http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
I think the numbers and commentary speak for themselves. I am curious to see what some of you make of it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
I think the numbers and commentary speak for themselves. I am curious to see what some of you make of it.
It's all Obama's fault.
Statistics show Obama has only exacerbated things...but YOUR choice for President wouldn't do that would he Kirkland???Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Liberal Tom Perkins had this to say after comparing Occupy Wall Street to Kristallnacht...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6MCmT-65i0
You do like Thomas Sowell. :)
The important things always left out is that wealth is not finite nor a zero sum game. One person gaining in wealth does note equate or necessitate one person losing wealth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LHBViTZI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDhcqua3_W8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbueX92CKPk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8SLIt7xZxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6FmhXQ32Wo
Series of short videos from Learn Liberty that discuss some of the reality of topics.
Buuuuut fairness!!!!!
You know what's fair??? People who are useful making more than people who are lazy....and that's called Capitalism, thanks for playing ;)
Not going to watch the videos but perhaps you'd like to put their arguments into words?Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
So this clown thinks that people asking for wealth distribution to be ratcheted back to how it was forty years ago is the modern equivalent of the Holocaust?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongStatistics show Obama has only exacerbated things...but YOUR choice for President wouldn't do that would he Kirkland???Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Liberal Tom Perkins had this to say after comparing Occupy Wall Street to Kristallnacht...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6MCmT-65i0
Further proof of how truly simple you are. It's little use arguing with you because no matter how fucking stupid you are you'll always claim to be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He compared OWS to Kristelnacht, not The Holocaust you fucking simp. Just how dumb are you? If you don't understand the difference between the two then may God help you because you're far dumber than most
Mile's video misrepresents the issues. If you can't be bothered to watch a couple 2-5 min videos then I can't be bothered to explain much further.Quote:
Not going to watch the videos but perhaps you'd like to put their arguments into words?
Inequality does need to be tacked in a fair and just society. People need to be provided the opportunites to move on in life and be a real part of society. Education, training and employment are ways to progress for the lower class citizens.
And in America they get that. The issue the lefties have is inequality of OUTCOME not opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I would argue that the rich have the issue with this. They want their billions to go to their offspring and I disagree. It should all be taken away. In the end you are all equal again, so Paris Hilton, do what you can because if I'm in charge, there is no inheritance. If you haven't earned it, then we are taking it away from you. If your father hides the money away, then we will investigate as that will be illegal and you will become a normal person. Shoulda a studied at school, eh or become a high flight hooker.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd in America they get that. The issue the lefties have is inequality of OUTCOME not opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
If the outcomes are even more inequality then the opportunities may not be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd in America they get that. The issue the lefties have is inequality of OUTCOME not opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
so we want the government to solve this problem. Inequality of wealth is defined by someone making more than you.
It does not have to end there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
People who have access to better education, health and job opportunities maintain those and their children are likely to become the next judges, doctors and businessmen with relative ease. The same opportunities need to be made available for people that do not have easy access to them.
I just have very little faith in the government fixing things especially after they play a large part in creating them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt does not have to end there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
People who have access to better education, health and job opportunities maintain those and their children are likely to become the next judges, doctors and businessmen with relative ease. The same opportunities need to be made available for people that do not have easy access to them.
Governments have allowed it to continue, their job is to create these opportunities by opening up these institutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI just have very little faith in the government fixing things especially after they play a large part in creating them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt does not have to end there.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
People who have access to better education, health and job opportunities maintain those and their children are likely to become the next judges, doctors and businessmen with relative ease. The same opportunities need to be made available for people that do not have easy access to them.
What?!?! That makes no senseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf the outcomes are even more inequality then the opportunities may not be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd in America they get that. The issue the lefties have is inequality of OUTCOME not opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Walrus, your government is so incredibly corrupt, that nothing it says will work will actually work. We are at the point where the systems are useless and where only civil disobediance is going to kick start any changes. Basically people need to get bloody noses and arrests. It's the only way. If not then it continues unrelenting until we are all suffocated on this planet one way or another.
That makes total sense, read it again and try to understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat?!?! That makes no senseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf the outcomes are even more inequality then the opportunities may not be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd in America they get that. The issue the lefties have is inequality of OUTCOME not opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
No it doesn't! We pour money into shitty inner city schools and have affirmative action to give children at risk a great chance at succeeding but there's still a gap....not my problem man
So where is the problem and why is it not working?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Close to 300 millionaire senators. About 300 people having more cash then 300 million others combined. Government's in the west have lost touch. Its like they are a totally different species. Canada is just as bad. At least US senators are elected. Harper is a gimp. The response from his office a week ago after yet another rail disaster was "we will discuss this emergency once parliament resumes next week"
I don't disagree with your views but you point out our government when this corruption and wealth gap is worldwide. I do disagree with your views on inheritance taxes. That money has already been taxed throughout someone's lifetime. If they choose to leave it to family so be it. How many times do we need the government getting its hands at someone's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I do know when I was bringing home a small paycheck due to the level of work I was doing I never blamed the government. I found much of my abilities to be self fulfilling.
In your own country it is expanding at ridiculous rates. Other countries are bad, but the US has super rich people that basically control the globe. It's rather sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't disagree with your views but you point out our government when this corruption and wealth gap is worldwide. I do disagree with your views on inheritance taxes. That money has already been taxed throughout someone's lifetime. If they choose to leave it to family so be it. How many times do we need the government getting its hands at someone's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I do know when I was bringing home a small paycheck due to the level of work I was doing I never blamed the government. I found much of my abilities to be self fulfilling.
If it is worldwide, it is because of the Chicago school of economic corruption and their wonderful ability to wipe out entire nations fiscally. America is following the trends and the only thing stopping it becoming Greece is the Don mentality and a military.
Welfare....why work when you can mooch?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo where is the problem and why is it not working?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
So what is your solution have no welfare?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWelfare....why work when you can mooch?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo where is the problem and why is it not working?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yes, I'm so dumb I spend all day in my mother's basement playing video games and surfing the internet. Oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFurther proof of how truly simple you are. It's little use arguing with you because no matter how fucking stupid you are you'll always claim to be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He compared OWS to Kristelnacht, not The Holocaust you fucking simp. Just how dumb are you? If you don't understand the difference between the two then may God help you because you're far dumber than most
So this guy is comparing the freedom of speech of a section of society who are advocating a return of 1970s era wealth distribution policies to a precursor event of the Holocaust. And it's Kristallnacht.
How does it misrepresent the issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I don't know....I won't watch the video....I mean what's good for the goose is good enough to tell you to fuck off and swallow a shotgun barrelQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHow does it misrepresent the issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Go re-read my original post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHow does it misrepresent the issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
And it says
"One person gaining in wealth does note [sic] equate or necessitate one person losing wealth."
And that's true. Total wealth keeps increasing in capitalist economic systems. And that's a great thing. The problem comes when all that wealth accrues to just a small percentage of the total population. That's when the economy becomes unbalanced and ceases to function well, the situation we have now.
Wealth isn't finite though. So if you agree with the quoted part then you should also agree that you can raise the wages/wealth of one level w/o lowering anothers. The appropriate policy discussions for how to get lower and middle class increased wealth/wages would be for these groups to put more value on not going to prison, not having children to they are ready, education, acquiring job skills, saving money, financial planning and deferred gratification but blaming wealthy people and creating a victim mentality sells better for the polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You can't just create wealth out of nothing. Even if you print money (in normal economic conditions, current situation not remotely normal) you just devalue it. Wealth is earned by increased economic activity and productivity. That wealth is then distributed through the economic system. And if it's distributed very unequally, like it is currently, it leads to a fucked up economic system, like we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieWealth isn't finite though. So if you agree with the quoted part then you should also agree that you can raise the wages/wealth of one level w/o lowering anothers. The appropriate policy discussions for how to get lower and middle class increased wealth/wages would be for these groups to put more value on not going to prison, not having children to they are ready, education, acquiring job skills, saving money, financial planning and deferred gratification but blaming wealthy people and creating a victim mentality sells better for the polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Excuse me, but I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole "fucked up economic system"....could you be specific about what exactly is "fucked up" other than Rich people have money and Poor people don't? because it looks like that's your argument and well....that's really fucking weakQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I never claimed you can create wealth out of nothing but you also don't create it through redistribution efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Well you have the zero lower bound, billions of dollars of quantative easing, the central bank balance sheet quadrupling overnight and being filled with assorted toxic crap making it look like the balance sheet of some third world central bank, all the biggest banks are zombie banks being kept alive with a massive amount of central bank liquidity, massive demand shortfall in the real economy coupled with a lack of credit, massive business overcapacity, significant long term unemployment with all the future problems that brings, over 90% of the economic revovery since 2008 going to the top 1% when over 75% of the economic recovery 1929-46 went to the bottom 50%, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongExcuse me, but I'm kind of fuzzy on the whole "fucked up economic system"....could you be specific about what exactly is "fucked up" other than Rich people have money and Poor people don't? because it looks like that's your argument and well....that's really fucking weakQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And to top it all the authorities are trying to get out of the mess with much the same policies that created the mess in the first place.
You don't need to. Redistributing national income more equitably means you get a balanced stable economy with no huge economic creshes, mass unemployment etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieI never claimed you can create wealth out of nothing but you also don't create it through redistribution efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing