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seriously, canelo couldnt get down another pound? even if that is true, then dont fight at 154! the rule needs to go back to same day weigh ins. make bigger fines for coming in overweight so that it will force people to stay in their correct weight class or at least a weight class that they know for sure they can make. im all for taking 90% of their purse and just telling them that they should have followed the rules.
This does seem to be happening more with Mexican fighters, and why totally unprofessional
with in a week Canelo, Salido, not making weight.!!!!
Very unprofessional, and the only reason a guy like Canelo can do it is because he has the power and there's no way Angulo is going to turn down the fight.
I think the commissions should stipulate that if you don't make weight, you automatically forfeit 50% of your purse to your opponent.
It's rediculous, the contract says it's being held at a certain weight, so it's your ultimate responisibility to make that weight.
Angulo should smash him in the face with his elbow, and when he complains say "ohhh, you thought the contract said 155? I thought the contract said this was under MMA rules."
Das bullshit. They did the same thing in the first Chavez-Vera fight. They changed the official weight limit at the last minute for chavez... lol
And/or enter the fight one point down (good suggestion on a sweetscience article today).Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Getting fined is justified but entering the fight with one point down is pretty silly.. this is pro boxing, not some play fighting..Quote:
Originally Posted by goti71And/or enter the fight one point down (good suggestion on a sweetscience article today).Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
One point down is gay dude.
Not gay. In that case so is a fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaGetting fined is justified but entering the fight with one point down is pretty silly.. this is pro boxing, not some play fighting..Quote:
Originally Posted by goti71And/or enter the fight one point down (good suggestion on a sweetscience article today).Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
One point down is gay dude.
The point deduction simply levels out the advantage of coming in heavier but doesn't make it play fighting IMHO. So a pro-boxer needs to come in heavier than a supposedly inferior opponent? Now that's weak.
A fine won't do anything if you have the cash/name as someone said before or somewhere else or whatever but a point less would make "pros" think about it.
I think Canelo will win anyway. Better boxer.
I think being docked 50% of your purse would be a big enough motivator to cutting this shit out. Especially when you're name is Canelo or Mayweather, and 50% of your purse is MILLIONS of dollars lost for you.
getting docked a significant amount of money is the only way to solve it. the weight is in the contract. and your opponent should be able to forfeit the fight while receiving compensation from the fighter that didnt make weight.
for example, if canelo comes over 1 pound, angulo should be able to do one of two things. first, take 50% of his purse. canelo is making 1.25 million for the fight so angulo takes around 600,000 from canelo (although maybe he should also get part of his profits from the event too that canelo is receiving). or second scenario, angulo just takes 25% of what the higher paid fighter (which is canelo in this fight) would have earned and skip the match. so angulo could walk with around 300,000. this would at least somewhat solve the problem of a lower paid fighter still being forced to fight at a disadvantage because of the money. they could still earn money (not as much though) and just take another fight later on.
i like it.
Only problem here is if the lower paid fighter refused to fight he'd probably never get another big pay fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I like this idea of docking points ;-)
Fining fighters aint gonna work for title fights as most are already fairl wealthy when they get to that stage anyway.
The advantage Salido had over Lomanchenko last saturday was a joke and made for an unfair fight.
After seeing that fight go ahead of course other fighters are gonna try and take the piss out of the system and gain an advantage so take that advantage away and let them enter the fight 1 or 2 rounds down!
Stopping someone's purse wont take away any advantage once they step through the ropes so its pointless ;)
fight is in jeopardy if Canelo comes in heavier than 168 today, those were the terms for the weight increase, straight up lazy asses, Jr, Canelo, and Salido, bunch of unprofessional bitches
The Mexican fight scene in Mexico is very poor... they allow anything to happen and thus when the new fighters come into the international arena, they show poor ethics.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Gone are the days of JJC Sr., Morrales, Barrera, etc, etc... these were the last set of Mexican fighters that showed professionalism and class.
This new breed of fighters seem jaded, unconcerned and just in it for whatever reason.
But, the weight classed need to be re-classified. Too many and for no real purpose. jmo....
It's not can't make the weight, its wont in a lot of these cases. The majority are the heavy, pun intended, favorites and seems like a slew of hbo house fighters. I seriously think they factor in the fine money in a purse and frankly when you can throw money at a problem as sandwiched in between possibly two massive pay days ya really can cope. Also cut this hidden 'unofficial' weight bs and announce what they are actually in the ring as compared to weigh in. Audience deserves to know what unannounced catchweight they are really watching. I mentioned the point dock awhile ago and there has to be a penalty other than financial. Something that impacts the actual fight. It's completely disrespectful to all involved. Spoiled fat hefers.
