Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NEMIzhtQ1A

Wilder responds " An a 3 year old that wants to quit can bite a ear off too right"

Toney to Wilder " Ur a damn clown! How u gonna disrespect a legend like @miketyson? He'd whoop u today like I would! Ur a fake! Come see me!"

James toney worshipped mike tyson back in the day.

I dont know why these former heavyweights have to attack the new up and comer?!

Wilder is beating and ko whoever they pit in front of him..what is everyones problem.

Mike may have accomplished so much more at an early age but he also had more amatuer experience than WIlder did..

You look at Mike's ESPN highlights and youll see a bunch of long haired whiteboys and hippies we've never heard of..

Wilder has been talking alot lately though on fighthype.. This dude is acting like he scored an upset over Scott.. He says everybody expected him to lose to Scott but he proved them wrong..lol okayyyyyyy nobody fuckin gave Scott a chance so wtf is he talking about.

I think Tyson has earned the right to make any comments or thoughts about current fighters.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Mike may have accomplished so much more at an early age but he also had more amatuer experience than WIlder did..

You look at Mike's ESPN highlights and youll see a bunch of long haired whiteboys and hippies we've never heard of..

Wilder has been talking alot lately though on fighthype.. This dude is acting like he scored an upset over Scott.. He says everybody expected him to lose to Scott but he proved them wrong..lol okayyyyyyy nobody fuckin gave Scott a chance so wtf is he talking about.

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I gave Scott a chance and thought he could test Wilder.

However, by no means was I expecting Scott to win or dominate.

Tyson can say whatever he pleases, he always has.

Tyson only said what any Boxing fan that knows $#!t from shinola is wondering about wilder...

This guy hasn't fought a live one yet...

Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".

Wilder will only be fighting "live" oppponents from now on..

Its not his fault that he landed in this era..

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".

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True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..

As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".

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True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..

As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..

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Working hard but going no where.

I always thought Tyson and Toney did not get on?

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Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".

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True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..

As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..

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Working hard but going no where.

I always thought Tyson and Toney did not get on?

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Its too early to say that and besides, Gbp has total control over his career cuz theyve been building him from ground up.. wilder has no say right now..

He wants to fight the winner of arreola-stiverne and jennings-perez so we have to wait and see if he's serious..

03 Toney beats Mike the quitter..

Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.

I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.

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Originally Posted by Master

Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.

I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.

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Having a proper amount of amateur experience makes a world of difference as opposed to having a short one unless you are just one of a kind which wilder clearly isnt.. he doesnt have the foundation.. the guy barely learned how to throw a jab.. if Lennox lewis had to school him on a simple jab, theres something lacking there...

Chavez jr used to get babied too but he's now fighting the big guns.. wilder should get there shortly..

Mike fought a lot of guys earlier that may not have been world beaters, but when he fought guys at the ranked level and championship level, he was doing the same things he was doing to the lesser guys in the beginning. Mike was at a height and reach disadvantage for most of the guys he fought. He countered that with skill, speed and training. He wasn't winking, fixing his hair in the camera and giving shout outs before the opening bell because he had physical advantages over most of his opponents that allowed him to go out there and potshot guys with one-twos. He executed in the ring and then talked the garbage after the work was done. Wilder could have made a fight with a quality opponent and outclassed the guy on the way to a brutal knockout and tried to do it in a shorter time than mike with a similar caliber opponent and said something after. Instead he's squeaking from obscurity at the youngest heavyweight champ in history.

It's just another sign that Wilder is just another guy looking to cash in. He's not even proved himself yet but he's got his own promotional banner? He's looking to cash in then skip out to an early retirement and make money off the backs of other fighters. Tyson's been through just about everything there is to go through in boxing and saw every side of the business. I hate to say it but I expected a much more tragic ending for him long before now considering the road he was headed down. He's still around and speaking from a position of experience.

Did some math.

Wilder's opponents' combined records:

426 Wins - 196 Losses - 19 Draws.

Percentage-wise:
66.46 % Wins.
30.58 % Losses.
2.96 % Draws.

Over 5 years as a pro, this 28 year old undefeated fighter still has fought no one of consequence yet regarding World Class Boxing. He should've been in there with some Top 10 guys by now, someone that really gonna be fighting back.
A fighter doesn't develop nor learn anything unless his management steps up the competition each time out. Are they scared to put him in there with a live one?
It's over-protecting, and stagnating this fighter's development.

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Did some math.

Wilder's opponents' combined records:

426 Wins - 196 Losses - 19 Draws.

Percentage-wise:
66.46 % Wins.
30.58 % Losses.
2.96 % Draws.

Over 5 years as a pro, this 28 year old undefeated fighter still has fought no one of consequence yet regarding World Class Boxing. He should've been in there with some Top 10 guys by now, someone that really gonna be fighting back.
A fighter doesn't develop nor learn anything unless his management steps up the competition each time out. Are they scared to put him in there with a live one?
It's over-protecting, and stagnating this fighter's development.

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They must know something we do not know yet.

His chin could be suspect. I saw david haye catching him with a clean right hand in sparring and it looked like wilder froze for a sec..

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His chin could be suspect. I saw david haye catching him with a clean right hand in sparring and it looked like wilder froze for a sec..

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Haye can hit so no shame there but hope he does not have an Audley Harrison chin.

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His chin could be suspect. I saw david haye catching him with a clean right hand in sparring and it looked like wilder froze for a sec..

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Haye can hit so no shame there but hope he does not have an Audley Harrison chin.

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There are exceptions but generally, tall black fighters with skinny legs cant take a punch..

Wilder dont strike me as the type with a solid chin.

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Originally Posted by X

I think Tyson has earned the right to make any comments or thoughts about current fighters.

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I agree with Tyson.

There is a chin problem with Wilder.
2 short clips below, only about 1 minute each, worth a look.

Wilder turned pro Nov 2008 at 23 years old.
Here he is 9 months earlier, Feb 2008, as a 22 year old Amateur getting knocked around and down by Evgenyi Romanov (born in 1985 same as Wilder.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpWqvX3_PW4



David Haye sparring Wilder in 2013. Haye was rocking him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7tzdZvOWkY

Quite easy to see the liability and susceptibility in this fighter.
Bur hey, Wladimir had some chin issues until Stewart joined him in 2004 and gradually worked out the kinks in his style, developed him, helped him learn to protect the vulnerable chin.

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Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.

I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.

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Having a proper amount of amateur experience makes a world of difference as opposed to having a short one unless you are just one of a kind which wilder clearly isnt.. he doesnt have the foundation.. the guy barely learned how to throw a jab.. if Lennox lewis had to school him on a simple jab, theres something lacking there...

Chavez jr used to get babied too but he's now fighting the big guns.. wilder should get there shortly..

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Veras a big gun?

Who the hell invited FAT TUB OF LARD ASS, James "Big Mac" Toney to butt (pun fully intended) in to the conversation?? Go back to your dinner plate, you slurring clown. Only way Toney beats Wilder right now is in an "All-you-can-eat" contest at the neighborhood greasy spoon.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Mike may have accomplished so much more at an early age but he also had more amatuer experience than WIlder did..

You look at Mike's ESPN highlights and youll see a bunch of long haired whiteboys and hippies we've never heard of..

Wilder has been talking alot lately though on fighthype.. This dude is acting like he scored an upset over Scott.. He says everybody expected him to lose to Scott but he proved them wrong..lol okayyyyyyy nobody fuckin gave Scott a chance so wtf is he talking about.

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Go back and check that thread, a lot of fans have Scott a chance. Some gave him more than an even chance is the way I remember it.

so wilders promo team are lining up a fight with toney..... bit of a crap fight but whatever... he's never been stopped and hopefully makes wilder work for more than 3 rounds

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".

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True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..

As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..

