Come on. Really? With all the talent around, that has to be joke. No intention of slamming Herrera, but just this is a HUGE step back on Garcia's trajectory. Will anyone even watch this fight?
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Come on. Really? With all the talent around, that has to be joke. No intention of slamming Herrera, but just this is a HUGE step back on Garcia's trajectory. Will anyone even watch this fight?
Agreed 100%. This is what makes being a UFC fan much more satisfying, because boxing "match making" makes no sense.
Garcia gets the win of his career against a guy most thought would steamroll him, he's hotter than ever, and how do they follow it up? He fights Herrera, who most have never heard or seen of. What the fuck?
In another thread I'm reading that Kovalev is being booked to fight some other asshole instead of Stevenson. What?!? You had the two guys fighting on the same card to set up the fight, both produced spectacular performances and are as hot as ever, and…. now they're fighting other guys before they fight? What?!?
I remember waiting in anticipation for the huge Gamboa/Juanma showdown… they played the shit where they wait and look what happened, Juanma went to shit and it got blown.
And of course now Mayweather, the #1 p4p in the world, is probably going to be fighting Khan?!?
Boxing can go fuck itself. I hope all these pointless fights lose money so boxing promoters have to stop giving us bullshit and cut right to the good stuff that the public wants.
Agree. I dont like the UFC but there setup is so much better. Its down to it being a monopoly, 1 promoter decides everything and that promoter is a fan of the sport. Youd have great boxing cards week in week out if the same was true for boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia is a unification fight and they are promoted by the same promoter. I understand if Garcia doesn't want to move up in weight until he cleans out the division (same with GGG), but I don't see any point in facing Herrera. It's a big step back in competition.
With Kovalev and Stevenson, I somewhat understand if they are planning to fight in the fall. I get that to an extent. Build the fight up a little bit more. I would also understand if Garcia was moving up in weight and wanted a little bit of an easier touch at 147 before jumping in with the top welterweights, but they're also fighting at 140? I don't understand the logic.
This is such a lame fight. Talk about limp.
That's true too, and it's a big reason why I'd support a group like Goldenboy taking over boxing and having all the best fighters under one roof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
To me there's also a different mentality with boxing promoters, they remind me almost of traveling carnies, just trying to squeeze every dime out of every stop as possible with no real thought or need to build up anything, just on to the next stop to squeeze out more $$$.
And it's partly our fault too, because we've been conditioned to swallow shit and ask for seconds by decades of lame matchmaking.
That's all this is. Danny's hot right now, hot enough where they can squeeze a few dimes out of an inferior matchup, so that's what their going to do.
At least there are some decent fights on the card ;)
It's not that bad of a fight. Herrera is the one who took Provodnikov 0. And without much difficulty. His fight with Alvarado was one of the best of 2012. Herrera can fight. I don't expect him to win. But he ain't just gonna lay down for Garcia either. He'll be competitive.
I think the worst scenario would be all or nothing under a single rule but agree on the urgency and want. Promoters have that now with decent stables of talent but instead of making statements and rising above in house we still get a boiled down version and Gary Russell jr blowing out a flyweight tomorrow night..etc etc. The fact is, this sport needs some cannon fodder. Its business and you need competition and rivals as there are just way too many boxers to try to have some dictatorship. The 'best vs best' is always in flux and in rotation with upsets and "WHOTF is that guy". Journeymen and lesser knowns have FOTY canidates too. Had Danny not just beat a Matthysse this would be a bigger terd but as long as no pattern of padding exist, its tolerable. Not desired, but tolerable. There are complete shameful mismatches..and then there are tune ups. I mean even a Kovalev didn't beat a best of best to merit the demand vs Stevenson. It is more HOW he steamrolls people. He is must see tv who was given a shot from obscurity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerThat's true too, and it's a big reason why I'd support a group like Goldenboy taking over boxing and having all the best fighters under one roof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
To me there's also a different mentality with boxing promoters, they remind me almost of traveling carnies, just trying to squeeze every dime out of every stop as possible with no real thought or need to build up anything, just on to the next stop to squeeze out more $$$.
And it's partly our fault too, because we've been conditioned to swallow shit and ask for seconds by decades of lame matchmaking.
That's all this is. Danny's hot right now, hot enough where they can squeeze a few dimes out of an inferior matchup, so that's what their going to do.
There's a lot to be said for the UFC method of matching the best against the best but it's easy to do that when you've got everybody under contract. Boxing is always going to be like this as promoters have to make money and I think Golden Boy here are seeing if they can build Garcia's fanbase a little by putting him on in PR and reminding Puerto Ricans that he's Puerto Rican. Cotto manages to sell out MSG and be a big PPV draw due to his Puerto Rican fanbase and Garcia doesn't draw flies by comparison so they're probably just trying to market him with this fight, plus GBP are now making a promotional agreement with Puerto Rican Best Boxing who have fallen out with Arum, so it's a long term move for them as well.