I have seen some guys fight at 145 lbs and come in nearly 160. Gatti was a chief offender at it and hurt a lot of fighters in the process. One guy he fought, some Gamache guy, he nearly decapitated the young man- and the Gamache guy was a former champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's wrong... I see end all of this and re-classify the weights. Because on the other side of it as well, some of these weights are unnatural in today's standards. Humans are bigger... much bigger these days. Asking a 5 ft 10 guy to make 154 continually is a bit of a stretch- it isn't natural, and thus, adds to the studies out there with regard to brain injury and dramatic weight loss and weight draining for fights.
Gatti did make weight, this is unprofessional from Canelo. lost respect for him a bit here. Saul is too small for middleweight. He better get his motivation to get in condition and make weight, otherwise he will not be the golden boy.
Boxing is slowly climbing into the reality tv genre with the weight bullshit in almost every big fight. Its beyond pathetic. They should just add another 17 divisions.
Btw Alvarez was never fined. The contract read "154 plus one" which is unbelievable in and of itself.
Its def more of a theatrical soap opera. Sometimes I feel like I'm looking at a room of crying toddlers when they start in with the .0001/4 lb silly shat. 154+1 ffs...sounds like something my nephew would say when asked how old he is while holding up one hand and saying "I'm this many". At 23 years old you should be able to burn a lb as some after thought. Big fooking baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Didn't Alvarez do this in the Hatton fight also in some other catchweight bs ???
Yet another hbo bout with a heavy favorite looking for a bigger show. If they didn't pull the plug on the show when Broner literally said on camera "fuck ya'll, I'm not making weight" and slap the network and fans in the face, they will never cancel a match because of it but instead let a guy who whipes his ass in a Popeyes bathroom with $20 bills to swindle some backroom deal and pass a check to an opponent who can in no way at all afford to walk away from the payday and fight. Decked staked even higher and future showcases assured. Its pathetic. There is no accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI have seen some guys fight at 145 lbs and come in nearly 160. Gatti was a chief offender at it and hurt a lot of fighters in the process. One guy he fought, some Gamache guy, he nearly decapitated the young man- and the Gamache guy was a former champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's wrong... I see end all of this and re-classify the weights. Because on the other side of it as well, some of these weights are unnatural in today's standards. Humans are bigger... much bigger these days. Asking a 5 ft 10 guy to make 154 continually is a bit of a stretch- it isn't natural, and thus, adds to the studies out there with regard to brain injury and dramatic weight loss and weight draining for fights.
Gatti notoriously came in overweight... very much overweight. Check the Gamache fight and the fight before that and you will see how he over did it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
A move back to same-day weigh-ins is the answer combined with an increase in the fine.
Very true.. gatti was known for coming in overweight but he rarely got criticized just because he was Gatti, the blood and guts warrior.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaGatti notoriously came in overweight... very much overweight. Check the Gamache fight and the fight before that and you will see how he over did it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What he did against Gamache was straight up criminal and he should have been charged for it..
How can anybody shit on chavez and not do the same to gatti? Smh
Fuckin double standards in boxing.
Will Canelo move to 160 after this fight?
Canelo is a tweener so he's stuck in a bad place right now..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Can u imagine him competing against the likes of GGfake and Quillin? I cant.. at best, he can beat stevens but even that is no guarantee imo..
Canelo can for sure beat rosado though since he sucks but that's about it..
Mayhe gbp will attempt to establish a new weight division in honor of canelo.. like 157 lol...
i agree. i dont think that canelo could step it up against the top fighters at 160. he is fortunate that 154 never had anyone that good in it and that he rarely fought anybody who was actually in that weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCanelo is a tweener so he's stuck in a bad place right now..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Can u imagine him competing against the likes of GGfake and Quillin? I cant.. at best, he can beat stevens but even that is no guarantee imo..
Canelo can for sure beat rosado though since he sucks but that's about it..
Mayhe gbp will attempt to establish a new weight division in honor of canelo.. like 157 lol...
That news to me, I thought he was definitely fined for the pound.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
That means we're arguing about nothing because he did not come in overweight if the contract said plus one.
there could be some sort of three strikes rule
if you miss weight so many times in big fights then you cant fight in a chanpionship fight for so long or something
it isnt the first time canelo has done it
i know it would never happen like
Weight classes are pretty much irrelevant these days. Since most belts are nothing more than selling points to get fights they are also pretty meaningless. So what you are left with is private contracts and negotiations with no definitive rules as far as weightclasses are actually observed. Unless there becomes a global governing body that can enforce rules we might as well get rid of weightclasses altogether.