9-11...after all this time do you really think it was terrorists?

The UK and US have obviously shown themselves as incredibly truthful countries. They spy on their own citizens jerking off (including children) and refuse to answer questions. A long time ago I watched the attacks and thought it was terrorists, but looking at the way the world has evolved, I don't believe their narrative in the slightest. The West had no enemies, they now have many. They have invented and created most of them.

Do you think 9-11 was terrorists, or state sponsored terrorism?

I don't believe a single word that they are saying anymore and you shouldn't either. They have been filling you with lies and they get away with it because you must fear them. They are full of nonsense. It is true that they can kill you, but all they really want is to control popular opinion. If you make some people seem crazy then you have won as you control the media too. They haven't won, they have lost, and they are perving on people.

They have only won for now because they got to control the narrative. They lied and they went bankrupt and still controlled you. They lied. Do you really think a bunch of Arabs beat the entire West into a submissive display of webcam wankery?

No, you are smarter and better than that. You know better.

Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.

[QUOTE=walrus;1227005]Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.[/QUOTE

I question the narrative a lot. I don't beleive how it evolved. Most of the enemy were arabs trained by who..

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Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.[/QUOTE

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Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.[/QUOTE

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UnUSUAL.

For sure I believe it was terrorists, and I will continue to believe that until someone gives me good reason to think otherwise. I've read a ton about it and talked to "truthers" for years and have heard nothing but bullshit logic from people with an unhealthy level of paranoia. These are the same people who believe in ALL of the big conspiracies: JFK's assassination, the moonlanding, chemtrails, ect. Why? Because for the most part these people are married to the thrill of thinking that they are deep, enlightened free thinkers, and are a part of something much bigger than themselves. They love painting everything black and white to reach (false) conclusions.


"The government has been caught lying to it's people before. That means the government are liars and they're lying about this."

"The government has hid things from it's people before. That means the government is hiding something about this."

"The government has carried out 'false flag' operations before. That means that this was a false flag operation."

"The government has killed people before. That means that they killed the 9/11 victims."


It's just nonsense. People will tell you "it's about the oil, maaan. They just wanted an excuse to invade the middle east and take the oil, maaaan."

Ok, so they used 9/11 and the threat of WMD's to invade the middle east. They constructed this INSANELY elborate conspiracy, which involved killing thousands of people, lugging thousands of pounds of explosives into one of the biggest and busiest buildings in the world and setting it up/installing it without anyone noticing, diverting passanger planes and flying them into the trade centers, getting hundreds of people to agree to this plan and keep it a secret...

...and they can do all this, but when they didn't find any WMD's overseas they just say "oops, guess there's no WMD here". They couldn't fake that to keep up their charade? Makes no sense.

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For sure I believe it was terrorists, and I will continue to believe that until someone gives me good reason to think otherwise. I've read a ton about it and talked to "truthers" for years and have heard nothing but bullshit logic from people with an unhealthy level of paranoia. These are the same people who believe in ALL of the big conspiracies: JFK's assassination, the moonlanding, chemtrails, ect. Why? Because for the most part these people are married to the thrill of thinking that they are deep, enlightened free thinkers, and are a part of something much bigger than themselves. They love painting everything black and white to reach (false) conclusions.


"The government has been caught lying to it's people before. That means the government are liars and they're lying about this."

"The government has hid things from it's people before. That means the government is hiding something about this."

"The government has carried out 'false flag' operations before. That means that this was a false flag operation."

"The government has killed people before. That means that they killed the 9/11 victims."


It's just nonsense. People will tell you "it's about the oil, maaan. They just wanted an excuse to invade the middle east and take the oil, maaaan."

Ok, so they used 9/11 and the threat of WMD's to invade the middle east. They constructed this INSANELY elborate conspiracy, which involved killing thousands of people, lugging thousands of pounds of explosives into one of the biggest and busiest buildings in the world and setting it up/installing it without anyone noticing, diverting passanger planes and flying them into the trade centers, getting hundreds of people to agree to this plan and keep it a secret...

