Bowe would knock him the fuck out.. anybody disagree?
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Bowe would knock him the fuck out.. anybody disagree?
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I'd imagine Louis' textbook form, ring IQ and punching power would make up for his size deficit against Bowe.
You are in a poetic mood today arent ya lol .. yea I saw u rapping bruh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I dont think louis can handle the inside game of bowe.. just too much dogg..
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou are in a poetic mood today arent ya lol .. yea I saw u rapping bruh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I dont think louis can handle the inside game of bowe.. just too much dogg..
I am I 'spose.
Would Bowe get inside?
He was lazy and could be discouraged.
Golota era Bowe vs. Marciano era Louis would be a sad but interesting match.
Anybody who really believes Joe Louis would make it out of a round with Riddick Bowe need to be submitted for drug testing.
"Text book technique" haha give me a break, old Freddie Roach must struggle hard to keep a straight face with that one!!
Even the fattest, laziest version of Riddick Bowe could have finished Louis early rounds.
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Originally Posted by Max Power
Maybe I need drug testing then.
But that is just my opinion.
I would certainly like to see if I am wrong.
I'm a big fan/believer in prime, MOTIVATED Riddick Bowe. I think he would smash a lot of past and present greats.
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Me too. Just not sure if Louis was one of them.
Oh jeez I'd have to go with Bowe.
Joe wasn't a great "boxer" (in the slickster sense), he was a great boxer/puncher. I just don't think Joe would have had the ability to keep Bowe at bay. He'd be going up against a guy with a longer reach, 30-40 functional pounds on him, superior fire power and a superior chin.
I just can't see Louis winning that fight. Different times, different weight catagories.
If it was just some palooka with 30lbs on him, sure. But Bowe was world class.
A few members of my family saw Louis. After talking to them think Louis would get the W. and if I get drug tested, I will fail.
Bowe isnt some wounded war veteran or part time bootlegger that Louis is used to fighting on a monthly basis.
Louis is seriously undersized, slow, has a lack of head movement, no mobility ,and he would be a sitting duck for Big daddy.
Bowe would abuse him plain and simple..
Its not the 30s no more.
Bowe would kill him with the jab, and I don't think Louis had the power to get Bowe out of there, or the chin to withstand Bowe's onslaught.
Bowe's chin would be a problem for Louis, Holy's best sharp shots are atleast as powerful as Louis', and Holy couldnt put him away. Bowe's chin would take all Louis' shots, but Joe would out-stamina the often low-stamina Bowe, outhustle him, Joe would fight him like Dempsey fought Willard. Hell, Joe would fight him like he fought Primo carnera.
It makes me laugh when people who has only seen black and white films starts romanticizing and overrating the shit outa the likes of Gene Tunney lol, dempsey, and jack johnson and them primitive fighters.
Those guys would be lucky to even beat a prime Monte Barrett.. jack johnson doesnt strike me as a good boxer and I dont see him making it out of the firs round against Deonte wilder..
Old schooo fighters are overrated....
Only old school fighters truly admire are the ones from the 60s and up like Ali, Patterson, and Larry Holmes..
Riddick Bowe on his A game was an unstoppable force... the only person that beats Riddick on his A game is an Ali on his A game....
I feel as if Bowe and Lewis had fought, the same Bowe that beat the shit out of Holyfield in the first match, Lewis would get sparked out cold.
Joe Louis would get sparked out cold. Holmes would be beaten over 12 rounds. Tyson would lose a split or UD. Wlad would get sparked the eff out. Vitali would quit.
But this, of course, was when Bowe was on his A game... which was only about 2 or 3 times out of his entire fight career.
Tyson has the balls to take a beating but he doesnt have the heart to fight under pressure.. Bowe would open up a can of whoop ass and make him quit..
Tyson would get intimidated by bowe..
