Does Floyd have more to lose than any other figher in history if he loses a fight?

I can't think of another fighter with so much to lose due to a single loss. Ali, Hagler, Holmes, Leonard, Robinson,.......Even if Floyd avenged his loss, it wouldn't make that much of a difference because his antagonists have already gotten there satisfaction and his legacy had already been tarnished.

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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

I can't think of another fighter with so much to lose due to a single loss. Ali, Hagler, Holmes, Leonard, Robinson,.......Even if Floyd avenged his loss, it wouldn't make that much of a difference because his antagonists have already gotten there satisfaction and his legacy had already been tarnished.

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His entire image is built on invincibility so yes.

Yes but it also depends on how he loses and to whom.

Floyd's superstardom was built on his undefeated record and without that, he wouldn't have been the cashcow that he is today.

People aren't thrilled by his style and there is no way that he wouldve been this huge without that zero.

His squeaky clean record is his angle.

What he has at risk is "potential" earnings. Who else in history has been in the same position?

Oscar? Tyson? Holyfield? Pacquiao?

Oscar just got old but lost his potential inside the ring.
Tyson arguably lost his potential both outside the ring and inside the ring.
Holyfield also got old and lost it inside the ring.
Pacquiao?

I'd say yes.

Would you guys say that Roy Jones was in this same category before he ultimately lost? I mean, he had that invincible factor working for him.

Well yeah, in this day and age a single loss is seen as bummifying by comparison and it would hamper Floyd's marketability significantly more than any other fighter now or before because of his attitude problem and his stigma being based around his "0" or pll wanting to see it lost.

As for economically, it would barely make any difference whatsoever to Floyd, he is so rich anyway!

Yes, because people HATE Floyd and the second he loses, people will say "SEE, he was only undefeated all these years because he ducked everyone good, when he finally fought someone tough he lost!! SEE!!!"

To me, Floyd is one of the top 3 greatest of all time who ever got in the ring. People discredit him and say he ducked the hardest fights, which is nonsense.

But ok, assume that's true: Floyd always had one or two guys he avoided because he thought they could beat him.

Floyd has been a world champion since 1998, when he beat Genaro Hernandez. That's 16 years, 16 FUCKING YEARS, of fighting nothing but championship fights against other champions or top 10 ranked contenders, without a loss.

That kind of consistency over time is unheard of in any sport. Hopkins has had great longevity, but he's dropped numerous fights along the way.

To always come in in top shape, never underestimate a guy, and get shit done for 16 years against champions and top 10 opposition without so much as ONE slip up is, in itself, remarkable.

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Yep, Americans with their obsessive focus on being #1, and nothing else matters except #1.

To the mainstream masses, yeah, a single loss would destroy the illusion he created, but the masses don't know he ducked every top prime guy for 8 years (Ricky Hatton excluded, Hatton was the sole top prime guy Floyd fought during those 8 years, and Floyd had help in there from ref joe cortez.)

His record is NOT squeaky clean, he should have 2 losses on it.
1. Every real Boxing fan KNOWS Castillo whupped him that time in 2002 and got robbed.

2. The real fans also know that in the Judah fight, there should have been an automatic DQ the instant Floyd's cornerman climbed into the ring during the rd and went after Judah. That was complete bull$#!t. Ref richard steele was about to take points from Judah for Judah's foul tactics, but crackhead roger's actions of storming the ring during the fight, that's an automatic DQ anyway you slice it! Steele broke the rules of Boxing there, and he was told by someone to keep that fight going after they cleared the ring of all the rioters.


A case could be made for a 3rd loss against Oscar De La Hoya instead of a split-decision. Crap-tastic fight because of Floyd's unwillingness to fight, but I think De La Hoya won that one on effective aggression. Not that it was very effective aggression, but Oscar was the only one doing a damn thing in there.

PLUS Floyd had all those losses as an amateur unlike Sugar Ray Robinson as an amateur.
It's why Floyd's a bronze medalist.

Real fans knows it's not a squeaky clean undefeated record at all, but the mainstream idiots don't their @$$hole from a hole-in-the-ground regarding Boxing.

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A case could be made for a 3rd loss against Oscar De La Hoya instead of a split-decision. Crap-tastic fight because of Floyd's unwillingness to fight, but I think De La Hoya won that one on effective aggression. Not that it was very effective aggression, but Oscar was the only one doing a damn thing in there.

