HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson
I guess we will never see Kovalev-stevenson now...
Stevenson will go to Showtime and face bernard hopkins.. so obvious.
HBO Passes on Stevenson-Fonfara; Open to Kovalev Bout - Boxing News
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hbo has way too much to say on what fights are made.... its ruining the match making!
Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson
Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson
That's weird, when was it supposed to happen? Lots of Haymon guys have faced each other on HBO, why blow the whistle for this kind of fight. Does Haymon have Kovalev as well, would that fight be affected:confused:
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I don't think Stevenson had any intention of facing Kovalev and its obvious with the shat he spouted off after signed by Showtime friendly Haymon. Like some mouthy kid who runs home and locks the door to start taunting from the safty of some upstairs window. I've got lots of problems with hbo but they we're persuing a lost cause once Stevenson made his mind up.
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I don't think Stevenson had any intention of facing Kovalev and its obvious with the shat he spouted off after signed by Showtime friendly Haymon. Like some mouthy kid who runs home and locks the door to start taunting from the safty of some upstairs window. I've got lots of problems with hbo but they we're persuing a lost cause once Stevenson made his mind up.
I agree. After he fought Bellew he was pretty much Shakin' Stevenson when he was asked about Kovalev in the interview. In the last month he started to be more vocal about how easy a fight Kovalev would be, then he signs with Haymon and moves to Showtime killing any chance of the fight being made. Bottom line, he didn't want the fight. The signs were there. Kovalev has few quality options available to him now.
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Duva: Stevenson Obviously 'Scared To Death' Of Kovalev - Boxing News
Here's a few excerpts
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We had a deal,” said Ray Stallone, HBO Sports’ spokesman. “It changed. It is not the way we do it.”
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HBO Sports passed on Stevenson-Fonfara after Stevenson’s representatives asked for more money to face Fonfara and refused to commit to facing Kovalev in his following fight if Stevenson won.
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“He’s running away,” Klimas said. “But again, it’s their plan. Is he running away because he’s afraid? Or is he running to get more money? Or maybe it’s both – fear and the money. You probably you can’t blame a man. He wants to get more money and he’s afraid. So it kind of makes sense.”
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“Back in January, the end of January, I made a deal with Yvon Michel,” Duva said, referencing Stevenson’s Quebec-based promoter. “The next day, Yvon and I made a deal with HBO, with [HBO Sports executive] Peter Nelson. We exchanged emails. The deal was done. And yet, Adonis, we’ve seen the way he has reacted every time he has had Sergey’s name mentioned to him – stuttering, acting like he doesn’t want to talk about it. It was kind of obvious Adonis went and did the one thing that was left for him to do to get out of this fight. And that was to sign with a guy [powerful adviser Al Haymon] who we all know makes sure the public doesn’t get to see the fights they want to see. So no one was surprised when the news came out that [after] he had found new management, after a multi-million-dollar deal had been negotiated on his behalf, that he didn’t want the fight with Sergey. He’s running.”
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HBO had a deal with Stevenson's promoter since January for the Fonfara fight then Kovalev in September. But they didn't get a contract drawn up and signed.
Haymon steps in and asks HBO for more money for the Fonfara fight. HBO says no. Showtime agrees to pay the money. Stevenson goes after the money.
HBO still have first refusal on two or three of Stevenson's future fights. They can outbid Showtime for Stevenson Hopkins or blow Showtime out of the water with a huge bid to put Stevenson in the ring with Kovalev. I think Stevenson will fight anybody as long as the money is right.
I'm amazed HBO are fucking around like this. Why didn't they get that contract signed and sealed months ago? Showtime are eating their lunch.
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Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson
Cant hate on that.. stevenson is getting old and dude is trying to maximize his earning..
I put myself in his shoes and its like, why wouldnt u go to showtime if their offer is better? Shit, I would rather face an old legend ( well so they say ) in hopkins on showtime for millions of dollars rather than fighting a killer like kovalev for less money.. business wise, it doesnt make sense to fight kovalev right now.
Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson
There was a deal in place for Kovalev to face Agnew, which is a stay-busy BS fight, and Stevenson to face Fonfara, which is a stay busy BS fight, and then for Kovalev and Stevenson to face each other. No one really cared about Agnew or Fonfara. Fans just wanted Kovalev against Stevenson. It looks like to me that Stevenson never really wanted to face Kovalev. Watch his post-fight interview after knocking out Bellew, he was already talking about Hopkins and Pascal and avoiding Kovalev. Now he gets an opportunity to go in another direction, and he jumps at it. Is anyone surprised? Basically, Stevenson would take HBO's money to face Fonfara, but didn't want to take their money to face Kovalev because he'd prefer to face Hopkins or Shumenov. This is a situation where "Blame Bob" and "Blame Al" aren't as applicable as "Blame Adonis."
The bottom line is we don't get Kovalev-Stevenson.
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What I find annoying is that some fighters think it's ok for Stevenson to chase the Hopkins fight yet will criticize Calzaghe's career by saying he beat an 'old' version of Hopkins. Either Hopkins is old and past it or his is a viable fight.
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I'd love to see Stevenson-Kovalev, but I think Stevenson-Hopkins is still great if that's the way things pan out. I have no idea the ins and outs of it, and for me personally I'd expect Stevenson to lose both guys clearly. Can't blame him for taking more money if that's how it goes though.
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I don't think Stevenson had any intention of facing Kovalev and its obvious with the shat he spouted off after signed by Showtime friendly Haymon. Like some mouthy kid who runs home and locks the door to start taunting from the safty of some upstairs window. I've got lots of problems with hbo but they we're persuing a lost cause once Stevenson made his mind up.