...and they can do all this, but when they didn't find any WMD's overseas they just say "oops, guess there's no WMD here". They couldn't fake that to keep up their charade? Makes no sense.

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for sure i believe it was terrorists, and i will continue to believe that until someone gives me good reason to think otherwise. I've read a ton about it and talked to "truthers" for years and have heard nothing but bullshit logic from people with an unhealthy level of paranoia. These are the same people who believe in all of the big conspiracies: Jfk's assassination, the moonlanding, chemtrails, ect. Why? Because for the most part these people are married to the thrill of thinking that they are deep, enlightened free thinkers, and are a part of something much bigger than themselves. They love painting everything black and white to reach (false) conclusions.


"the government has been caught lying to it's people before. That means the government are liars and they're lying about this."

"the government has hid things from it's people before. That means the government is hiding something about this."

"the government has carried out 'false flag' operations before. That means that this was a false flag operation."

"the government has killed people before. That means that they killed the 9/11 victims."


it's just nonsense. People will tell you "it's about the oil, maaan. They just wanted an excuse to invade the middle east and take the oil, maaaan."

ok, so they used 9/11 and the threat of wmd's to invade the middle east. They constructed this insanely elborate conspiracy, which involved killing thousands of people, lugging thousands of pounds of explosives into one of the biggest and busiest buildings in the world and setting it up/installing it without anyone noticing, diverting passanger planes and flying them into the trade centers, getting hundreds of people to agree to this plan and keep it a secret...

...and they can do all this, but when they didn't find any wmd's overseas they just say "oops, guess there's no wmd here". They couldn't fake that to keep up their charade? Makes no sense.

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I think it was an external terrorist attack for certain as those assholes moves and early training were traceable as was their financial backing.

I know that at least one part of the governments many sectors knew they were coming. You only have to look at the people and the emergency sectors who were pouring into Manhattan the week before the attack, to know that is also truth that someone high up knew the general area of the target and the timing.

I dont think they had a clue as to how it was going to go down though, or the very smart way it was carried out you have to admit it was a brilliant attack from a reasonably poor enemy. Technically speaking you have to give them 10 out 10 for utilization and execution, although sad.

In regards to that building a block away that magically fell to the ground and disintegrated on its own. Thats the inside job.That the place where i recon secrets and finacial secret dealings would be on paper only.I recon building 7 or whatever it was called was rigged to be dropped, if you ever got nuked for future invasion; so that any attackers couldnt overtake your internal business dealings and remake ends meet for their benefit or find out who your secret enemy or allies are too within their own countries,cause that shit goes down too.

Maybe the towers had a sort of secret back up plan too, with simple charges in the foundations for the exact same reasons. (So that attackers couldnt just take over the financial world on taking hold of those buildings?

I'd put that sort of exact security in place if i had designed it for its purpose wouldn't you?

Add all that up and there's a few of the major pieces the conspiracy people bring to the table and rightly so,but I think they join all the dots a little too well creating a different picture to suit their own political agenda.

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State sponsored.

But not how you are implying.

I recon there were many sponsors in America some maybe in government but no way was it a combined effort.

The IRA was also sponsored from within America by thousands of people and from here in Australia too by tens of hundreds giving so much of their pay towards the fight and a few government people were in on it too and knew of the funding, but it wasnt an over all government plan for British downfall either.

None of us will ever know. I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist but honestly this is a plausible scenario! Just as plausible as it being a wholly outside job, unfortunately!

I will never support the religious and human rights abuse regimes as those middle east nations cling to but the American regime is by far the greatest evil on the planet today. Powerful and stealthy in operation it is a chameleon of hideous proportions compared to the backward and obviously tainted Islamic civilisations that are of no real global threat by comparison.

I find it easier to trust the European Union or even Russia!!

Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

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I'm asking you to think for yourself. Have you ever in your lifetime ever saw or heard of a building come straight without demolition? How did building 7 come straight down and wasn't even hit. explain that to me. Better yet explain it to yourself.

