Too versatile, just as fast if not faster, better chin for SURE. Leonard KO 10.
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Too versatile, just as fast if not faster, better chin for SURE. Leonard KO 10.
it would definately be an interesting fight
floyd has a tougher time with fighters with a bit of speed
If you don't get hit you don't need a chin. But I disagree SRL had a much better one. He was stopped remember.
Plus Leonard was getting dropped all over the place in his last few fights (even before the Camacho fight) and he was only 35, Floyd is 37.
Floyd out points his IMO.
I don't think anyone ko's floyd . I'd say Leonard SD in a close classic fight
i agree that SRL wins. he is just better and floyd fighting guys with speed doesnt suit him well.
In a 15 rounder Floyd would have retired.... by round 12 or 13....
Floyd hates guys that have high punch volumes... Floyd can't handle pressure... continual pressure. Take a look at the Emanuel Agustus fight, and you would see WHY Floyd said it was his toughest fight and WHY Castilo gave him problems in the first fight and WHY he will NEVER fight Manny Pacqioua.
In fact, the other Sugar, Sugar Shane Mosely, if he had fought Shane when Shane was at his peak, Shane would have knocked him spark out... it would have been a massacre.
no way any version of Mosley ko's Floyd or even beats him. No wayQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
An injured floyd sr took srl 10 rounds.
He couldnt use his best hand during the whole fight..
Believe it or not when I think about this hypothetical fight I think about the ODLH vs Floyd fight.
imo, with ODLH height and snap he could put on his punches would have won that fight if he just would have landed only a handful of more punches.
Floyd was on the defensive the whole fight and ODLH didn't land a punch almost. A younger ODLH could have had the conditioning and speed to take this fight imo.
This fight matters to me because Sugar Ray had this kind of umph on his punches only he picks his shots much better, sets things up much better and is even faster with better footwork.
I dont see Sugar Ray KO'ing Floyd but I see Floyd going into a defensive shell, Sugar landing more punches than ODLH, not getting hit as much as ODLH and winning a UA.
It could possibly be an exciting fight and Sugar win by KO late. I say this because in the toughest fight Floyd ever had against Castillo 1 he did open up and go toe to toe with Castillo so I know its in there for him to make a mistake and leave his game plan. I think Sugar could trick him into this mistake.
Close fight. Very close fight. Floyd would have to be all kinds of defensive to stop his face from melting under the heat - but he could do it and make it look easy if he really wanted to. Just would have to be very negative - move move move move move.
Do you honestly believe that Floyd couldn't go 15 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Anyone that has seen the prime Sugar Ray Leonard knows Ray wins that one.
Ray Leonard was just an all around better fighter.
In 1978 when 22 year old Leonard boxed the almost 26 year old Floyd Sr, Leonard was a novice having turned pro just the year before in 1977.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
In contrast, Floyd Sr had been a pro since 1974!
Basically Floyd Sr was just one of those tomato cans that managers feed to real prospects to develop the prospect in the early stages. At that point, despite Floyd's longer career and deceptively decent record of 15-1, there was not a single fighter of consequence that he had fought. Several of Floyd Sr's opponents had more losses than wins!
Floyd's experience was enough for him to fight a survival-minded fight for 10 rds, basically Floyd's goal was to see the final bell without getting knocked out.... and he almost made it getting stopped in the last rd!
Yeah, ask duran that in the first fight..Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
He tried to fight peak Shane numerous times, it was always Shane ducking and dodging Mayweather. That's a documented, certified fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Other than punching power, what did Ray Leonard do better than Floyd? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
I can't believe the shit some of you guys are getting on with.
Floyd can't handle pressure?
Floyd can't handle speed?
What the fuck? ;D
Round and round in circles all the time..Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Shane ducked floyd as he had a toothache (video on youtube)
Floyd owns all versions of shane inc post steroid.
Floyd has never been beaten and had a torn muscle in the 1st castillo fight so to prove there wasnt any doubts rematched him and put on a clinic.
He doesnt run away from rematches and showed the world what a fully fit floyd does the second time round.
As for the crap about 15 rounds, floyd gets into his prime around the 9th round and he never looks tired.
Just accept he is the greatest and only a prime roy jones at his weight would possibly dethrone him..
Mosely in his prime was a finisher... plus had more energy and more power... and early Mosley stops Floyd.
Sugar Ray Leonard was one of the greatest welterweights ever, maybe Robinson was better. Floyd does not belong in that bracket as champions at that weight. He is at best tier 2 of the greats along with Oscar, Tito and maybe Whitaker.
faster hands and better combinations. floyd has quick hands but leonards hands were lightning fast. ive never seen floyd throw as fast as i have seen leonard throw. also, leonard has great combinations that are nearly unmatched in all of boxing history.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerOther than punching power, what did Ray Leonard do better than Floyd? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
I can't believe the shit some of you guys are getting on with.
Floyd can't handle pressure?
Floyd can't handle speed?
What the fuck? ;D
their footwork is probably about even along with their chin and conditioning. as mentioned before, i wouldnt say that leonard is on a completely different level than floyd, but stylistically, leonard wins fairly easy.
Floyd isn't a natural WW so perhaps its unfair to compare them.
No one past or present beats floyd at 147
Floyd owns 140-147 until someone beats him.
Duran's one of the Greatest fighters in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by impYeah, ask duran that in the first fight..Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
I don't see the point you're trying to make.
Duran, a natural lightweight 135 (same day weigh-ins back then) decided to go up to Welter 147 and fight one of the Greatest Welterweights there's ever been.
floyd is not the greatest at 140-147---the fllowing would beat him---
aaron pryor
roberto duran
sugar ray robinson
sugar ray leonard
hell even a prime oscar de la hoya beats floyd at 147.
I refuse to believe that somebody actually thinks SRR had faster hands and better combinations than Floyd Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're used to seeing modern Mayweather and haven't seen his older fights in quite some time.
For your own sake, please go back and watch Floyd from 10 years ago.
To be fair to SRL, Floyd was also the smaller man, so it's not that impressive that he was faster than SRL.
Lol yea in your opinion. These threads are pointlessQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Obviously it is his own opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Lol yea in your opinion. These threads are pointlessQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Add to the list Hearns, and possibly Curry, Tito, Honeygan,
SRL wipes the floor with Floyd, don't kid yourselves in the 80's Mayweather would be nothing
special, I could see him being KO by about 4 or 5 fighters.
Hearns would put Floyd in by by land, McCallum would have beat the shit out of him, remember
the best facing the best that's the 80's.;)
Floyd deserves credit for his most recent opponents since 2011 because they are good young top fighters, but his cherry-picking circa 2002-2010 was basically ridiculous.
In all my decades as a fan of this sport, I've NEVER seen ducking and cherry-picking taken to that level... and the Boxing establishment and fans allowed him to get away with it! Hatton is the sole top prime fighter Floyd stepped in with in those 8 years.
At Welterweight since 2005, I don't think Floyd was even the best in that one weight class in his own era let alone All-Time!
Paul Williams would have taken him as would Margarito, and I think Pacquiao too when he went to Welter in 2009. And Floyd wasn't interested in fighting Shane circa 2005-2008 when Shane was still good and in the Top 3, nah, Floyd waited till 2010 when Shane was 38 years old.
Even Joshua Clottey or Andre Berto would've been a step up for Floyd instead of spending his prime years 2005-2010 calling up little guys, boxing 2nd tier opponents instead of 1st tier, and guys that were past their prime.
Floyd is a defensive boxing master, perhaps the most technically skilled guy in Boxing right now, but it's too bad that he didn't have half the faith in his own abilities that his crazed fans did.
Recently, he's been fighting top young prime guys, a generation younger in fact, and deserves credit for that. And the dude has kept himself in razor-sharp condition all these years, that's dedication. Maybe he decided that legacy really does mean something to him instead of just the money because at this point, you have to go all the way back to the 2001 Corrales match for a signature fight for this guy. Other than that, where's the classic fights that's worth rewatching where the best fought the best?
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Originally Posted by bradlee180
Ok I'm gonna have to link you to a thread I made with DOCUMENTED PROOF that Floyd CONSISTENTLY called out top, elite guys for the better part of that decade.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...y-45-0-bs.html
Everybody loves to run their mouth and talk about Floyd like he ducked and dodged his whole career, but when I presented DOCUMENTED PROOF, cold-hard facts, video evidence, ect, all the Floyd haters were nowhere to be found.
Included:
-Video of him calling out Prince Naseem (when they were similar weight and Price was a top p4p guy), Casamayor, Frietas, Paul Spadafora, JLC, Kostya Tyszu (when he was the best, before he lost to Hatton), Shane Mosley and De La Hoya.
-Video of Shane putting the kabosh on any talk about fighting Mayweather
-Documented proof of Floyd calling Mosley out in '99 and 2006 (right after Mosley KO'd Vargas).
-Documented proof of Floyd calling Oscar De La Hoya out in 2003, where he offered to jump from 135 to 154 and fight him (a fight that DLH turned down).
What more could the guy do? Don't shit on Floyd for not fighting these guys, because they guys wouldn't get in the ring with him.
Floyd has no confidence in his abilities? He called out Oscar in 2003 (shortly before the Mosley loss) and offered to jump up THREE WEIGHTCLASSES to fight him. This isn't rumor, this is documented, complete with screenshot. Even Floyd's dad said it was suicide, but Floyd was willing to do it to make the fight happen. And DLH wouldn't get in the ring with him.
Fast forward 4 years when DLH finally decides to fight Mayweather and loses, and all of a sudden Floyd is a pussy for fighting DLH when he's old and washed up. It's nonsense.
just because you say you wanna fight someone doesn't mean anything. If he woulda signed the contracts and waited for the other side that's different. He said he wanted to fight Pacquiao too but never did he sign the contract. Daniel Geale said he wants to fight GGG but rejected the date first. I guess he's not ducking GGG either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Ok I'm gonna have to link you to a thread I made with DOCUMENTED PROOF that Floyd CONSISTENTLY called out top, elite guys for the better part of that decade.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...y-45-0-bs.html
Everybody loves to run their mouth and talk about Floyd like he ducked and dodged his whole career, but when I presented DOCUMENTED PROOF, cold-hard facts, video evidence, ect, all the Floyd haters were nowhere to be found.
Included:
-Video of him calling out Prince Naseem (when they were similar weight and Price was a top p4p guy), Casamayor, Frietas, Paul Spadafora, JLC, Kostya Tyszu (when he was the best, before he lost to Hatton), Shane Mosley and De La Hoya.
-Video of Shane putting the kabosh on any talk about fighting Mayweather
-Documented proof of Floyd calling Mosley out in '99 and 2006 (right after Mosley KO'd Vargas).
-Documented proof of Floyd calling Oscar De La Hoya out in 2003, where he offered to jump from 135 to 154 and fight him (a fight that DLH turned down).
What more could the guy do? Don't shit on Floyd for not fighting these guys, because they guys wouldn't get in the ring with him.
Floyd has no confidence in his abilities? He called out Oscar in 2003 (shortly before the Mosley loss) and offered to jump up THREE WEIGHTCLASSES to fight him. This isn't rumor, this is documented, complete with screenshot. Even Floyd's dad said it was suicide, but Floyd was willing to do it to make the fight happen. And DLH wouldn't get in the ring with him.
Fast forward 4 years when DLH finally decides to fight Mayweather and loses, and all of a sudden Floyd is a pussy for fighting DLH when he's old and washed up. It's nonsense.
I'll respond by quoting myself from the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
I'm sure someone will respond "yeah talk is cheap he never had any intention of fighting those guys." Ok, draw upon your knowledge of boxing history: has anyone ever publicly called out a guy that they wanted nothing to do with? NEVER. They either don't mention the person at all as to not draw attention to them, make excuses as to why they can't fight them, or make very non-commital statements like "we'll see how it goes" or "it's up to my promoter". Nobody ever calls out a guy by name that they want to avoid, that's just lunacy.
I'm not going to get into another Floyd/Pac "who's fault was it" debate. If people want to believe Floyd's a pussy, a faggot, is deathly afraid of Pacquaio and never had any intention on fighting him, that's what they're going to believe, whatever.
But you tell me what Floyd had to gain by publicly calling these guys out and not fighting them? Almost all of the guys he called out were bigger names than him at the time.