I agree. After he fought Bellew he was pretty much Shakin' Stevenson when he was asked about Kovalev in the interview. In the last month he started to be more vocal about how easy a fight Kovalev would be, then he signs with Haymon and moves to Showtime killing any chance of the fight being made. Bottom line, he didn't want the fight. The signs were there. Kovalev has few quality options available to him now.
It really is as simple as that. Fighters, god love em, have the right to search for the better deal and its the minority who actually have these type of options to maximize his earnings between competing premier networks. But its like being called back into renegotiate a sale on a car you've already agreed the terms on after driving it for a day. They featured him with the intent and build to a payoff and had "agreed" with him if only on a hand shake. Then he jumps ship, brings in a heavy who had to be half laughing going through the motions knowing HBO & Showtime are like fire and oil and then continues to pop off thumping his chest with insults while walking the other direction and trying to have it both ways. Stevenson didn't want to fight that man, he just cashed out when his hand was close to being called.
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Adonis Stevenson's Promoter Reveals on HBO and Kovalev - Boxing News
HBO could have had the Kovalev-Stevenson fight but didn't value it as much as they paid for Ward-Rodriguez. They paid three point one for the Ward fight but were only offering just over two for K-S. The deal sat on the table for a couple of months. If HBO had come up with close to three for K-S they would have had the fight. Now they let Stevenson walk away to Showtime. What a bunch of clowns.
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Adonis Stevenson's Promoter Reveals on HBO and Kovalev - Boxing News
HBO could have had the Kovalev-Stevenson fight but didn't value it as much as they paid for Ward-Rodriguez. They paid three point one for the Ward fight but were only offering just over two for K-S. The deal sat on the table for a couple of months. If HBO had come up with close to three for K-S they would have had the fight. Now they let Stevenson walk away to Showtime. What a bunch of clowns.
That's with Yvon's spin. Read between the lines a little.
Think about it this way. First, Kovalev agreed to the money and terms HBO offered. No balking. No re-negotiating. He would face Agnew first and then Stevenson for the deal offered. In contrast, Stevenson didn't. He balked at the money offered and tried to re-negotiate. Does that imply an eagerness to face Kovalev?
Second, Yvon doesn't address whether Stevenson would sign a two-fight deal that obligated him to face Kovalev if he beat Fonfara. Rather, Yvon discusses that he was going to get a bigger purse to fight Fonfara from Showtime than he would on HBO. What Stevenson wanted to do was get paid a lot of money to face Fonfara first and then have the option of renegotiating with HBO over the Kovalev fight. If you're HBO, you're only paying him a lot to face a stay-busy opponent like Fonfara, if he 100% agrees to face Kovalev when he wins.
Yvon admits that hard-core fans are missing out on a fight with Kovalev because of Stevenson ("for the fans, not for hard core fans") thinks a Hopkins fight is more lucrative. That's what happening here. It shouldn't be surprising because Stevenson didn't sound like he wanted to face Kovalev in his post fight interview following his last fight.
At bottom, who's fault is it that we aren't seeing them fight? Stevenson's. It is in the top 3 fights that fans are most looking forward to and now we aren't getting it. We thought we would see it after Kovalev and Stevenson shared a double header. Then Haymon got involved we aren't getting the fight. Who's better off? Stevenson. Who's not better off? Boxing fans.
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If they do not fight one another soon then both deserve to die and rot in hell.
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Adonis Stevenson's Promoter Reveals on HBO and Kovalev - Boxing News
HBO could have had the Kovalev-Stevenson fight but didn't value it as much as they paid for Ward-Rodriguez. They paid three point one for the Ward fight but were only offering just over two for K-S. The deal sat on the table for a couple of months. If HBO had come up with close to three for K-S they would have had the fight. Now they let Stevenson walk away to Showtime. What a bunch of clowns.
That's with Yvon's spin. Read between the lines a little.
Think about it this way.
First, Kovalev agreed to the money and terms HBO offered. No balking. No re-negotiating. He would face Agnew first and then Stevenson for the deal offered. In contrast, Stevenson didn't. He balked at the money offered and tried to re-negotiate. Does that imply an eagerness to face Kovalev?
Second, Yvon doesn't address whether Stevenson would sign a two-fight deal that obligated him to face Kovalev if he beat Fonfara. Rather, Yvon discusses that he was going to get a bigger purse to fight Fonfara from Showtime than he would on HBO. What Stevenson wanted to do was get paid a lot of money to face Fonfara first and then have the option of renegotiating with HBO over the Kovalev fight. If you're HBO, you're only paying him a lot to face a stay-busy opponent like Fonfara, if he 100% agrees to face Kovalev when he wins.
Yvon admits that hard-core fans are missing out on a fight with Kovalev because of Stevenson ("for the fans, not for hard core fans") thinks a Hopkins fight is more lucrative. That's what happening here. It shouldn't be surprising because Stevenson didn't sound like he wanted to face Kovalev in his post fight interview following his last fight.
At bottom, who's fault is it that we aren't seeing them fight? Stevenson's. It is in the top 3 fights that fans are most looking forward to and now we aren't getting it. We thought we would see it after Kovalev and Stevenson shared a double header. Then Haymon got involved we aren't getting the fight. Who's better off? Stevenson. Who's not better off? Boxing fans.
Some of the facts as we know them are open to different interpretations. From watching Stevenson get interviewed after his last fight and how I read the facts I don't think Stevenson has a problem fighting Kovalev, he's just 36 and he wants to maximise the amount of money he makes in the time he has left at the top. If HBO had offering him five million dollars he would have snapped their hand off.
None of these guys are frightened of fighting each other, they just want to make the most money they can. Stevenson fills a 20 000 seat arena in Canada when he fights. He's the top guy at 175. Kovalev is the challenger. He fought in front of 2000 people in a small arena in Atlantic City last weekend.