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How should it have come down?

It happened, it was no conspiracy. The end.

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No, no you can't. You, like me and everyone else in this thread, in all likelyhood have no credibility on this subject and a woefully inadequate level of information and understanding to form any kind of opinion. You're merely parroting "facts" that you heard from people you think would know. Which is fine: nobody has the time to know a fuckload about every topic so we have to rely on "experts" to fill in the blanks on a lot of things. But don't act like you're this "free thinker": these aren't your opinions, you just chose a side and are towing the line. Unless of course you can tell me you're an authority on demolition, physics, whatever.

This isn't an open and shut fact - there are "experts" on each side of the fence, some saying it could happen and others saying it's impossible. The fact is, very few of these "experts" have really that much credibility on the subject: the fact that you're a physics major or you've been on a demolition crew all your life knocking down old decrepit buildings gives you the authority to say, without any doubt, what is and isn't possible when a passenger airplane full of jet fuel is flown into two of the biggest, busiest, heaviest buildings in the world? How many scientific studies have been done on airplanes flying into skyscrapers? It's an insane scenario with a BILLION different variables and moving parts in the equation (unlike a regular demolition which, as the name states, is a very controlled operation).

Lets say for the sake of argument, 100% of the "experts" agree that this is highly unlikely: you then have to factor in "adnormality" factor: the fact that "freak" occurances happen every day that defy explanation, odds and/or logic. Scientific opinion varies and changes so often, it would be far from definitive proof.

Also, it ignores a basic logical question: why would the government, having just pulled off the greatest conspiracy in the history of conspiracies (one that involved HUNDREDS of people in the know and not objecting to killing thousands of innocent Americans, sneaking TONS of explosives into the busiest buildings in the world and installing it without anyone noticing, hijacking planes, ect ect), decide to perform a perfect, "by the book" demolition of the WTC? Demolitions are designed, planned and timed out perfectly to cause the building to collapse on itself and not spill out. Why not set the explosives off at random times or put them in atypical places so that the building would topple over completely? Would that be just as easy (actually, much easier) than performing a controlled demolition?

Why would they, having pulled off this genius conspiracy, choose to do a perfect controlled demolition that would no doubt make people suspicious and give people "cause" to look into whether or not it was an inside job?

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Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself.

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No, no you can't. You, like me and everyone else in this thread, in all likelyhood have no credibility on this subject and a woefully inadequate level of information and understanding to form any kind of opinion. You're merely parroting "facts" that you heard from people you think would know. Which is fine: nobody has the time to know a fuckload about every topic so we have to rely on "experts" to fill in the blanks on a lot of things. But don't act like you're this "free thinker": these aren't your opinions, you just chose a side and are towing the line. Unless of course you can tell me you're an authority on demolition, physics, whatever.

This isn't an open and shut fact - there are "experts" on each side of the fence, some saying it could happen and others saying it's impossible. The fact is, very few of these "experts" have really that much credibility on the subject: the fact that you're a physics major or you've been on a demolition crew all your life knocking down old decrepit buildings gives you the authority to say, without any doubt, what is and isn't possible when a passenger airplane full of jet fuel is flown into two of the biggest, busiest, heaviest buildings in the world? How many scientific studies have been done on airplanes flying into skyscrapers? It's an insane scenario with a BILLION different variables and moving parts in the equation (unlike a regular demolition which, as the name states, is a very controlled operation).

Lets say for the sake of argument, 100% of the "experts" agree that this is highly unlikely: you then have to factor in "adnormality" factor: the fact that "freak" occurances happen every day that defy explanation, odds and/or logic. Scientific opinion varies and changes so often, it would be far from definitive proof.

