I watched the tyson v lennox fight, and after the fight they refer to him as a boxer-puncher
Is that a combination of a boxer and a slugger? What kind of a fighting style did he have? (Im relatively new to boxing)
Thanks :)
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I watched the tyson v lennox fight, and after the fight they refer to him as a boxer-puncher
Is that a combination of a boxer and a slugger? What kind of a fighting style did he have? (Im relatively new to boxing)
Thanks :)
Not necessarily a slugger but a natural boxer with power. Either slugging power (Foreman) or hit you with 3-4 punches an KO you (Swarmer) power (Pac). A boxer with KO ability.
Nonetheless at the roots a boxer.
Some say the boxer-puncher is the hybrid 4th style of boxing.
look up lewis' ko of rahman in their second fight. one of the hardest punches ive seen!
Lewis is my favorite hw of all time. He was the complete package.
He was one of those guys who weren't appreciated enough while active but everytime I watch his career set, I appreciate him more and more.
Steward trained lewis would beat every hw in the historey of boxing. People put a prime tyson on that invincible status but lewis would have beaten any version of him.
Lewis would have knocked Joe Louis the fuck out in 5 rounds or less and guys like marciano and frazier would have got carried out on a stretcher.
Lewis was a great boxer with an excellent amateur background and yeah when he took revenge on Rahman he seriously banged him out with a huge right hand.
Avenged all his loses and there was never any trouble or personal shit with Lennox inside or outside the ring.
Boxer/puncher sums him up perfectly and he was a great tactician too.
Helps he had Steward with him largely but Lennox remains one of my all time favourite fighters :)
Yep defo top 5 all time HW for me.
People starting to appreciate him more and more. Lost to a freak punch from McCall (could he have carried on not sure ??) and lost for being a lazy bastard against Rahman - though the rematch proves the gulf in class.
Up there with Benn and Gatti as my favourite ever fighters (witnessed in my lifetime)
Id have loved Tyson Fury to get a shot at a prime Lewis.
Lennox was robotic at the end of it.... def a boxer-puncher. He had massive power and when he hit you, and was accurate, more than likely it was lights out.
Lennox also set up his punches more than anyone else I have seen in the HW division.
To give comparison- Riddick Bowe was puncher-boxer. More like a slugger-boxer. Riddick boxed when after he found out he couldn't blast away guys at the top of the division.
Larry Holmes was a boxer-hitter. Holmes wasn't a big puncher, he just hit you repeatedly after he put you in position.
Holyfield was a counter puncher-boxer. Evander was a crap boxer. But he had fast hands and countered you with heavy hands. This is why Evander couldn't win against Lennox- Lennox gave him nothing hit as Lennox was an excellently skilled boxer. And, when Holyfield tried to turn it up, when he could, he got hit and hit hard- so, it eased his attack.
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Holyfield pre-Bowe was an excellent boxer. After the Bowe fights he slowed down, quit using his excellent footwork and his excellent head movement.
Lennox was probably Canada's greatest ever boxer.
It's funny this thread just popped up because I ordered the Lennox Lewis carrer set on Sunday. Can't wait to get it.
Lennox Lewis?
He just looks like an intelligent chilled out guy, kinda the antithesis of what a boxer should be. At least by saddo standards. ;)
It means he was technically skilled as a boxer but had big power, much like a Tommy Hearns.
Power punchers CAN be crude in the delivery of their power, they can be stiff, robotic, or throw wide loopy punches. What made Lennox special was that he could be as he described a "pugilist specialist" because he was able to use the sweet science, the hit and don't get hit skill, but in the delivery of his punches he unloaded a lot of power but in a good clean, straight, technically correct manner.
He was an excellent counter-puncher throughout his entire career. His controlled aggression was his calling card after he caught you in the exchanges. But as for boxing ability, he was average- Moorer had better boxing ability and skills than Holyfield.Quote:
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Holyfield pre-Bowe was an excellent boxer. After the Bowe fights he slowed down, quit using his excellent footwork and his excellent head movement.
Maybe I am in the minority, but I didn't see Lewis as a great boxer. He was a boring plodder and seemed to get inordinate pride in beating a truly great fighter over a decade beyond being all that good. Prime Tyson would have killed him.
