Oliver McCall - opinions??
I once came across a guy on Boxing Forum 24 who had the most unusual rating system I had ever seen. I can't remember what his reasoning was, but his all time HW rankings although seemingly ludicrous at first glance were well thought out and difficult to counter when presented. He was of a mainly modernist view so his list featured no Ali's or Louis's or anything like that. His exact list eludes me now but in his very top tier he had Oliver McCall at number 1.
I personally think Oliver McCall was a very good boxer and it could be argued that LEnnox Lewis never convincingly beat Oliver McCall.
Obviously McCall suffered from drug problems and was inconsistent but that aside, taking the very best version of McCall we can, does anybody else believe the best Oliver would be a handful for any HW in history??
I myself can't count him out but I am somewhat divided on my opinion.
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That person's an idiot...
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His parents are probably idiots too...
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I remember that dopy ass thread too, he must have copy and pasted it here also a couple years ago ;D
Lewis convincingly beat McCall, it wasn't his responsibility to make sure he stayed off the pipe and complete rehab prior. McCall was more than a granite chin but he could be boxed and obviously distracted. I loved him catching Seldon way back and his highlight reel comeback ko of Akinwande.
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His parents are probably idiots too...
Haha, well he was "unique".
Back to the Future right? One of the best trilogies of all time!
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I remember that dopy ass thread too, he must have copy and pasted it here also a couple years ago
Lewis convincingly beat McCall, it wasn't his responsibility to make sure he stayed off the pipe and complete rehab prior. McCall was more than a granite chin but he could be boxed and obviously distracted. I loved him catching Seldon way back and his highlight reel comeback ko of Akinwande.
I seen him box very well and I also seen him handled. Drugs is no excuse sure. In the second Lewis fight though, I don't remember seeing Lennox outbox him clearly though. Maybe I should watch again.
He had some good moments but I the same of course wouldn't include him top 10.
I was just wondering if this high appraisal was shared among others for this 2nd tier champ. So far doesn't seem so!
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His parents are probably idiots too...
Haha, well he was "unique".
Back to the Future right?
You got it, Pontiac!
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McCall along with James Toney are two of the few guys in this sport who I consider as throwback fighters.
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McCall along with James Toney are two of the few guys in this sport who I consider as throwback fighters.
He was a fuckin tough bastard!! :)
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mccall was a good fighter. hell, he ko'ed lennox lewis, that should tell u something.
he hits real fucking hard, i can tell u that. i saw him fight in louisville KY, and met him. nice guy.
and no, i dont consider lewis beating him in that second fight. the guy had a breakdown. the record says he beat him, but not in my eyes.
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#1FightFan
mccall was a good fighter. hell, he ko'ed lennox lewis, that should tell u something.
he hits real fucking hard, i can tell u that. i saw him fight in louisville KY, and met him. nice guy.
and no, i dont consider lewis beating him in that second fight. the guy had a breakdown. the record says he beat him, but not in my eyes.
That's what I was trying to say above. I know mental issues is not an excuse but it is a reason.
I often defend the claim that Lewis beat every man he ever faced and it's true.
But I would also argue that he never "convincingly" beat McCall.
The die hard Lewtard tends to put forward that Lewis MADE him cry.
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I really like McCall a lot, he's one of the toughest ever. Powerful too and just a beast. He's still kickin too.
However, he's not in the top 10 hw champs of all time or probably even top 20.
He barely beat an old Larry Holmes and lost to Frank Bruno.
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Yeah for that status he should have been able to handle Larry and should NEVER have lost to Frank fucking Bruno. That's the other side of the coin.
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McCall lost to quality fighters like Douglas, Tucker, Hunter and Norris so he was not that good. He has one of the best chins in history but could be out boxed.
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HAHAHAHA. Mcall a throwback fighter?!! That is hilarious!!!! He was outboxed by Frank Bruno. Outboxed. Frank Bruno OUTBOXED him. He's a throwback to Tex Cobb, or Earnie Shavers, or Ron Lyle, or any other boxer who had a good chin and big punch. Usually when people refer to someone as a throwback, they mean skill wise and desire to fight anyone, anywhere. McCall was a journeyman with a big punch n great chin. Ray Mercer had more skills than McCall. Oliver would be lucky to crack the top 100 heavyweights ever. Just in his generation guys like Bowe,Holy, Tyson, Moorer, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, and both Klits would be ranked ahead of him. He was limited in skill and a head case. Even Ruiz accomplished more than McCall.
Definitely not a fan there then lol
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McCall is numner one because he struggled to best a 50 year old Holmes?;D
What does that make Mike Tyson;)
Maybe the super, Gold, emeritus champion?
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mikeeod
HAHAHAHA. Mcall a throwback fighter?!! That is hilarious!!!! He was outboxed by Frank Bruno. Outboxed. Frank Bruno OUTBOXED him.
Frank Bruno also outboxed Lennox Lewis before getting stopped, so don't sleep on Bruno like he's a bum.
I like McCall, not an amazing technical fighter but a handful for anyone with his granite chin and huge power.
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He is good fighter has a win over Lewis but was out boxed by Douglas, Bruno and should of lost to a 45 years Holmes and got huge gift. He would give a lot of people a run for there money but if they had a chin and could box then he was kinda out of luck pretty much then.
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#1FightFan
he hits real fucking hard, i can tell u that.
Mike Tyson made him quit in sparring
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he hits real fucking hard, i can tell u that.
Mike Tyson made him quit in sparring
Really? That's remarkable!!
Off topic but didn't Greg Page drop Tyson in sparring? That's also remarkable. Didn't see too much of that happening in the 80's.
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he hits real fucking hard, i can tell u that.
Mike Tyson made him quit in sparring
Really? That's remarkable!!
Off topic but didn't Greg Page drop Tyson in sparring? That's also remarkable. Didn't see too much of that happening in the 80's.
That was before the Douglas fight, just shows how Tyson was losing his skills and desire to fight.
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#1FightFan
he hits real fucking hard, i can tell u that.
Mike Tyson made him quit in sparring
Yes, I've seen the video. McCall was being hit in the kidneys too much. And was in a sparring mindset not a fighting mindset.
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I believe the flowered version of McCall would also have been a harder customer than when he was a sparring partner for Tyson anyway.
But my money'd be on Mike anyway of course!