On paper Bowe too big, too well rounded and strong..simple as. Bowe was a great inside churner if you were in there, that uppercut was on point. But the easy dismissal of "grainy B&W fighters" is so damn self righteous. Give it 40 yrs and the dismisal will recycle itself and Wlad will be a robotic glass chin who padded his record late by fans not even sucking wind now and may have only sat through a handfull of his fights without fast forwarding. Its heavyweights ffs...anything can and has happened.
When everything is quantified by if a guy...a champion..would even bring his A-game, it makes its own window for ruling nothing out and Bowe if we're honest could be a bloated half distracted slug who wasn't easy to miss and could lose his cool and bend rules. Bowe fucked himself and had all the tools to indead go down as 'all time' but he was equally interested with fridges in his bedroom and doing impersonations of Ali.
Very good HD clip of the Great Joe Louis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02bbD_om8o8
6'1¾".
198 lbs-207 lbs.
66 W (52 KOs)-3 L.
12 year reign Heavyweight Champion.
25 Title Defences.
Bowe was mentally inept. He'd fold.Quote:
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There never has been a more complete fighter than Joe Louis. He more than any other heavyweight most closely resembles the perfect fighter. Imagine the task of building a perfect heavyweight. First he would have to have two-fisted punching power equal to that of Jack Dempsey or Mike Tyson. His hand speed would have to be among the best including Ali, Patterson and Tyson. The left jab an offensive weapon like that of Sonny Liston's. The left hook as powerful as Joe Frazier's. His right cross as crushing as Lennox Lewis. His combination punching comparable to pound for pound great Ray Robinson. His counter-punching ability on par with Jack Johnson. He would have the inside fighting ability of Riddick Bowe. He would also have the analytical ability of Gene Tunney in spotting the weakness of an opponent's style. Joe Louis had all of these attributes in one compact explosive package of heavyweight TNT.
As a boxer Louis had everything. He is without doubt the greatest combination puncher to ever lace on the gloves. No one could put their punches together as beautifully as did Louis. He threw every punch in the book with text book perfection, the jab, the hook, the cross, and the uppercut. He placed his punches with waste-less accuracy to vital points; to the heart, across the liver, behind the ear, under the floating rib, to the mental foramen nerve (the chin). His punches were short, often traveling only inches, yet they landed with jolting power
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monte Barrett was pretty fuckin good at one point.
Bowe would knock Louis the fuck out not even close i mean Holyfeild at his best is better then Louis anytime of his career. What are Louis best wins really Max, Joe, and Con and that's about it. One of those guys was not even a Heavyweight and he was whooping Louis ass. Lucky he had Bum of the month club which makes this era look like the golden age fucking guy fought a bartender and got floored doing so. I mean come on guys not even fair fight Louis is not a heavyweight by today standards. I think he do great at cw so would a lot of the other old timers but got to be real sometimes not even close.
Yea he was.. barrett was a formidable contender at one point but he could have been a lot more if he packed a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monte Barrett was pretty fuckin good at one point.
I remember him giving Joe mesi the business and giving Dominick Guinn his first loss..
I still cant believe that he got knocked out by owen beck on the judah-spinks 2 undercard.
Monte barrett at his best would wipe the fuckin floor with gene tunney and joe louis..
Yes, Max Schmelling can get the drop on Joe Louis but Riddick Bowe, oh no...
Unbelievable! And sad!
Lol hysterical! Remember what a tiny Billy Conn did to him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
That makes me think that George Groves would beat Louis too..
Yeah lol and furthermore this Billy Conn was regarded as a good opponent of Louis'.
Yet this Conn started his career in the 120lbs!! ranges I think, and had something like 6, SIX! friggin losses at WELTERWEIGHT or there abouts. And faced Louis at 185lbs (pretty sure).
Could you imagine Riddick Bowe staging a fight against a guy like that??
