he's trying to hustle is exactly the way Adam Booth does.
And the one good performance you mention just happened to be his first real test against one of the toughest fighters in years and look what he did... floored him in the first then owned him round after round.
Trust me if that KO in round 1 was 20-30 seconds earlier we wouldn't be having this conversation :)
So lets say this went down at Wembley Stadium... hypothetical like.
80,000 punters would rip the hands off the ticket sellers.
Average price £80-100. (Probably higher)
Thats serious money right there and Warren has his own outlet for tv.
Obviously other channels across the world are gonna want in too.
More money...sponsors etc...more money.
If this is the next fight for both fighters then its at its peak hype wise and a massive event.
Just saying :)
Stays at 85-15....
http://www.boxingscene.com/groves-loses-appeal-ibf-stands-by-85-15-split-froch--74179
It would likely happen at the City Ground and Groves is the Contender....he brings nothing else to the table but his smug Ginger Mush!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Just saying!!
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Originally Posted by mofo2It would likely happen at the City Ground and Groves is the Contender....he brings nothing else to the table but his smug Ginger Mush!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Just saying!!
Not a fan then?
I like Groves, smug mush/confidence in his own ability .. very fine line their.
I like him...always have, love a character me, especially when he backs it up with his fists ;)
I would love it if the fight was won by Warren on Box Nation for free on their subscription channel.
I dont dislike him, I just think he is expecting more than he is worth!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by mofo2It would likely happen at the City Ground and Groves is the Contender....he brings nothing else to the table but his smug Ginger Mush!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Just saying!!
Not a fan then?
I like Groves, smug mush/confidence in his own ability .. very fine line their.
I like him...always have, love a character me, especially when he backs it up with his fists ;)
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let it go to purse offers, 85-15 is ridiculous, has everyone forgotten how battered Froch got?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
he didnt have a headstart or a lead tho, aside from the knockdown the scores were even ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch getting chinned early put him on the backfoot for several rounds afterwards, thats on top of the 2 point flier Groves got. Its unlikely Groves is going to get such a brilliant start again and Froch will be getting to him a bit earlier this time around.
80 - 15 is what Groves is worth, his ranking says so.
Have you negotiated yourself 5% there Memphis??Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanHave you negotiated yourself 5% there Memphis??Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Im going to appeal it naturally. Im worth at least 6!
;D
Slippery sod.
Don't bother with the appeal, the IBF told Groves to fuck off and get on with it.
Their exact words I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So if this goes to Purse bids Groves still only gets 15% because he's ranked beyong the number 3 spot with the IBF..?
You know what I mean. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master