I actually don't mind this card at all. The main event will be an action fight and you've got two much better undercard fights than you generally see on a Top Rank bill.
Fighting in Puerto Rico makes 100% sense to build your fan base, and I agree with that part of the move, but he's taking an easy, showcase opponent. Why take a showcase fight when you beat the boogeyman in the division in your last fight? Onward and upward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Who else is there at 140? Herrera comes to fight, right? It'll be an all-action fight for as long as it lasts and they obviously expect Garcia to make a big statement. I think it's fair to give Garcia a relatively easy fight after his last outing too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFighting in Puerto Rico makes 100% sense to build your fan base, and I agree with that part of the move, but he's taking an easy, showcase opponent. Why take a showcase fight when you beat the boogeyman in the division in your last fight? Onward and upward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There are better fights at 140 that than Herrera. Lamont Peterson comes to mind with his recent win over Jean, and it's a unification fight for whatever that's worth, even Jean himself is higher ranked. Herrera isn't even ranked in the top ten at the weight class. Sure he'll make a big statement, but what kind of statement? That he can beat Herrera? No one expects him to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWho else is there at 140? Herrera comes to fight, right? It'll be an all-action fight for as long as it lasts and they obviously expect Garcia to make a big statement. I think it's fair to give Garcia a relatively easy fight after his last outing too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFighting in Puerto Rico makes 100% sense to build your fan base, and I agree with that part of the move, but he's taking an easy, showcase opponent. Why take a showcase fight when you beat the boogeyman in the division in your last fight? Onward and upward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
What would he do though, Peterson, the date is in 6 weeks? Had he not fought Jean (comeback off that crushing KO loss) would anyone want to see Peterson vs Garcia. Its not all fighters picking fighters, the networks pull the strings and offer the rides.
Only reason this event is tolerable is because of the undercards. Otherwise this main event is criminal.
I agree with you Rant, this fight sucks bigtime.. herrera may be tough but that is all he is, a tough stepping stone, gatekeeper for the up n comers.. Danny is so beyond that level now this fight is bizarre..
Herrera's supporters are keep using the Provodnikov victory as some kind of measuring stick lol but the way I see it , he fougth the fight of his life against provodnikov who was having a bad night.. he probably wasnt motivated enough, or simply did not take herrera seriously, but whatever happened, I know herrera would never beat prov again.. he was just fortunate first time around..
This is why GBP decided to stack the card that even features wilder in a step up bout.. schafer knows as well as the fans that herrera dont cut it and a regular doubleheader wouldve been bad for rating...
U combine this shitty main event with juana-Deleon, a fight with a good story behind it, plus wilder-scott, and it's a decent card..
"I know that Herrera would never beat Provodnikov again...he was just fortunate the first time"
1)are you serious, you know?!
2)discrediting fights while saying you want harder fights is just about the most illogical thing possible. Why should people take tough fights if people will discredit at their discretion?
Herrera beat Prov, he deserves respect for that because he did that in the ring. The rematch in your mind has far far far less value than what happened in the ring.
In a rematch, would you bet on Herrera?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
In a rematch, would you bet on Herrera?[/QUOTE]
No, I think Provodnikov would win. But what I think has less value than what happened in the ring.
No, I think Provodnikov would win. But what I think has less value than what happened in the ring.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
There ya go, thanks for proving my point..
Whatever happened in the prov fight is irrelevant because that was 3 years ago and some might argue that he's regressed since then. He got a gift over a punch drunk mike dallas and lost to alavardo and mayfield which isnt anything to be ashamed of but still that just shows what level he is on. He clearly got lucky with prov and before that fight, he lost to Mike Achondo of all people..
He hasnt done anything lately to deserve a shot at garcia.
I think people put far too much value in what they think these days completely unaware that they are programmed by the media. Is it a great fight in my opinion,, no. But it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.
People have very high expectations these days. I mean Sugar Ray Robinson on 122 occasions fought a guy with 10 or less wins or 10 or more losses. Today we would tear his record apart. The greatest to ever lace them up and it would be brutal. Not every fight is a great fight.
There's a clear motivation to get the PR fanbase on board. So we should be real about what is going on and move on. His career will no be defined by this fight so why argue about something that won't be remembered? If his next fight isn't a good one there's a problem but one showcase fight isn't something to get worked up over.
Just wanna see garcia in a good fight, that's all.. this is a bum fight but I guess he deserves a soft touch after what he's been through..
There ya go, thanks for proving my point..Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaNo, I think Provodnikov would win. But what I think has less value than what happened in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Whatever happened in the prov fight is irrelevant because that was 3 years ago and some might argue that he's regressed since then. He got a gift over a punch drunk mike dallas and lost to alavardo and mayfield which isnt anything to be ashamed of but still that just shows what level he is on. He clearly got lucky with prov and before that fight, he lost to Mike Achondo of all people..