He'd be pelted with more tomatoes than he did in the Golota fight! lol
Unfortunately for Bowe, he was born AFTER Joe Louis' era. So there went his quest to be great. I guess he'll just have to settle for being mostly remembered as a fat, lazy, underachiever, with more talent than the will to use it. THAT.... and his epic showdowns with Andrew Golota who... if he would've had more than a pea-sized brain.... he would've finished his destruction of Bowe without getting DQ'ed like an idiot. TWICE!
When Conn had those losses, he was17 and 18 years old, with no amateur background, learning on the job. And fighting some pretty good fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
You know whats ironic about many of these threads. They operate from the premise that it is those who have witnessed other eras and have studied those they could not have as being delusional while at the same time making the claims you see here. Just like the ubiquitous "hev era comparison" thread. So transparent in its design that it is simply not worth the effort. Been there and done that far to many times. The fighters who fought everyone and lost are somehow less then those who fought nobody and never did. Its hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldWhen Conn had those losses, he was17 and 18 years old, with no amateur background, learning on the job. And fighting some pretty good fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Do not disrespect a man who was heavyweight champion, who fought consistently and made a record 25 defences with one who did not realise his god given potential, natural ability and size. Picking the best moment of one fighter and the worst moment of another fighter to compare is ridiculous.
Joe Louis had a bomb of a left hook and right hand and hit harder than Holyfield. Bowe was open to the left hook which is why I see Tyson knocking out Riddick as Mike did Carl Truth Williams.
Bowe did not become a consistent champion which is a quality you need to be considered a great.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYea he was.. barrett was a formidable contender at one point but he could have been a lot more if he packed a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monte Barrett was pretty fuckin good at one point.
I remember him giving Joe mesi the business and giving Dominick Guinn his first loss..
I still cant believe that he got knocked out by owen beck on the judah-spinks 2 undercard.
Monte barrett at his best would wipe the fuckin floor with gene tunney and joe louis..
Idk bout that last part, but as I recall Barrett beat Beck in a seasaw battle. Looked it up and sure enough he TKO'd Beck in 9.
So you can rest easy he never lost to Owen "what the heck" Beck lol
Monte Barrett - Boxer
That's right. Lol. Why did I think owen beck won by KO? I'm getting old.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYea he was.. barrett was a formidable contender at one point but he could have been a lot more if he packed a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monte Barrett was pretty fuckin good at one point.
I remember him giving Joe mesi the business and giving Dominick Guinn his first loss..
I still cant believe that he got knocked out by owen beck on the judah-spinks 2 undercard.
Monte barrett at his best would wipe the fuckin floor with gene tunney and joe louis..
Idk bout that last part, but as I recall Barrett beat Beck in a seasaw battle. Looked it up and sure enough he TKO'd Beck in 9.
So you can rest easy he never lost to Owen "what the heck" Beck lol
Monte Barrett - Boxer
I remember watching this fight live too when judah knocked spinks the hell out to snatxh the undisputed title.
That was one of the most satisfying knockouts I've witnessed that year cuz I disliked spinks for getting that gift against mayorga the previous year. Shit was so bogus.
I also remember going to the liqour store after the fight and some hooker jumped into my car without even asking. I'm like wtf! Lol
Anyway barrett was a good fighter.
Can't tell you how happy I was for him, when he flipped out and dropped Tua in their first fight. One of the rare opportunities he have himself a glimpse of his true potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monte Barrett was pretty fuckin good at one point.
Im not disrespecting Louis or even bagging Conn. But Louis' defences were what they were and Conn was what he was.
Louis stands no chance against Bowe...
Bowe would not even be allowed to face an opponent as shit as Conn, no matter what the reasons!
Not too sure about Tyson vs Bowe or Louis' punch vs Holyfield's punch either but I guess it's not far fetched like the thread topic is!!
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's right. Lol. Why did I think owen beck won by KO? I'm getting old.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYea he was.. barrett was a formidable contender at one point but he could have been a lot more if he packed a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monte Barrett was pretty fuckin good at one point.
I remember him giving Joe mesi the business and giving Dominick Guinn his first loss..
I still cant believe that he got knocked out by owen beck on the judah-spinks 2 undercard.
Monte barrett at his best would wipe the fuckin floor with gene tunney and joe louis..
Idk bout that last part, but as I recall Barrett beat Beck in a seasaw battle. Looked it up and sure enough he TKO'd Beck in 9.
So you can rest easy he never lost to Owen "what the heck" Beck lol
Monte Barrett - Boxer
I remember watching this fight live too when judah knocked spinks the hell out to snatxh the undisputed title.
That was one of the most satisfying knockouts I've witnessed that year cuz I disliked spinks for getting that gift against mayorga the previous year. Shit was so bogus.
I also remember going to the liqour store after the fight and some hooker jumped into my car without even asking. I'm like wtf! Lol
Anyway barrett was a good fighter.
I agree whole heartedly on all of those points. My God did Spinks get a gift over Mayorga, been saying it for years.
Barrett is a nice guy; once wished me happy birthday on facebook.
He even tried to be a WWE wrassler a couple years ago, but I think it was just too late for him as he's about 40 now.
Pulled off some good upsets in his day.
We're not talking about who was the better HW champ, that honour goes to Joe Louis and I doubt anyone would argue. Say what you want about Louis' competition, he held the belt for a long time and became a legend, while Bowe showed flashes of greatness but didn't have the dedication and discipline to keep it going.
But I think this is the big flaw with a lot of people's logic when they talk about hypothetical match ups between past and present guys: they automatically pick the more "accomplished" guy and completely ignore the relevant info, like styles and physical attributes.
Who cares if Joe Louis was a better HW champ, held onto the strap longer, had more longevity, ect. We're not talking about who can fight the longest or who had the best discipline. We're talking about one night, one fight, prime vs prime. The Joe Louis who smashed Schmeling in one round vs the Bowe who beat up Holyfield.
If you look at the two guys, Bowe is bigger, he's stronger, he's longer, he has superior punching power and he has the better chin. Joe Louis was NEVER a slickster, he was a feared boxer/puncher who was almost always the big puncher and used that power as a deterrent, so I have serious doubts as to whether he would be able to outfox Bowe. It really looks bad for Louis when you look at it objectively.
Tyson's another guy who would have killed Louis.
Different times, different level of athletes.
Beanflicker seems to be on a roll!! lol
It drives me nuts. If I go and say "Floyd Mayweather has gone 18 years pro without a loss, and 16 years of that career was on the world stage fighting only champs and top 10 contenders", I'd get about 50 people going through his opponent list with a fine-toothed comb, "oh this guy sucks, that guy was too small, that guy was washed up, that guy was overrated, that guy was fighting at the wrong weight, ect". According to a lot of guys on here, Floyd never fought a real fight in his life. You talk to these people, the numbers don't matter at all, it's the quality. Fair enough.
Then those same people turn around and talk about how Joe Louis held the belt for 12 years, or Willie Pep has over 200 wins, ect. Where the fuck did the concern about quality over quantity go when now suddenly we're talking about old timers? These guys fought tons of bums. Joe Louis fought guys who had no business being in the ring with him for a lot of those years. Fat guys, frail guys, guys who had to be pushed into the ring by their corners because they were so scared.
Joe was the king for his time, but don't talk to me like he's going to whip a modern, 240lb monster with the same skills that he had. It's just crazy talk.
You have just encapsulated one of my most held principles. The same boxing fans who pump up past greats and dismiss the achievements of modern boxers would be completely disgusted if the modern fighter actually fought the same class of opponents that the old timer fought!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
wow.. lol looks like Max Power and Beans just killed this thread, absolutely destroyed it..
Anybody who tries to argue against that are just reaching..
This debate is over as far as im concerened..
Louis is going to beat Bowe huh? Lmfao ok..