Without a question... he is the most ducked middleweight out there. Even GGG can get fights. No one is running from anyone MORE than they are running from Quillin.
They don't want to lose to him.
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Without a question... he is the most ducked middleweight out there. Even GGG can get fights. No one is running from anyone MORE than they are running from Quillin.
They don't want to lose to him.
Yea probably the most called out middleweight in the division yet never fights anyone with a pulse. Also looks shit when he does fight. He is definitely avoided. Clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
This is a joke, right? ;D
I like Quillin but he didn't exactly set the boxing world on fire with his performance in the Rosado fight...
Or the ndam fight or the McEwan fight or the Wright fight. He's a good boxer but to think in his current way he's better then GGG or Martinez is sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Why won't they make the fight, then? Make the fight with Quillin. He's there!!! They won't make the fight because they are AFRAID of his power and the event they may lose to him. Quillin is the top rated Middleweight in the business. Bar none!
Who? GGG cant make the fight because of the cold war. Stevens and Macklin have called him out. Likelihood is he'll fight one of them next. I hope its Stevens because I think he can beat Quillin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
He's not number one, that's Martinez. Quillin is improved and frankly all the jibber jabber after the Rosado fight was off the mark I think. Quillin beat his ass fair and square and that was nothing similar to effective aggression by Rosado. What it was was a lot of wasted sizzle and little fire and walking into a perfect counter shot for the cut. Golovkin is in a perfect position to be the shot caller and well earned but lets not get carried away like he has faced a murderers row. I don't see anyone ducking each other. Politics and posturing right now but hopefully they'll get it on. Stevens needs to get back in line, Brinkley boxes your ears, Quillin can solve his one gear sure enough.
I like Quillan but his best bet is to make a number of defences and make some money before he loses against the best in the weight. He is not a top class fighter but who knows after a couple of years when Sergio retires and maybe GGG moves/gets exposed he will become the number 1 at the weight.
Quillin is basis :-X Danny Jacobs would beat him easy :p
Kinda looks like the domo Kun... :domo-kun: ...after the drugs wore off and the dancing stopped ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
What the hell happened to Dmitry Pirog? He looked like a freaking tank in his dismantling of a really good fighter in Daniel Jacobs and has since gone off the radar. I know he picked up a trinket, but is he relevant here? He's an undefeated big Russian, 2014 very well could be the year of the Russian in boxing (2013 probably was), where is he in all this? Off topic I know.
Quillin is a very good fighter and has beben a lot better than I expected him to be after the early hype in his career based off a couple squashes on FNF. Still, not sure you can elevate him to the status Martinez has and that Golovkin gained last year. Golovkin may have done it on pure style points, but it was impressive nonetheless. I think Quillin gets a little too much flack for his performance against Rosado, he boxed beautifully but doesn't have the physical strength to keep someone like Rosado off. Don't think he will be in good shape against a guy with a thudding jab like Golovkin though. Don't think he has anything to keep GGG off much less win rounds against him. Martinez he could beat though, especially if Martinez can't return to his previous form. Just don't think those legs will ever have the same spring for Martinez, unfortunately.
Still don't know what to think of Quillin at the top level, he seems a bit stiff legged and might need more space than some guys would give him. Rosado's bravado in that fight probably skewed how ineffective he was for the most part, but there were still times when he had Quillin looking lost. Then you take the fight before that, and it's Quillin who seemed to lack skills and pull it out by being the stronger guy, N'dam pretty much won every round he wasn't dropped in. I agree Martinez might never get back to good form, I don't know how anyone could be confident otherwise going by the Murray fight, that wasn't the same guy who fought Pavlik or Williams.
Pirog has had some bad back injury that's kept him out forever, last I heard he was merely hoping to comeback and that was last year or something. It's a shame, he really did look great against Jacobs imo, very clever, tough style.
Pirog has injuries... he was old when he got into the game, even though he's skilled. Some people age more quickly than others. Not everyone can be a B-Hop.
Quillin just isn't graceful. Don't mistake lack of grace and fight smoothness with ability... sure, it looks good to look good. But some people just are fighters- Quillin is a fighter.
JCC Sr. wasn't that graceful. He was just a winner. Felix Trinidad wasn't graceful. In fact, Quillin has more grace at this stage than Trinidad had at this particular stage. The only thing Trinidad had was a sweeping left hook that he learned to refine over the years. But in terms of footwork, ring movement, slipping punches and to some extent, CONSISTENT COUNTER-PUNCHING, he was always lack luster.
I agree.. quillin and jacobs are my favorites at 160..
I wish pirog was active in the division..
