This would be a barn-burner wouldnt it? Guess we're back with the Dream Matchups. Sonny Liston would land some hard-ass jabs I'll tell you that. But Holyfield has a coconut head. I see Holy wearing down Liston in about 9 rounds. Maybe a stoppage.
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This would be a barn-burner wouldnt it? Guess we're back with the Dream Matchups. Sonny Liston would land some hard-ass jabs I'll tell you that. But Holyfield has a coconut head. I see Holy wearing down Liston in about 9 rounds. Maybe a stoppage.
Assuming Liston doesnt take another dive, he would get knocked out in the late rounds..
Holy is too much for him..
Agreed with you guys, Holyroid wears out Liston and stops him late.
Yeah probably Holyfield in a great fight. I give Liston a better chance to live with some of the nineties HW's than a lot of greater HWs before him, I think.
would be a good match up similar to Holy/Foreman, but Holyfield would be too quick and mobile and would stop him late
Holyfield was a sucker for the end of a jab at times, and Liston had a solid jab. But Holyfield would keep turning him into killer combinations and be way too fast and steady for Liston.
probably would split that robot looking guard open with his head alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Holyfield by KO.
Liston too slow and plodding for Holyfield.
As soon as Liston faced what Holyfield would have considered a decent opponent he lost!
Liston would have cleaned up on Joe Louis though I reckon!!
the fight would never happen as Holyfield would fail the pre fight drugs test and be disqualified!
Drugs dont give you heart and skills, homey.. drugs are overblown in boxing. Its like who cares if a fighter takes drugs. Just allow all fighters to take drugs then it would be an even playing field..Quote:
Originally Posted by X
If that bum joe blow Lopez took drugs, would he be any better? He would still be a bum..
Drugs or no drugs, holy beats the diver Liston aka uncle tom..
Yep that's the truth ain't it. The steroid age gives a modern fighter 2 benefits, it can increase his strength to weight ratio to abnornmal levels which may be beneficial to a boxer but not really a sport specific attribute, power is different. The other thing is it can enable him to move up in weight much more successfully but at the new weight he must face other boxers of that weight anyway including the natural fighters of that weight who normally hit harder anyway. Hence they do not produce better boxers, or better fighters in and of themselves!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaDrugs dont give you heart and skills, homey.. drugs are overblown in boxing. Its like who cares if a fighter takes drugs. Just allow all fighters to take drugs then it would be an even playing field..Quote:
Originally Posted by X
If that bum joe blow Lopez took drugs, would he be any better? He would still be a bum..
Drugs or no drugs, holy beats the diver Liston aka uncle tom..
all good points, and Holyfield was a great fighter with serious cojones ...... But Liston was the naturally bigger fighter and another genuinely tough guy.
It would be a war, but I see Prime Liston (the one two or three years BEFORE he actually won the world title) as being to strong for Evander.
Holyfield starts brightly, quicker and a better boxer, but he gets drawn into a war and the weight of the Liston punch breaks him down for a late stoppage for Sonny
liston would have his moments because of his reach and stiff jab and the fact that holyfield doesnt have the greatest defense. holyfield would probably make him quit late in the fight though.
Holyfield was not a great heavyweight champion, he was not very consistent and had poor performances at times. Holyfield was probably at his best when he was undefeated and weighing 205lb but he did bulk up later but was slower and not has active. It would be a close fight because Sonny had a ram rod jab which I can see knocking the head back of Evander time and time again. Holyfield relied more on conditioning and determination when he beat Dokes, Thomas and Alex Stewart.
because of the ali "dives" its very difficult to say how good a fighter liston was
would holyfield have blasted out patterson the way liston did?
Liston is the bigger man naturally that's true, but as they were, Holyfield was a bigger man with the drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Holyfield was not a really hard puncher but he did KO Tyson and other hardchinned boxers and got the drop on others too and he was never really put down with anything less than multiple hard punches from great and sometimes giant boxers.
Liston might have been more powerful but we can only gague his power against the crap that he fought. Exclusively CW's and bums and losers represented his list of win opponents in entirety, let alone his KO's. I'm sure Holyfield could have KO'd nearly every single one of those opponents as well!
And what about the phantom punch? Assuming that was a legitimate KO (which I kinda doubt) then Sonny Liston was a pretty weak specimen really then and I would be more worried about Liston in one of those brawls than Holyfield!!
good point. Holy never blasted anybody out really.
blast out means 1 or 2 or 3 rds at most. OK he blasted big-titty Buster Douglas in 3. That doesnt count.
Holyfeild would make him quite also X he never failed a drug test in 26 year career so why would that even happen. Holyfeild would out hustle and box Liston till he throw in the towel. Patterson is the only win Liston had that was great and he was great Lhw not a hw really not the best chin.
Do not dismiss Liston too lightly, he beat decent fighters and he handled Patterson like he was a light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
That's because Patterson WAS a light HW!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo not dismiss Liston too lightly, he beat decent fighters and he handled Patterson like he was a light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Best win Patterson, that says it all. That there is enough to dismiss Liston outright!
You are laughig at David Haye who has wins over Valuev, Chisora, Harrison, Barrett, Mormeck etc yet are trying to use Floyd Patterso as some kind of proof of worth for Liston?
Double standards much!
The first and ONLY time met a decent opponent, he fucking lost!
What I was trying to say, which you completely missed the point, was yes he battered a light heavyweight as a good heavyweight would! How can you criticise him for stopping someone in round one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerThat's because Patterson WAS a light HW!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo not dismiss Liston too lightly, he beat decent fighters and he handled Patterson like he was a light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Best win Patterson, that says it all. That there is enough to dismiss Liston outright!
You are laughig at David Haye who has wins over Valuev, Chisora, Harrison, Barrett, Mormeck etc yet are trying to use Floyd Patterso as some kind of proof of worth for Liston?
Double standards much!
The first and ONLY time met a decent opponent, he fucking lost!
Alright, no I cannot. He did the job he was supposed to do.
All I will criticise Liston on is he has one of the most terrible list of opponents.
Bums, Cruisers, guys on loss streaks, combinations of the three.
That represents Liston's opponents in it's entirety!
Except one, Muhammad Ali, Shoulder injury and potential dive losses. Neither stimulating results for either Ali or Liston!!
Sonny beat the top contenders before he fought Floyd including Williams, Valdez, Folley and Machen. After he lost the title he carried on until he was 40 beating Wepner. He had a decent run.
https://youtu.be/LgThInYcqnw?si=QKQuZUx_wPigZmO- mismatch as shown here so anybody who voted son wins is obviously not sane,liston loses in the 1st