PLUS Floyd had all those losses as an amateur unlike Sugar Ray Robinson as an amateur.
It's why Floyd's a bronze medalist.

Real fans knows it's not a squeaky clean undefeated record at all, but the mainstream idiots don't their @$$hole from a hole-in-the-ground regarding Boxing.

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The Castillo fight for sure could have went to Castillo, but Oscar? Really? Anyone who thinks Oscar won that fight doesn't know boxing and has no business scoring a fight.

And who really cares about what someone did as an amateur? And if you want to talk robberies, Floyd got robbed in the olympics.

I'd love to hear your list of who Floyd ducked and when Floyd ducked them.

First Bradlee, hahahahahaha. Just no

Second, no. Floyds earning power would be crushed but he has a deal with Showtime that covers for that possibility. A few years ago the answer would be yes but not now that his career is guaranteed. Legacy wise, the guy was number 2 P4P in 1999, 15 years later he is number 1. If you think a guy can have that kind of longevity on top of the sport and one fight will determine his legacy, well I don't even know where to begin breaking down how wrong you are.

I ask this question all the time. Why is the mayweather-Judah fight never in question when Floyd's career is concerned? Zab controlled rounds, landed hard punches and was in there better than anyone else who has ever fought mayweather. He did have the fouls, but here is the largest question I have about that fight, Why was Floyd not DQ'ed when roger mayweather came into the ring ? Isn't that a DQ? I'm a Judah fan so maybe that's why I look at this differently but it gets hardly any attention and I have no idea why.

It is an automatic DQ, the rules were broken there in Mayweather's favor.

Not DQing Floyd in the 2006 Judah match didn't make much sense, Floyd wasn't the big Draw yet. If this World Champ wasn't drawing money, which he wasn't, then why were promoters willing to bend the rules for him like that?

The year before in 2005, Floyd had boxed Gatti, but Gatti was the real Draw there, even if he was past-his-prime.

A Champ since 1998, Floyd wasn't drawing much for like 7 years till he started boxing huge Draws like Gatti, Hatton, and De La Hoya.

Floyd wasn't a proven Draw on his own name till 2009 against Marquez.

You guys may have a point there, I don't know why he wasn't DQed. But to be fair, would anyone really have given Floyd crap about a DQ loss? No one really cares about Roy/Montell Griffin 1, because Roy lost by knocking out while he was on his knees then he knocked him out again in the rematch.

I'm still interested in know who exactly Floyd ducked for 16 years? And when?

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Originally Posted by DannyV297

I ask this question all the time. Why is the mayweather-Judah fight never in question when Floyd's career is concerned? Zab controlled rounds, landed hard punches and was in there better than anyone else who has ever fought mayweather. He did have the fouls, but here is the largest question I have about that fight, Why wasn't Floyd DQ'ed when rogermayweather came into the ring ? Isn't that a DQ? I'm a Judah fan so maybe that's why I look at this differently but it gets hardly any attention and I have no idea why.

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Jab Judah is one of the worst losers I've seen. When things don't go his way in a fight he falls apart.
Why wasn't Floyd DQed. HE was fouled. Floyd's uncle jumped in the ring. Floyd didn't do anything wrong except make Judah look bad. Judah was doing everything he could to get the fight stopped, a pretty damned cowardly display, in my opinion and you want to DQ Floyd. I'm not even a big Floyd fan, but that never entered my mind.

Boxing does not revolve around Floyd.

Tyson lost more financially.
Joe Louis would have lost more politically.
Black people lost more when Jack Johnson won.

After the fight, the purses for both fighters were withheld until video of the fight could be reviewed. Don King argued that Mayweather should have been disqualified because his uncle was the first person to enter the ring. At an April 13 hearing, the Nevada State Athletic Commission fined Roger Mayweather $200,000 and revoked his boxing license for one year. At a hearing on May 8, the Commission disciplined the other offenders in the melee. It fined Yoel Judah $100,000 and revoked his license for one year, fined Mayweather cornerman Leonard Ellerbe $50,000 and suspended his license for four months, and fined Zab Judah $350,000 and revoked his license for one year.

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

After the fight, the purses for both fighters were withheld until video of the fight could be reviewed. Don King argued that Mayweather should have been disqualified because his uncle was the first person to enter the ring. At an April 13 hearing, the Nevada State Athletic Commission fined Roger Mayweather $200,000 and revoked his boxing license for one year. At a hearing on May 8, the Commission disciplined the other offenders in the melee. It fined Yoel Judah $100,000 and revoked his license for one year, fined Mayweather cornerman Leonard Ellerbe $50,000 and suspended his license for four months, and fined Zab Judah $350,000 and revoked his license for one year.

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So basically the NSAC cashed in BIG TIME and all was forgotten haha.

Money makes the world go around...

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxing does not revolve around Floyd.

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Actually it kinda does.

I think you could also argue that Zabs low blow/rabbit punch combo was grounds for an immediate DQ, that was a complete thug move and he essentially quit right there to me.

As for this thread, he empirically has less to lose than just about any fighter in history:rolleyes: Practically every fighter in boxing save for a dozen or so guys is fighting for their entire life, their families well being, every time they step into the ring. Unless one would assume that some guy trying to climb up the rankings and make his first hundred thousand in the sport shouldn't be as worried about a life of destitution the way Floyd will the things we type about him, I think this thread is a bit off base:D

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Originally Posted by DannyV297

I ask this question all the time. Why is the mayweather-Judah fight never in question when Floyd's career is concerned? Zab controlled rounds, landed hard punches and was in there better than anyone else who has ever fought mayweather. He did have the fouls, but here is the largest question I have about that fight, Why wasn't Floyd DQ'ed when rogermayweather came into the ring ? Isn't that a DQ? I'm a Judah fan so maybe that's why I look at this differently but it gets hardly any attention and I have no idea why.

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Jab Judah is one of the worst losers I've seen. When things don't go his way in a fight he falls apart.
Why wasn't Floyd DQed. HE was fouled. Floyd's uncle jumped in the ring. Floyd didn't do anything wrong except make Judah look bad. Judah was doing everything he could to get the fight stopped, a pretty damned cowardly display, in my opinion and you want to DQ Floyd. I'm not even a big Floyd fan, but that never entered my mind.

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Your corner can't just outright enter the ring during a fight. That's a DQ. Floyd fan or not. Fouls or not. You can't do that. Should've been a DQ Loss

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

After the fight, the purses for both fighters were withheld until video of the fight could be reviewed. Don King argued that Mayweather should have been disqualified because his uncle was the first person to enter the ring. At an April 13 hearing, the Nevada State Athletic Commission fined Roger Mayweather $200,000 and revoked his boxing license for one year. At a hearing on May 8, the Commission disciplined the other offenders in the melee. It fined r the o Yoel Judah $100,000 and revoked his license for one year, fined Mayweather cornerman Leonard Ellerbe $50,000 and suspended his license for four months, and fined Zab Judah sseem$350,000 and revoked his license for one year.

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Thanks for the information, I'm a stickler for the rules myself, as long as the fouled fighter does not get screwed. The Commission seems to have felt the same way. Good for them!

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I ask this question all the time. Why is the mayweather-Judah fight never in question when Floyd's career is concerned? Zab controlled rounds, landed hard punches and was in there better than anyone else who has ever fought mayweather. He did have the fouls, but here is the largest question I have about that fight, Why wasn't Floyd DQ'ed when rogermayweather came into the ring ? Isn't that a DQ? I'm a Judah fan so maybe that's why I look at this differently but it gets hardly any attention and I have no idea why.

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Jab Judah is one of the worst losers I've seen. When things don't go his way in a fight he falls apart.
Why wasn't Floyd DQed. HE was fouled. Floyd's uncle jumped in the ring. Floyd didn't do anything wrong except make Judah look bad. Judah was doing everything he could to get the fight stopped, a pretty damned cowardly display, in my opinion and you want to DQ Floyd. I'm not even a big Floyd fan, but that never entered my mind.

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Your corner can't just outright enter the ring during a fight. That's a DQ. Floyd fan or not. Fouls or not. You can't do that. Should've been a DQ Loss

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Can't agree sir, why would you want the fouled fighter to be DQed, especially when the other people's actions and reactions are not under his control?

I agree Judah caused it by fouling but that doesn't give the fouled fighters corner an excuse to jump in the ring and cause a riot.

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxing does not revolve around Floyd.

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Actually it kinda does.

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Only in your dream world.

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Originally Posted by Master

Only in your dream world.

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Oh, silly me, I must have dreamt the fact that Mayweather generates more money for boxing than everyone else combined.

I guess you're right. Mayweather is just another one of the guys... ;D

Mayweather generates more money for Mayweather

I think he does. I'm not sure about historically, he will still be HOF and be cited in boxing as long as boxing exists but Floyd built a brand for himself and part of that brand is his 45 have tried and 45 have failed. In the short time it lessen the Floyd mystique and show he is human. I don't think he has to worry about losing against Maidana, I think Maidana will be flailing and punching at air similar to Canelo. Ad Floyd said part of his greatest is picking his fights and he will continue to do so. Despite that he is still an amazing at athlete, his new motto is TBE, the best ever. He will be remembered as one of the best ever. I don'tt like much about him but he is a wonder to watch in the ring. The boxing cold war has certainly helped Floyd but I think we the fans have missed out on a lot of fights.

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

I agree Judah caused it by fouling but that doesn't give the fouled fighters corner an excuse to jump in the ring and cause a riot.

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I agree, but you can't have it both ways in this instance. If you want to follow the letter of the law, yes, there was a solid reason to DQ Floyd. If you want to follow the spirit of the law, you are not going to DQ a fouled fighter when he has no control over other people's actions.
Judah continued to play the fool after the melee started, if he had done anything to quieten the situation down, his fine would have a lot less, in my opinion.

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I agree Judah caused it by fouling but that doesn't give the fouled fighters corner an excuse to jump in the ring and cause a riot.

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I agree, but you can't have it both ways in this instance. If you want to follow the letter of the law, yes, there was a solid reason to DQ Floyd. If you want to follow the spirit of the law, you are not going to DQ a fouled fighter when he has no control over other people's actions.
Judah continued to play the fool after the melee started, if he had done anything to quieten the situation down, his fine would have a lot less, in my opinion.

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I'm sure the corners are aware that going up to the ring during the 3 mins will cause their fighter to be DQ'd. Now you can't bend the rules for fighters they should be strictly enforced. Trainer , second assist , or cut man jump into the ring its a automatic DQ. Now Judah's fouls should have called for a point deduction not a DQ at the moment. Was he warned for rabbit punches or low blows previous to that?

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxing does not revolve around Floyd.

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Actually it kinda does.

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No it doesn't, you idiot.

No fighter, I REPEAT, no fighter is bigger than the sport.



...and just so you know, that idiot crack isn't a personal insult...


It's the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxing does not revolve around Floyd.

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Actually it kinda does.

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No it doesn't, you idiot.

No fighter, I REPEAT, no fighter is bigger than the sport.



...and just so you know, that idiot crack isn't a personal insult...


It's the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.

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I think Floyd and his father think he is.

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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012

I agree Judah caused it by fouling but that doesn't give the fouled fighters corner an excuse to jump in the ring and cause a riot.

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Exactly.

At the time they explained that it wasn't a DQ because the clock was stopped due to the foul but that doesn't hold water. I look at it as a situation where they used their discretion to arrive at what was right rather than what was in accordance with the rules. Floyd did the right thing throughout the entire process. Roger was wrong but he was so quick to overreact because he said it would happen before the fight and he was spot on. Everyone was punished accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Mayweather generates more money for Mayweather

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Mayweather is crazy rich, but he's also generating crazy revenue for GBP and Showtime, and like it or not, that revenue is used to sign other fighters and put on other fights.

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No it doesn't, you idiot.

No fighter, I REPEAT, no fighter is bigger than the sport.


...and just so you know, that idiot crack isn't a personal insult...


It's the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.

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I don't take it personally, I would be more put off if I had an idiot agreeing with me ;D

Sorry, but there are fighters who are bigger than the sport. Boxing doesn't sell itself, it's a superstar-driven sport. Nobody flocks to arenas because of a big sign that says "LIVE BOXING TONIGHT". They flocked to arenas to see names like Floyd Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Hatton, DLH, Tyson, Leonard, Ali, ect ect. Boxing is kept alive and relevant by it's superstars.

So when you have a guy who sells 2.2 million PPV's in his last fight, in a sport that only has a handful of guys that are even worth putting on PPV, yeah that guy is bigger than the sport.

How would this upset compare to say,

Turpin/Robinson
Tyson/Douglas
Honeyghan/Curry
Zivic/Armstrong
Backus/Napoles
Laing/Duran
Braddock/Baer

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