Kid chocolate cant Draw outside of new York. His balance is horrible. All the fighters you mention above Had a few things in common. They knew how to set up punches and corral an opponent. Tito was a very linear fighter. His lateral movement was not good but he didn't go all crazy legged in bursts like Quillin. After a few rounds quillin gets stiff in the knees, he loses any spring in his step and his feet get heavy. He waits On big misses and tries to capitalize on the counter or for opponents to slug with him. If he doesn't get either he's SOL. Chavez and Tito would force boxers to fight and out tough punchers.they systematically stalked and engaged and broke a fighter down. Quillin is a different animal, I call him a professional sucker puncher he's looking for opportunity to make it easy on himself but rarely fights out of his comfort zone and fights in bursts followed by lulls trying to preserve himself and wait for an opportunity to fall in his lap. He's a shortcut kind of guy. A guy with a sharp jab and good lateral movement can turn quillen with a jab,rake the body and circle out all night ; stalling him out indefinitely by never letting him get set. Good chin, good power, and is dangerous when cornered..bad footwork and bad habits that need to be corrected(his feet tend to get wide when he's on the run and they are not under him like the should be when he's punching unless he gets cornered.his head movement could be better) he really buys into his nickname and fights like he stepped out of another era. The problem is most elite fighters have adapted to a style that has been refined over generations, shortening and streamlining movements and making the best of kinetics. If he's to fight with the type of consistency he needs to be elite,he needs to apply Himself to his craft and learn to create his own opportunities and dictate the pace of a fight in a way that favors his style. No one is scared of the guy, hes just a guy that cost more to fight than youd win after beating him. You beat him and everything is the same as it was the day before. You spent 3 months training, beat someone every knows would lose when he fought someone who fought to win rather than conquer, and now your stuck paying sanctioning fees for the strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Just my opinion, of course.
Yeah Quillin either needs to spit or get off the pot :p Jacobs would be a good test and go a way to establishing something :-\
I hope that fight actually gets made. Would be a good one and I think Danny Jacobs is very live, he's looked great in his last fights and has the tools to win. I almost don't want to see the guy step up quickly and get hurt, given to his great cancer comeback story, but then J_Undisputed is always right. Quillin will clearly be exposed quite thoroughly, Jacobs probably has the tools to beat him I'd say. Murray or Sturm as well perhaps, Quillin is the weakest middleweight champion imo. He wouldn't beat Martinez or Golovkin on april fools.
Agree Jacobs has an excellent story behind him :D what a way to get back in the limelight. Whats the hold up :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I:dance:Do not :wackomz4: know :drinker::fighting0043gi5:Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaAgree Jacobs has an excellent story behind him :D what a way to get back in the limelight. Whats the hold up :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Some guys say Sergio... some are willing to go with GGG... and me, and a few others, are going with Quillin.
I think it's fair to say that we can't, or shouldn't, judge fighters and their ability based on how graceful they look in the ring.
Wlad looks terrible... Vitali is 10000 x's more graceful in the ring... but he is the man and the best HW in the business today.
We are not juding him by how gracefull we are judging on his performances. He was getting out boxed by Ndam and Rosado whos skillset is very limited was holding his own. He has to rely on his power and when he is put in with a good boxer whi can take his power he is going to struggle. This is why GGG is better then him because if his power isnt getting rid of a guy his skill is winning rounds for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Wlad is never out-boxed because he doesn't box- he wrestles and punches. lololol...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWe are not juding him by how gracefull we are judging on his performances. He was getting out boxed by Ndam and Rosado whos skillset is very limited was holding his own. He has to rely on his power and when he is put in with a good boxer whi can take his power he is going to struggle. This is why GGG is better then him because if his power isnt getting rid of a guy his skill is winning rounds for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Ward does similar things in his fight. Yet hes American so ull eat his shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWlad is never out-boxed because he doesn't box- he wrestles and punches. lololol...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWe are not juding him by how gracefull we are judging on his performances. He was getting out boxed by Ndam and Rosado whos skillset is very limited was holding his own. He has to rely on his power and when he is put in with a good boxer whi can take his power he is going to struggle. This is why GGG is better then him because if his power isnt getting rid of a guy his skill is winning rounds for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I'm not American... secondly, Wlad doesn't win outstandingly either. Ward does.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWard does similar things in his fight. Yet hes American so ull eat his shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWlad is never out-boxed because he doesn't box- he wrestles and punches. lololol...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWe are not juding him by how gracefull we are judging on his performances. He was getting out boxed by Ndam and Rosado whos skillset is very limited was holding his own. He has to rely on his power and when he is put in with a good boxer whi can take his power he is going to struggle. This is why GGG is better then him because if his power isnt getting rid of a guy his skill is winning rounds for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
80+ clinches and multiple headbutts v Kesseller would speak otherwise. Wlad has barely lost a round in the past 6 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not American... secondly, Wlad doesn't win outstandingly either. Ward does.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWard does similar things in his fight. Yet hes American so ull eat his shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWlad is never out-boxed because he doesn't box- he wrestles and punches. lololol...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWe are not juding him by how gracefull we are judging on his performances. He was getting out boxed by Ndam and Rosado whos skillset is very limited was holding his own. He has to rely on his power and when he is put in with a good boxer whi can take his power he is going to struggle. This is why GGG is better then him because if his power isnt getting rid of a guy his skill is winning rounds for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Ward hasn't lost many rounds either... one stinky fight, opposed to Wlad's natural fighting style??Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe80+ clinches and multiple headbutts v Kesseller would speak otherwise. Wlad has barely lost a round in the past 6 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not American... secondly, Wlad doesn't win outstandingly either. Ward does.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWard does similar things in his fight. Yet hes American so ull eat his shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWlad is never out-boxed because he doesn't box- he wrestles and punches. lololol...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWe are not juding him by how gracefull we are judging on his performances. He was getting out boxed by Ndam and Rosado whos skillset is very limited was holding his own. He has to rely on his power and when he is put in with a good boxer whi can take his power he is going to struggle. This is why GGG is better then him because if his power isnt getting rid of a guy his skill is winning rounds for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
:rolleyes: