Benitez/Duran/Hagler/Hearns/Leonard- let's sort it out.

Benitez beat Duran but lost to Hearns and Leonard. 1- 2

Duran beat Leonard once but lost the second time and third time. He also lost to Benitez, Hagler and Hearns. 1 - 5.

Leonard beat Duran two out of three times, beat Hearns once and drew the other and beat Benitez and Hagler. 5 - 1- 1

Hearns lost to Leonard once and drew the second time, lost to Hagler, but beat Duran and Benitez. 2 - 1 - 1

Hagler beat Duran and Hearns, but lost to Leonard. 2 -1

You guys like to shit on Leonard, but he fought all of them and won all but one- one in which he avenged.

In my ranking:
Leonard
Hagler (only because I feel he would have beaten Benitez, or else I would have put Hearns ahead)
Hearns (if he had won a rematch vs. Hagler and won the rematch vs. Leonard, he could have come first)
Benitez
Duran

1. Leonard

2. Duran

3. Hagler

4. Hearns

5. Benitez

Who shits on Leonard? He clearly was the #1 guy in that era.

People can make all the excuses they want for why Leonard won those fights, but in the end he knocked out Tommy Hearns, knocked out Benitez, made one of the toughest guys in boxing history quit, and came back from a 3 year layoff and, without even a tune-up fight, challenged and beat one of the greatest and most destructive middleweight champs in the history of boxing.

Leonard is boxing royalty and always will be.

Leonard did not "beat Hearns twice". His official record against Tommy is 1-0-1.

Treating it as 1-1 is justified imo. To be fair, putting more weight on the first fight, since they were both in their prime, is also justified.

But treating their rivalry as 2-0 for Leonard is not.

Although your a bit a numb nuts ydksfdklfld or whatever your name is...

I think I like your logic on this one!! :)

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

1. Leonard

2. Duran

3. Hagler

4. Hearns

5. Benitez

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Look im a Hearns fan as you probably know , however that order is fair I think. When you write those names down you remember how great that era was.

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Originally Posted by Manju

Leonard did not "beat Hearns twice". His official record against Tommy is 1-0-1.

Treating it as 1-1 is justified imo. To be fair, putting more weight on the first fight, since they were both in their prime, is also justified.

But treating their rivalry as 2-0 for Leonard is not.

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Yes, Hearns won that second fight and even Ray admitted that then and still does as of recent. And to be official...Ray beat Duran a second time later in their careers. So he is 2-1 against Duran. Hearns was a match up hell for him which is evident in both fights.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

1. Leonard

2. Duran

3. Hagler

4. Hearns

5. Benitez

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Look im a Hearns fan as you probably know , however that order is fair I think. When you write those names down you remember how great that era was.

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Please explain to me how Duran being second is fair? He lost to everyone on that list.

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Originally Posted by jehoshaphat

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

1. Leonard

2. Duran

3. Hagler

4. Hearns

5. Benitez

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Look im a Hearns fan as you probably know , however that order is fair I think. When you write those names down you remember how great that era was.

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Please explain to me how Duran being second is fair? He lost to everyone on that list.

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Of course its all subjective , Duran starting at LW , gave him a big disadvantage , however did Duran have more historical impact than Benitez and Hearns , I think probably.
Also Marvin was great so maybe he could be second , its a tough one. As for Duran yes he got starched by Tommy , however he went on to beat Barkley who twice beat Tommy , its hard to pick the list - fact.

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Originally Posted by Manju

Leonard did not "beat Hearns twice". His official record against Tommy is 1-0-1.

Treating it as 1-1 is justified imo. To be fair, putting more weight on the first fight, since they were both in their prime, is also justified.

But treating their rivalry as 2-0 for Leonard is not.

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Agreed, Hearns won the 2nd fight and got robbed.

But like you alluded to, the first fight is the important one and Leonard came out on top.

1. Leonard
2. Hagler
3. Hearns
4. Duran

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Originally Posted by Manju

Leonard did not "beat Hearns twice". His official record against Tommy is 1-0-1.

Treating it as 1-1 is justified imo. To be fair, putting more weight on the first fight, since they were both in their prime, is also justified.

But treating their rivalry as 2-0 for Leonard is not.

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I changed it. But I did have Leonard winning the fight.
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Originally Posted by jehoshaphat

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Originally Posted by Manju

Leonard did not "beat Hearns twice". His official record against Tommy is 1-0-1.

Treating it as 1-1 is justified imo. To be fair, putting more weight on the first fight, since they were both in their prime, is also justified.

But treating their rivalry as 2-0 for Leonard is not.

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Yes, Hearns won that second fight and even Ray admitted that then and still does as of recent. And to be official...Ray beat Duran a second time later in their careers. So he is 2-1 against Duran. Hearns was a match up hell for him which is evident in both fights.

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I changed that too. And makes it seem even more weird to have Duran ahead of Hagler and Hearns.

As champions of their best weight
Duran
Hagler
Leonard
Hearns
Benitez

P4P
Duran
Hearns
Leonard
Hagler
Benitez

My favourite
Hearns
Hagler
Duran
Benitez
Leonard

I feel that Marvin beat Leonard n was ripped off, so to me he was 3-0 in those fights. That being said, it is tough for me to rank Hagler, Duran, and Leonard historically/p4p against each other.
Duran: possibly greatest 135 pounder ever n multiple division champ. Skipped Jr. Welter to move up n beat ATG prime Leonard. Beat Davey Moore for 154 title, n have Hagler a hard fight at 160. The hit against him is that he was inconsistent, even in his prime. Quit against Leonard n was blown out vs Hearns.

Hagler: In the running for greatest middleweight champ ever. One of the most fearsome fighters ever who stopped a prime Hearns in greatest middleweight fight in history. Argument against is that most of his biggest fights were vs guys moving up (Leonard, Hearns, Duran) n he never moved out of his weight class.

Leonard: Great multi-division champ with wins over prime HOF fighters Benitez, Hearns, Duran, Hagler. Fight vs Hearns was one of the greatest welter fights in history n proved how great both fighters were. Argument against is the disputed win vs Hagler, draw vs Hearns, n the fact that due to his multiple retirements he didn't have the body of work/extended dominance that Hagler n Duran had.

For me I rank in this order:
Leonard
Hagler
Duran
Hearns
Benitez
I can see a case made for ranking the top 3 differently though.

Some of you are questioning why I rated Duran over Hagler and Hearns.

Keep in mind that lightweight was his prime weight division and he moved up to beat a young Leonard even when he was past his best.. Hagler couldnt even beat Leonard who was coming off of a long layoff..

Sure he lost to Hearns but that was more of a style thing and he still beat a prime Leonard who beat the man but more importantly, he moved up again to beat Iran Barkley who had knocked out Hearns in the previous bout.. Lastly, Duran went 15 rounds with Hagler and fought well enough to a point where some fans questioned the verdict.. Hearns got KTFO early by Hagler..

It's criminal to rate Hagler and Hearns over Roberto Duran..

That particular era: Hagler >>>> Duran

All Time: Duran >>>> Hagler

Imo, Duran took a legacy hit fighting in that era, whether "No Mas" had ever happened or not.

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Benitez beat Duran but lost to Hearns and Leonard. 1- 2

Duran beat Leonard once but lost the second time and third time. He also lost to Benitez, Hagler and Hearns. 1 - 5.

Leonard beat Duran two out of three times, beat Hearns once and drew the other and beat Benitez and Hagler. 5 - 1- 1

Hearns lost to Leonard once and drew the second time, lost to Hagler, but beat Duran and Benitez. 2 - 1 - 1

Hagler beat Duran and Hearns, but lost to Leonard. 2 -1

You guys like to shit on Leonard, but he fought all of them and won all but one- one in which he avenged.

In my ranking:
Leonard
Hagler (only because I feel he would have beaten Benitez, or else I would have put Hearns ahead)
Hearns (if he had won a rematch vs. Hagler and won the rematch vs. Leonard, he could have come first)
Benitez
Duran

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This is why they coined p4p title.
Duran was the lightest, oldest and the meanest. In his prime, see Leonard fight, p4p, he would skin them all.
He was as tough as Hagler, but much smarter as a boxers,
He was slick and quick almost like Leonard, but much tougher
He would destroy Hearns in the same fashion Hagler did and out-punch Benitez like Leonard.

Duran was a God of Boxing War, who became flesh because of his obsession with donuts and bacon.