He hasnt done anything lately to deserve a shot at garcia.[/QUOTE]
Agree that he shouldn't be getting close to Garcia :-\ he did beat your boy Kim pretty easy though :p
I never seen the Herrera/Provodnikov fight, but I heard most people thought Prov got robbed (Jim Lampley mentioned that during the Prov/Bradley broadcast)
I would have thought that you of all people on this board would not defend a bad fight. :confused: Haven't you trashed many fighters recently for facing opponents you deemed not worthy? Why switch gears to defend Garcia of the same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Here's the problem I have with it. Garcia is the man at junior welterweight. He beat the boogeyman in the division in his last fight, which is his best win. Herrera does not deserve a fight with the man in the division. He's not even ranked in the top ten. It's not like Garcia doesn't have options at 140 either. He has better opponents around his weight class that he can get in the ring with in Puerto Rico. There are many more legacy-defining fights for him, and fights that are consistent with his current trajectory. What does this do for his career? It's disappointing and I get the PR thing, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have gone with a better choice of opponent to face in PR. Frankly, at the end of the day, Garcia probably will have a year (his last fight was in September 2013) in the middle of his career that won't really matter. It doesn't make sense to me unless the point is not to take a risky fight when he has fights with Broner/Mayweather lined up for the future.
Exactly. I don't get why most boxing fans don't understand that. You win a huge fight, you gain huge momentum, you wanna keep that rolling into a bigger fight. It's a step down, it does nothing for his heat or momentum. He wins, so what. He loses, oops there goes all his momentum. Pointless fight that no one is clamoring for. Nobody said "I wonder how he'd do against Herrera." If people aren't thinking about a hypothetical fight, it's probably a shit fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Cotto had an awful lot of easy fights while Top Rank built him into a massive attraction with Puerto Ricans. Add on the fact Garcia just beat the clear second best guy in the division and that there isn't really anybody that stands out for him to fight next and you have a career-building keep busy fight until something worthwhile is available at 140 or Garcia moves up to 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThere are better fights at 140 that than Herrera. Lamont Peterson comes to mind with his recent win over Jean, and it's a unification fight for whatever that's worth, even Jean himself is higher ranked. Herrera isn't even ranked in the top ten at the weight class. Sure he'll make a big statement, but what kind of statement? That he can beat Herrera? No one expects him to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWho else is there at 140? Herrera comes to fight, right? It'll be an all-action fight for as long as it lasts and they obviously expect Garcia to make a big statement. I think it's fair to give Garcia a relatively easy fight after his last outing too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFighting in Puerto Rico makes 100% sense to build your fan base, and I agree with that part of the move, but he's taking an easy, showcase opponent. Why take a showcase fight when you beat the boogeyman in the division in your last fight? Onward and upward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Again, fighting in Puerto Rico and attempting to develop a Puerto Rican fan base is smart. I have no problem trying to build up an ethnic fan base and facing Herrera if no one else was available also would make sense, but facing Herrera when other opponents are available makes no sense. How is this fight career building? Explain it to me because clearly I'm dense. Are you looking forward to this match-up? Be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingCotto had an awful lot of easy fights while Top Rank built him into a massive attraction with Puerto Ricans. Add on the fact Garcia just beat the clear second best guy in the division and that there isn't really anybody that stands out for him to fight next and you have a career-building keep busy fight until something worthwhile is available at 140 or Garcia moves up to 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThere are better fights at 140 that than Herrera. Lamont Peterson comes to mind with his recent win over Jean, and it's a unification fight for whatever that's worth, even Jean himself is higher ranked. Herrera isn't even ranked in the top ten at the weight class. Sure he'll make a big statement, but what kind of statement? That he can beat Herrera? No one expects him to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWho else is there at 140? Herrera comes to fight, right? It'll be an all-action fight for as long as it lasts and they obviously expect Garcia to make a big statement. I think it's fair to give Garcia a relatively easy fight after his last outing too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFighting in Puerto Rico makes 100% sense to build your fan base, and I agree with that part of the move, but he's taking an easy, showcase opponent. Why take a showcase fight when you beat the boogeyman in the division in your last fight? Onward and upward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Garcia's last fight was in September 2013. He had many different opponents to choose from in the Golden Boy stable since that time, which has a lot of talent between 135 and 154.
Let's call it for it is: a low-risk, stay busy fight, when there are other, better options available.
Thomas Dulorme is Puerto Rican and he would have been a better stay-busy opponent..
Undercard has started on Showtime extreme.
Danny Jacobs just beat up some Applebee's dishwasher
When I heard "4 of his 9 losses were by KO in the first" the writing was on the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Still that dishwasher packs a punch n has some heart.
He reminded me of that drunk fucker who once wobbled the shit outta Kirkland on boxeo jibberish channel.
herrera fought his ass off and should have gotten the win. total bullshit!!!!