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Yeh but it's probably the biggest shot he's taken from a respected heavyweight ;D Mikes always wearing in on the sleeve and really Wilder needs to hear it. You can expect detractors and doubters in the fans but Wilder should take stock in the underlying perspective. It's ironic coming from a guy who also knocked over a truck load of guys in quickies coming up but Mikes saying until you've faced fire and taken a punch it could just as easily say everything about the level your people feel your really at as it does your protected puffed up ko power.

I really feel more and more the powers in charge are trying to walk the china shop through the bull herd with Wilder. I don't see him learning or working a whole lot all that much and it's going to catch up badly when his punch is actually slipped and he doesn't know how to get outta the way.

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I think Tyson has earned the right to make any comments or thoughts about current fighters.

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I agree with Tyson.

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I think Tyson has the right to say anything he wants, also. I also think he should show some class, unlike the rest of us. LOL He is a promoter, businessman and hopefully a mentor who should be trying to project a positive image along with some good advice.
He had a great chance to do a lot of good when he was younger and for whatever reasons it didn't work out. I hope he doesn't let a second chance slip through his fingers. I'm hopeful this squabble, if there is one, is a one time thing.
Mike Tyson an honest, truthful promoter and businessman. Yeah!!
Mike Tyson a hot tempered, loud mouthed, headhunting promoter and businessman. Hell no!!

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Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".

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True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..

As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..

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Yeh but it's probably the biggest shot he's taken from a respected heavyweight ;D Mikes always wearing in on the sleeve and really Wilder needs to hear it. You can expect detractors and doubters in the fans but Wilder should take stock in the underlying perspective. It's ironic coming from a guy who also knocked over a truck load of guys in quickies coming up but Mikes saying until you've faced fire and taken a punch it could just as easily say everything about the level your people feel your really at as it does your protected puffed up ko power.

I really feel more and more the powers in charge are trying to walk the china shop through the bull herd with Wilder. I don't see him learning or working a whole lot all that much and it's going to catch up badly when his punch is actually slipped and he doesn't know how to get outta the way.

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Bullshit! Utter bullshit!

Mike won the WBC title within 2 years or turning pro!

The level of fighter that Wlder is stagnating on 6 years in to his pro career is the level of fighter Mike was facing within his first year! Jesse Ferguson beats everyone that Wilder has faced.....

At the same point in Mikes career, 6 years in, he had beaten 3 seperate defending belt holders and had defended all the unified titles 6 successfull times (something no other fighter from any division has done).

Mike can say what the fuck he wants. Hes on everyones greatest list, no matter where, hes there.

Until Wilder gets beaten we cant judge him to much , he will have to step up soon , he has nowhere else to go .If he fails then we will judge him.

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Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.

I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.

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Having a proper amount of amateur experience makes a world of difference as opposed to having a short one unless you are just one of a kind which wilder clearly isnt.. he doesnt have the foundation.. the guy barely learned how to throw a jab.. if Lennox lewis had to school him on a simple jab, theres something lacking there...

Chavez jr used to get babied too but he's now fighting the big guns.. wilder should get there shortly..

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Veras a big gun?

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No, Finito is finally admitting the much smaller Golovkin is a big gun, though obviously not as tested and improved as Tyson Fury who has just faced the mighty Abel.

Tyson '89 vs Wilder on his best night? Who wins?

Exactly.

So Tyson can say what he wants to whoever he wants.

The guys boxing royalty.

I haven't heard the whole interview but just going by that 1 minute clip I don't see the problem. Aren't we all wondering how Wilder or any knockout artist responds when his opponent fights back without any intimidation or showing too much respect for his power. I think its fair of Tyson to wonder that.

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Until Wilder gets beaten we cant judge him to much , he will have to step up soon , he has nowhere else to go .If he fails then we will judge him.

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We can make a judgement on the level of opponent hes facing 6 years in to his career.

Hes miles behind everyone else.

Tyson used to cop shit for fighting cabbies during the first half of his career but that only extended over a couple of years. 6 years and 30 fights is a bit much to be bumming his way still.