Also, it ignores a basic logical question: why would the government, having just pulled off the greatest conspiracy in the history of conspiracies (one that involved HUNDREDS of people in the know and not objecting to killing thousands of innocent Americans, sneaking TONS of explosives into the busiest buildings in the world and installing it without anyone noticing, hijacking planes, ect ect), decide to perform a perfect, "by the book" demolition of the WTC? Demolitions are designed, planned and timed out perfectly to cause the building to collapse on itself and not spill out. Why not set the explosives off at random times or put them in atypical places so that the building would topple over completely? Would that be just as easy (actually, much easier) than performing a controlled demolition?

Why would they, having pulled off this genius conspiracy, choose to do a perfect controlled demolition that would no doubt make people suspicious and give people "cause" to look into whether or not it was an inside job?

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I will give you that. I don't know it for sure. I just have questions that have never been answered. How did building 7 come down? It wasn't even hit. In America if you question the Government you're some kind of nut. So it better to be a good little slave and say nothing.

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Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

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I just did if you read it , theres probable cause, I maybe wrong too but cant think of any reason why they would do it. If they did do it for security reasons imagine what was in there.

I dont think the twin towers would of been detonated but if there were charges in the footings or the metal structure up through the floors for simular reasons to building 7:
They could of justified it to the public (if they were caught at it, or forced to ) by saying it was loaded pre packed what ever they call it, so that the buildings came straight down so as to have zero impact on the crowded surrounds.

I bet they figured they never had to justify it after what happened. Why would they? let it go,let the confusion that follows wipe them clear.

WTC7 was hit with debris and caught on fire which the NYFD couldn't put out for a long time. Structural integrity was compromised by the fires and lead to the collapse.


So again how should a building hit with a plane loaded with fuel collapse? You DO realize that skyscrapers like the WTC towers are built to withstand certain events....high winds, accidents involving planes/helicopters.... they aren't built to topple over like a fucking Jenga tower

Sorry for running on fumes a little at the start of the thread, I needed a rest. :p With all the terrible things that have happened to our countries in terms of the elite essentially imposing a police state, invading countries, denying rights, torturing, rendition, etc etc. It just seems that 9-11 was the perfect pretext to do all that, just as the Gulf of Tonkin was the perfect lie to start napalming Vietnam.

I'm not really looking at it from an analysis of buildings, plane trajectories or anything like that, but considering what we get up to as the leading rogue states, would I rule out that we would carry out our version of the burning down of the Reichstag?

Looking at the government responses to even the NSA scandals. They lie, new information comes out, they lie and readjust, then they get caught again. It almost becomes a comedy routine. There is something in this particular class of elite that is completely lacking in credibility and on every issue now I think people are automatically calling BS.

Even on 9-11 the government narrative is just not working. I think something like 40% of Americans think the government was in on it. Looking at how easy it was for the planes to be hijacked, how easy it was for the Saudi's to get out of America, and of course the smaller building falling. Also hadn't the Pentagon revealed that billions had gone missing a few days prior? Then suddenly a terrorist attack and that story basically vanished.

:vd: it amazes me how fucking dumb you can be miles.

Saddam Hussein had already violated conditions which he was bound to uphold under threat of further hostilities.


The United States needed nothing else to attack Iraq....am I the only one that sees that? To end a war you have a treaty, if the conditions of the treaty are not kept in good faith you have another war...that is what happened with Iraq.


Is it just that my explanation is too simple for you to comprehend? My explanation makes too much sense for you guys?

If any nation in the world should be under UN sanctions it is America. To even waffle about saddam is false as anything Saddam has done, America has done so much worse. Did Saddam perv on people on their webcams like Obama? Did he destroy millions in multiple invaded nations? Saddam was small fry compared to the real international villain of the past 50 years and back on topic, Saddam was NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

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If any nation in the world should be under UN sanctions it is America. To even waffle about saddam is false as anything Saddam has done, America has done so much worse. Did Saddam perv on people on their webcams like Obama? Did he destroy millions in multiple invaded nations? Saddam was small fry compared to the real international villain of the past 50 years and back on topic, Saddam was NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

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People, here you see the TRADEMARK of the conspiracy nut. A rational person (such as myself) will make a comment, based in fact, a comment which can be backed up by fact and TRUE history not revisionist history. This comment is met with off topic nonsense and inane ramblings by the conspiracy nut (played by miles in this example) in order to throw me off track or at least confuse people who might attempt to follow a my train of thought in this debate.