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Born and raised in East London until about 9-10 years old so yes very Canadian.
His mum moved their if I remember right so obviously he had no say as a teenager.
Top fighter absolutely no doubt about it.
What kind of boxer was Lennox Lewis - a fucking good one is the answer.
For me he beats any other former champion best of 3 fights.
Lennox was a perfect example of a boxer-puncher.
A boxer-puncher has the same goal as the slugger/brawler: he's looking to land that big punch and knock the guy out. But the two styles are fundamentally different, in that the boxer-puncher uses his exceptional boxing skill (jab, movement, countering, angles, ect) to set up that big power punch. The boxer-puncher is actively trying to find openings for the finish, but he doesn't force the issue like the brawler - he doesn't take stupid risks and leave himself exposed like the brawler. George Foreman pre-retirement was more of a brawler/slugger, but when he came back he became more of a boxer-puncher.
Guys like Lennox, Joe Louis, Alexis Arguello, and so many other immediately spring to mind.
You certainly are in the minority, and I really hope that's a very small minority, because it takes a lot of bias against Lennox or just pure idiocy to not acknowledge Lennox as a "great" fighter.Quote:
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Great champion and must be acknowledged as one of the greatest HW champs in the history of the sport.Quote:
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Barring his two lapses against Rahman and McCall (which he paid for dearly), he was very close to being the perfect HW fighter. He would give his opponents no chance, and forced everyone to fight him on his terms.
He could play it safe and stink out the joint if he needed to (Tua), but if he thought he could get you out of there he had an incredible nasty side, and he could take a top-ranked HW and just brutalize him and get him out of there early.
I think he was 12 in fact. Proper little cockney went he went over there.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Born and raised in East London until about 9-10 years old so yes very Canadian.
His mum moved their if I remember right so obviously he had no say as a teenager.
Top fighter absolutely no doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanI think he was 12 in fact. Proper little cockney went he went over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Born and raised in East London until about 9-10 years old so yes very Canadian.
His mum moved their if I remember right so obviously he had no say as a teenager.
Top fighter absolutely no doubt about it.
He was down West Ham a few weeks back and gave a speach to the players who have now shot back up the table.
He used to have a luxury car hire place in Sudbury just down the road from me back in the day.
Strange but true :)
Lmfao, What are the freakin odds of the head landing where it did? I've used the pic in so many threads over the years.Quote:
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Just behind Langford and Dixon imo. Matthew Hilton could have done something. To bad he was such a Fkin weirdo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHe was an excellent counter-puncher throughout his entire career. His controlled aggression was his calling card after he caught you in the exchanges. But as for boxing ability, he was average- Moorer had better boxing ability and skills than Holyfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by cambay411Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Holyfield pre-Bowe was an excellent boxer. After the Bowe fights he slowed down, quit using his excellent footwork and his excellent head movement.
Whether or not Moorer had better boxing ability is a debatable opinion I suppose.
Has far as Holyfield being an average boxer, I would agree if we were talking about older Hoyfield. In his prime days his footwork and head movement made him an exceptional boxer. This is really what made Holyfield in his early days imo. When he got older he relied too much on brawling, counter punching and pure toughness.
He was more of a pure brawler in his older days. In his younger days he could stick and move.
Lennox was a boxer and with his reach, height and size he would be stupid to do anything else. He did like to mix it if he had to and he did with Mercer and Golota.
Lennox was quality...... Couple of hiccups but he reigned right through to beating Klitchko.
Evander was the real deal.
Mike who?
He was a great mix of natural ease with the ability to punch holes in you. An ideal mix really, one appreciated more and more in hindsight for this fan.
lennox is an alltime great I rank him inthe top 10 as his power was awesome, 1 punch ko power, and boxing skills impeccable. His occasional laziness and at times questionable chin push him far up the list howeer to about #9 or 10 IMHO. His laziness and questionable chin. These 2 negatives and his getting knocked the fuck out twice with single shots from mediocre heavies.......
It's a boxer style with the punching power of a slugger.
Or more specifically an outfighter who can also bang it out when he has to as well.
A boxer who is both a technician and a puncher.