To be fair Wilder has fought a couple of faded champs and former contenders now so he is slowly making his way forward.

Tyson vs Wilder could be interesting. Wilder is faster and more powerful and taller and more aggressive than any opponent Tyson ever faced.

Tyson also had more and more difficulties the larger his opponents got, both in weight and in height. Tyson did beat guys 6'4" and taller but they were all bums. He also showed the usual drop in performance as the weight of his opponents increased (a symbiotic explanation for his performance decline in the 90's when the opponents suddenly got bigger and tougher).

But having cleared Wilder of unworthiness I still think Tyson would KO him based on the fact he has questionable chin and stamina and his is not hefty enough for his height, I think he is unbalanced. Tyson could hurt his body and chop him down to size.

I'm still not convinced that his last "win" wasn't a fix.

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I'm still not convinced that his last "win" wasn't a fix.

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I like Wilder and want to see him succeed, but neither am I. That was a bad one.

wilder vs helenius, that would finally be a good test for him!!! and a dangerous one at that.

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Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.

I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.

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Having a proper amount of amateur experience makes a world of difference as opposed to having a short one unless you are just one of a kind which wilder clearly isnt.. he doesnt have the foundation.. the guy barely learned how to throw a jab.. if Lennox lewis had to school him on a simple jab, theres something lacking there...

Chavez jr used to get babied too but he's now fighting the big guns.. wilder should get there shortly..

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Veras a big gun?

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Jr started fighting the big guns well over a year ago, my friend.. Martinez..

Vera was just a easy tuneup that Jr didnt even have to train for.. That's the only reason why the first fight was competitive.

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Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.

I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.

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Having a proper amount of amateur experience makes a world of difference as opposed to having a short one unless you are just one of a kind which wilder clearly isnt.. he doesnt have the foundation.. the guy barely learned how to throw a jab.. if Lennox lewis had to school him on a simple jab, theres something lacking there...

Chavez jr used to get babied too but he's now fighting the big guns.. wilder should get there shortly..

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Veras a big gun?

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No, Finito is finally admitting the much smaller Golovkin is a big gun, though obviously not as tested and improved as Tyson Fury who has just faced the mighty Abel.

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My friend, Fury has beaten an undefeated Chisora in 2011 and has added KEvin Johnson and Cunningham to his resume since then.. You see the gradual progress? Those three fighters are P4P so much better than anybody GGfake has beaten..

Name one, A level opponent on GGG's resume.. Thank you..

I'd like to see wilder succeed but understand he has taken a longer time than usual.
Aside from Russell and Andrade, Wilder is the last from 08 team to face a challenge.

Tyson didn't even make his Olympic team.
Tyson did unify the belts in total dominance.
But:
He unified the titles from an era of boxers who couldn't defend the title twice without losing it.
Why didnt he talk of a rematch when he did lose?? No clause in the contract against Douglass who wasn't even ranked. Who sanctioned that?

And when Tyson's class graduated from the Olympic to pros, he went to jail, so we never saw Tyson against the best of the early 90's:Lewis, Tua,Bowe, Moorer, Ibeabuchi, heck Forman came out of retirement to face Tyson.
So Tyson fought Holmes.
One ranked fighter:Ruddock and Tyson struggled

After prison rather than fight gatekeepers liker Mercer, Cooper, Briggs, Rahman he fought Mcneely and Buster Mathis, former cw orlin norris, Loue Savareese, and a dude named Francis.

And if Wilder had a fight that looked fixed....can't say I disagree, then what about Tyson vs Seldon? Listen to the boos from the crowd when those 2 knockdowns occurred.
No one talks or shows highlight reel from Tyson-Seldon.

Wilder has taken longer than Ward who was coddled, so i can't blame the criticism he garners, but Tyson talking...
Tyson is the most exciting fighter who cleaned out all the bums, then never won a fight against a top ranked fighter in the second part of his career:12years? And never avenged a single loss.