At the end of The Persian Gulf War Saddam was given some guidelines to go by if he wanted to continue his reign. He did not follow those guidelines and thus war was declared.

I mentioned nothing about Saddam spying, nothing about Saddam invading nations (which he did do, but I didn't mention it), nothing about Saddam killing people (again, he DID do that but I didn't mention that specifically because I wanted to stay on topic), I did not say that Saddam or Iraq were linked to 9/11 attacks, and I did not compare or contrast Saddam with the United States.

You see miles it is very simple, if Saddam followed the guidelines he'd still be alive and still be running Iraq. But he chose not to follow those guidelines and therefore he was overthrown, tried by a tribunal convicted and sentenced to death.


But again, I'll have stated facts and miles will retreat into his typical "America is the root of all evil"

I am not having that. You have just made up the criteria.

Let's stick to the basic facts about Saddam.
1. No WMD
2. No link to 9-11
3. In many years a far less dangerous state than America.
4. Historically speaking the US is one of the worst, Saddam is popcorn.

Saddam is nothing to do with 9-11. This is the conspiracy. You are coming into this thread and are ranting about Saddam and he had nothing to do with 9-11.

Maybe the conspiracy is why you are in this thread. We know that the NSA likes to stir things up, is that your latest role.

the usa had no right to "give" Saddam any "conditions" to adhere to. He didnt have to abide by anything the usa said. who the fuck is the usa to impose their desires on Saddam Huseein? He was a true man who didnt bend over and take it up the ass. Like everyone else does when amerikkka "gives" them "conditions" to abide by.

Saddam exposed the hypocrisy of amerikkka. No legitimacy for amerikkka. Why impose conditions and requirements on saddam when Israel has violated over 2 thousand UN Sec Council resolutions since 1948 without any pemnalties at all? The UN Sec Coucnil is illegitiamte. And saddam exposed it.

Also did I say anything that cannot be backed up? Lyle hasn't been reading enough Glenn Greenwald perhaps. My information is always on the ball.

Saddam Hussein was a true man. He was attacked by Kurds from Erbil and Kirkuk, assassination attempts, one in 1984 and another in 1989. So he struck back at their village, Halabja. Just like the usa struck back at David Koresh in Waco Texas. They killed innocent people. So did saddam. Fuck off, amerikkka.

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If any nation in the world should be under UN sanctions it is America. To even waffle about saddam is false as anything Saddam has done, America has done so much worse. Did Saddam perv on people on their webcams like Obama? Did he destroy millions in multiple invaded nations? Saddam was small fry compared to the real international villain of the past 50 years and back on topic, Saddam was NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

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People, here you see the TRADEMARK of the conspiracy nut. A rational person (such as myself) will make a comment, based in fact, a comment which can be backed up by fact and TRUE history not revisionist history. This comment is met with off topic nonsense and inane ramblings by the conspiracy nut (played by miles in this example) in order to throw me off track or at least confuse people who might attempt to follow a my train of thought in this debate.

At the end of The Persian Gulf War Saddam was given some guidelines to go by if he wanted to continue his reign. He did not follow those guidelines and thus war was declared.

I mentioned nothing about Saddam spying, nothing about Saddam invading nations (which he did do, but I didn't mention it), nothing about Saddam killing people (again, he DID do that but I didn't mention that specifically because I wanted to stay on topic), I did not say that Saddam or Iraq were linked to 9/11 attacks, and I did not compare or contrast Saddam with the United States.

You see miles it is very simple, if Saddam followed the guidelines he'd still be alive and still be running Iraq. But he chose not to follow those guidelines and therefore he was overthrown, tried by a tribunal convicted and sentenced to death.


But again, I'll have stated facts and miles will retreat into his typical "America is the root of all evil"

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You will see my post was on point and good. You just went into Alex Jones land and the reasons are your own. I like America and you know it, but I hate bullshit. I thought you did too, but it only matters when it is domestic policy.

I'm not really sure why you are having difficulty applying the same international standards to your own country. Currently your country is talking about banning Russia from the G8 and imposing sanctions, but these same standards are never applied to your country, when logic would dictate that they should be.

It is these kinds of double standards that bother people. Iraq should never have been under sanctions as logic would dictate that America should have already been sanctioned. Oh, but 'Saddam had to go'. Well, most would say the same about the Western puppets too. Where is their justice? It's not conspiracy to say that there are double standards.

ameriKKKa needs to go. it thinks it can tell every country what to do. and coerce it to do its bidding. ultimate in arrogance. when you travel abroad you really meet thousands and thousands of people who say "thank God you Steve are not the typical amerikkkan!" I do not blindly support amerikkka, "love it or leave it" was the slogan---that just tells you something right there---the inflexibility, the Nazi-ism----"love it or leave it"----fuck you scumbags----- what does that mean? TOW THE COMPANY LINE, DONT COMPLAIN, BE HAPPY WHAT YOU GOT, YOU COULD BEIN CUBA, BLAH BLAH BLAH----It means DONT THINK. DONT QUESTION. I actually saw billboards in Arizona during the Gulf "WAR" that read :

STOP QUESTIONING YOUR LEADERS! BE A PATRIOT! IF YOURE NOT FOR US, YOURE AGAINST US!!

That sums up the idiocy of amerikkka. It is frightening. more frightening that when you point this out, ameriKKKins dont see it. Refuse to see it. In denial.

""" hey, bitch, dont talk shit 'bout 'Murrica.""":cool:

I've never believed it some 'inside job' or a direct Government action. No way. Now if we're talking inaction, playing both sides and misguided foreign policy coming back to bite us in the ass..its not the first time. Shit, how we still act shocked about Japan attacking us is a little shallow. As far as Iraq and to sound 100 proof cynical...I thought then and still do that it was done only as a swerve to basically illustrate and show conventional military action and direct results to a nation looking and expecting such. You were not getting that in Afghanistan and it was unobtainable in a literal sense. The majority of Americans believed he had a direct hand in the attacks and the prop men and carnival barkers in Washington were just fine with that, they loved it! Iraq was a travisty. We had tremendous leverage after hit and Saddam was pretty much shitting himself knowning payback was on our mind, they probally could have gone in stealthy, not disbanded the army ffs and basically cut the head off with few knowing. alright I'm done Popping off like a fool...keeping with tradition its off to the midnight grill to eat dead bbq cow, drink cheap inferior booze and yell to my neighbors wife. 'Murrica rules bitches!

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Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

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In the event of a catostrophic structural failure, large skyscrapers are designed to collapse DOWNWARDS.

What does more damage to the surrounding area? A building collapsing down and covering it's own area or toplling sideways and covering SEVERAL city blocks.

I think if we could pick 1 country to remove that would improve the entire world as a whole it would be the United States.

Absolute maggot state to be honest. A blatant abuse of power and wealth. Their policies work everyone to death for chump change whilst the rich get mega wealthy off the sweat of ordinary people makes me sick!

I think in their absence Russia would solidify their alliance with China and Iran and control the whole Asian continent along with some of their loyal states in Europe and the European Union would form a sovereign state and provide the basis for a new superpower of far fairer and evenly spread wealth than the US regime.

The European and the "Eurasian" unions together could decisively and efficiently sort out any problems on their supercontinent without any medalling from that poofter state the US!!

Not a fan.. My own country chooses to model itself after it and conditions here are faltering alarmingly now!! In another 50 years, Australia will be completely sold out and we'll be speaking Chinese!! :(

The real history s found in both the winning and losing annuals; trouble between Islam and Christians goes back along way,we have alot to answer for when you read the home teams stories. No wonder they never forget an enemy. This last paragraph shocked me after reading through the Knights Templar history what the west gained from being in the east in regards all knowledge architecture and other secrets pertaining to geomerty in religion etc;then came this shocker :o.


In contrast, interaction with the foreign invaders produced little
positive effects for the Middle
-
Eastern Muslims.
•
The Crusaders had proved themselves to be a terrible enemy.
•
The
much vaunted ideal of chivalry rarely carried through to
the actual battles fought for the Holy Land. Many European
victories were followed by extensive massacres of men,
women and children. After a bloody battle at
Ma'arra
in which
thousands were probably killed a European chronicler writes,
"our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking
-
pots; they impaled
children on spits and devoured them
grilled“.
It was hard for
Muslims to identify with such cruel adversaries. These horrors
served to
demonize the Westerners and their Christianity
.

Sure it was... that's what the usa is, always has been.

They began as terrorists in north america.

In the last 20 years alone, the yanks have invaded 22 countries.

They have military bases in 130 other Nations with over 900 american military bases.

Their streets in peacetime are littered with 15 thousand murders per year.
USA police kill more americans per year than the Iraqis and Afghans did per year in those wars.

Even their national anthem is violent.

The yanks will sacrifice thousands of their own people with false flags attacks to garner public support for going to war, it's all propaganda.

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Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

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In the event of a catostrophic structural failure, large skyscrapers are designed to collapse DOWNWARDS.

What does more damage to the surrounding area? A building collapsing down and covering it's own area or toplling sideways and covering SEVERAL city blocks.

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Building 7 was hit by debris and fire from its sister building. The intense fire damaged the volume holding the building up. When a building the size of WTC it does not fall in a nice little fire. Debris was strewn for miles. Anything close to the buildings suffered damage, some of it catastrophic. Steel melts, the structures were held together by steel.

The surveillance camera at the Pentagon did not capture the plane hitting the building so people say it is another sign of conspiracy. What about the eyewitnesses and the fact that pieces of a plane were found at the impact.

I don't believe the conspiracy theories but I do think South Korea was behind the killing of Kennedy.

Edit: Better video. Not enough content in last one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4za9OSalz4

9-11 was the event that made the untouchables think they could get away with anything. It led to the police state, it led to wars based on hocus pocus, contradiction and lies (again), and today continues with people being killed by drones with no real evidence even being gathered.

9-11 was seemingly the greatest false flag power grab seen in modern times. And to be fair to America they get away with it each time. 9-11 was conspired, Afghanistan was an attempt to capture...Afgh....Saudis in Afghanistan, Iraq was an attempt to?....then it continues with Libya and even through to today with the Americans paying billions to the Ukraine rebels and hey presto snipers appear and seal the deal. Snipers always seem to show up.

It's a pattern and one nation is typically behind much of it. It's not a conspiracy to say that. It's a fact. It is also no coincidence that the American population is so divided on race, class, religion, and political divides. The propaganda preys on it. Most Americans hate their society, but they are powerless. They really need a third party, the same with Britain as the Lib Dems will become extinct. That is a good thing.

It also doesn't help when the NSA/GCHQ itself is out there playing forum troll on forums and up to all kinds of no good. To think that is where taxpayer money goes! England has shit like the monarchy already. England also has a lot of other shit going on like the City of London which is a country within a country. There are also the masons that have corrupted the police force and have ties all the way back to The City and the banks. Then of course the spies have complete control over the government and you start to see why nobody is in prison for the banking crisis.

I don't think most people are drawing the dots on the UK connections and how it is all connected. I would also include Paedophile rings too, seeing how Cameron didn't want to report his advisor of 20 years and of course Cameron has a Nanny from Nepal, because as we know English people are terrible and can never be trusted with children. Maybe Cameron knows something about Tories and just why was Saville never arrested for being a pervert? Either way there are a lot of rumours about parliamentary paedophile rings. He obviously wasn't doing it alone.

My main conclusion about it all is that these particular regimes are questionable beyond all measure and all one needs to do is to follow each event and see how they respond. They are very predicable.