What people forget is that Floyd wasn't always Money May, the #1 guy in boxing. For a LONG time, he was an ultra-talented virtuoso with no name value, who couldn't draw flies to shit. He was the guy on the outside and he was calling these guys out because he desperately wanted a big money fight that would put him on the map. Why would a guy in that position be ducking and dodging the top guys? It makes absolutely no sense. You'd have to be a moron to believe that.
Floyd doesn't instill fear; all fighters would take the shot for the big payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
What matters is that for 8 years, the most challenging match-ups for Floyd didn't happen.
Basically all of them were ripping each other apart circa 2002-2010; Floyd's the odd man out in the mix of the best prime fighters fighting the best prime fighters.
Obviously he was good, but he played with Boxing so long, we'll never know how good.
At 37 years old and past his prime with slower reflexes, he's still too much for current top prime fighters like Alvarez, Guerrero, and Ortiz, so that's saying something.
It seems he's going the Roy Jones route by fighting the toughest opponents only after he's past his own prime?
Beautiful training montage here by Pollodiablo.
Best to set the quality setting to 720 HD and full screen and turn the sound way up.
Fantastic. Fantastic fighters. Fantastic compilation by Pollodiablo. Migwech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uquJp40n8Uo
Ok, what should Floyd do if he DOES want to fight someone other than "calling them out" publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012just because you say you wanna fight someone doesn't mean anything. If he woulda signed the contracts and waited for the other side that's different. He said he wanted to fight Pacquiao too but never did he sign the contract. Daniel Geale said he wants to fight GGG but rejected the date first. I guess he's not ducking GGG either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
Ok I'm gonna have to link you to a thread I made with DOCUMENTED PROOF that Floyd CONSISTENTLY called out top, elite guys for the better part of that decade.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...y-45-0-bs.html
Everybody loves to run their mouth and talk about Floyd like he ducked and dodged his whole career, but when I presented DOCUMENTED PROOF, cold-hard facts, video evidence, ect, all the Floyd haters were nowhere to be found.
Included:
-Video of him calling out Prince Naseem (when they were similar weight and Price was a top p4p guy), Casamayor, Frietas, Paul Spadafora, JLC, Kostya Tyszu (when he was the best, before he lost to Hatton), Shane Mosley and De La Hoya.
-Video of Shane putting the kabosh on any talk about fighting Mayweather
-Documented proof of Floyd calling Mosley out in '99 and 2006 (right after Mosley KO'd Vargas).
-Documented proof of Floyd calling Oscar De La Hoya out in 2003, where he offered to jump from 135 to 154 and fight him (a fight that DLH turned down).
What more could the guy do? Don't shit on Floyd for not fighting these guys, because they guys wouldn't get in the ring with him.
Floyd has no confidence in his abilities? He called out Oscar in 2003 (shortly before the Mosley loss) and offered to jump up THREE WEIGHTCLASSES to fight him. This isn't rumor, this is documented, complete with screenshot. Even Floyd's dad said it was suicide, but Floyd was willing to do it to make the fight happen. And DLH wouldn't get in the ring with him.
Fast forward 4 years when DLH finally decides to fight Mayweather and loses, and all of a sudden Floyd is a pussy for fighting DLH when he's old and washed up. It's nonsense.
I guess Pac calling Floyd out is sincere, right?
At 147 Leonard was the bigger man. Leonard was also the stronger puncher. That being said...Floyd's ring IQ and great defense would make this a very close fight. I just think Ray's natural size advantage to go along with his speed would be a bit too much at welterweight for Mayweather. Despite his great success at 147...Floyd's best weight was still at 130-140.
Pac needs to call out marquez.
No one should bring pac into this as he is still recovering from that devasting ko that he recieved..plus, he has an uninjured bradley to deal with.
I agree with "Bradlee" that floyd does not install fear in any opponent and once they realise they cant knock him out or hit him cleanly they all go into survival mode and get a lovely check.
Sometimes i think some of these pro boxers just want to say they fought mayweather and in years to come can say how they nearly had him?!
Thats why calzaghe never called out a prime roy jones regardless of weight.
Frank made sure he kept his mouth shut.
Floyd called out everyone but some seem to want to forget those times and just keep calling him chicken and bringing up a southpaw with 4-5 losses.
This is sad that the best do not fight the best now. What great welter has Floyd fought?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando