I don't know what the heck HBO is doing, but Ward needs to fight. Kovalev?
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I don't know what the heck HBO is doing, but Ward needs to fight. Kovalev?
I think HBO has Ward vs the LHWs in mind but on the back burner while they fight each other 1st. Adonis and Kovalev bring great ratings, I don't think they want anything tripping that up. Not that Ward would surely win against either but he certainly could.
Why Kovalev and Stevenson would be fighting anyone other than each other is beyond me.
How could you ask for a better set up than what we have? Both guys fought on the same night, destroyed their opponents, so lets make that fight.
Agreed. Ward needs to find somebody to fight in the meantime, but if Kovalev-Stevenson does indeed happen, his moving up to fight the winner would be a big deal. The winner of Hopkins-Shumenov might want first dibs on that though, who knows. Even at 175 there aren't really any great opponents for Ward outside of those 4, he's in a tough spot.
Ward should stick at super middleweight and show Froch, Groves et al how it should really be done. :)
The short sightedness of boxing fans will never cease to amaze me.
Kovalev and Stevenson are so great because they haven't fought and destroyed each other yet. Let them fight a few times and look devastating with their wins--let them make you some money and generate some hype with more than just die hard boxing fans before you cash them in for the big money fight against each other.
If you put Stevenson against Kovalev in April and Kovalev destroys Stevenson(or vice versa) what happens next? Who do they fight? How do they make themselves and their network any money?
You have to plan the career and groom the big fights with purpose.
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I hear you, but this way of thinking absolutely ruined a Gamboa vs. Juanma super fight a few years ago.
When its time, its time.
I loved watching Juanma get destroyed by Salido (TWICE!!!)... and chances are he would have been destroyed by Gamboa in a similar manner but there would have been no rematch because Juanma was supposed to beat Salido. So we got two exciting and unexpected ass whoopings instead of one. How can that be bad??Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I hear you, but this way of thinking absolutely ruined a Gamboa vs. Juanma super fight a few years ago.
When its time, its time.
I've come around to this thinking lately. Way too many puffed up mega stars turn in a softy. But the great intrique here are the styles . Both can cave heads and it makes us jacked for it. We're talking guys who..much more so with Kovalev..was being labeled a one deminsional bomber riding Unimas and Fox cards. Wrongly it turns out :-X...These two in particular deserve a ride. The thing is if its "super" then super happens! If during the build up and expanding base a 'favorite' gets legitimately sparked then SO BE IT. That avenue in and of itself opens up a huge part of boxings attraction and draw...interest and new blood! Thanks for not wasting my time and focus if you couldn't live up to the chatter! Gamboa v Lopez is actually a good example...both fell off and at the end of the day through no ones fault but there own, and Salido maybe. Just enjoy the damn ride and the cream rises to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
But we know he would do the same thing to Froch what he did the first time, and Groves def ain't on that level of Ward- he just had a great night against Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ward needs to fight, and unless he makes a catchweight downwards to fight Quillin/GGG/Martinez, the only option is upwards- Kovalev or Stevenson. He already beat Dawson, as weight drained Dawson. Stevenson destroyed a hydrated Dawson in the first round. If anyone that has a call up card for Ward it's Stevenson.
Hopkins said he will duck Ward at all cost. Pascal and Bute can fill in for the time being, but Bute will (and should) take softer fights until he gets his confidence back up. Pascal can be game... he was ringside at the Dawson beating by Stevenson, and he beat Dawson before Ward did.
Pascal and Steveson make perfect sense for a Ward match-up. We can believe in these fights and they can become mega fights if they package it properly.... and stop trying to short-change Ward.
I do agree here. This is why the Thurman/Garcia showdown, which we all expect, won't happen this year and most likely will be a build up for 2015. Mid 2015. Broner was in that mix but lost out....Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
i would like for ward to fight the winner of bhop/shumenov and then the winner of that fights the winner of kovalev/stevenson. ward should take a tune up fight at 175 first though. maybe pascal?
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccoI loved watching Juanma get destroyed by Salido (TWICE!!!)... and chances are he would have been destroyed by Gamboa in a similar manner but there would have been no rematch because Juanma was supposed to beat Salido. So we got two exciting and unexpected ass whoopings instead of one. How can that be bad??Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I hear you, but this way of thinking absolutely ruined a Gamboa vs. Juanma super fight a few years ago.
When its time, its time.
I too would have picked Gamboa and I too enjoyed the Salido upset victories in Puerto Rico.
However, a Gamboa vs. Lopez showdown would have been something special. Now it means jack shit.
Pascal may not be a tune up, exactly... lololol.... but he can get a tune up.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
pascal isnt that great. it would be an easy fight for ward. that is why i consider it a tune up for him. plus, pascal came up from 168 so he would be fighting a smaller LHW to get used to the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaPascal may not be a tune up, exactly... lololol.... but he can get a tune up.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I hear ya... but Pascal is still too dangerous to be considered a tune up. You just don't know with boxing at times. Besides, Pascal is more like a championship fight. Somewhat of a mega fight for Ward at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherpascal isnt that great. it would be an easy fight for ward. that is why i consider it a tune up for him. plus, pascal came up from 168 so he would be fighting a smaller LHW to get used to the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaPascal may not be a tune up, exactly... lololol.... but he can get a tune up.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
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