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I just think he's a good athlete with a big punch but I dont see the " great " boxing skills that some of you talk about.. He's a good fighter and maybe he'll get better but I dont think he's great as he's cracked up to be..
What do you see in Thurman that separates him from the likes of POrter, Brook, and the other top talents at WW?
Oh yea, and he needs to cut his gay hair and watch out for the fashion police cuz he dont know how to dress.
Like you said , he is a great athlete but he hasn't yet developed as a great boxer. He is fast ,athletic and a power puncher and we will see what happens when he steps up
He's enjoyable to watch and that's the main thing
Yeah, finally someone who is actually watchable. Sure, he is certainly not polished, but why be so concerned about what may or may not happen down the road and enjoy what he's doing now and see him progress?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I'm tired of duds like Devon Alexander being propped up.
Yeah, but you can't fault a guy for trying to make a living.
Never know how far a guy's talent can take him unless he dedicates himself and gives it his best shot. Some guy's can surprise you.
I love most of boxing but Thurman just brings the action. I do like Alexander at times like when he schooled maidana that was good to see and the KO of urangoQuote:
Originally Posted by SleepwalkerYeah, finally someone who is actually watchable. Sure, he is certainly not polished, but why be so concerned about what may or may not happen down the road and enjoy what he's doing now and see him progress?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I'm tired of duds like Devon Alexander being propped up.
He hasn't fought a lot of big names, hasn't had a lot of fights but you guys talk about being a great athlete in ho-hum manner.
I'm not comparing him to RJJ, but being a great athlete is a real good thing and he seems to be fast on the uptake. You could say I'm sold on him.
Not sure how you measure great. Seems fans have different views on what that actually means. If we are expecting someone to measure up to Floyd then we may be in for a long wait. We are in an era that has manufactured greatness. Lots of "Stars"Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
What I see in Thurman that seems to lack in many today is an old school simple bad ass mentality. The mentality can also be seen in the way he carries himself, his body language. I think that if he was in charge of his own career he'd most likely fight anybody. We both know how careers are steered with very few that call their own shots. The mikmen are many.
He looks to me to have better skills the Porter but less then Brook but with that Lamotta like mentality he could most definitely beat or even dominate better skilled opponents. He may also have been born in the wrong era. He could get a little pacified in todays market and lose that edge that he brought with him.
I much prefer the look of Jeff Horn.
There are different levels of greatness. Floyd and Roy are special breeds that come along once every 50 years or so and nobody expects to see that often. One doesn't have to be on their level to be regarded as great because greatness comes in many forms and they are in a class of their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNot sure how you measure great. Seems fans have different views on what that actually means. If we are expecting someone to measure up to Floyd then we may be in for a long wait. We are in an era that has manufactured greatness. Lots of "Stars"Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
What I see in Thurman that seems to lack in many today is an old school simple bad ass mentality. The mentality can also be seen in the way he carries himself, his body language. I think that if he was in charge of his own career he'd most likely fight anybody. We both know how careers are steered with very few that call their own shots. The mikmen are many.
He looks to me to have better skills the Porter but less then Brook but with that Lamotta like mentality he could most definitely beat or even dominate better skilled opponents. He may also have been born in the wrong era. He could get a little pacified in todays market and lose that edge that he brought with him.
All I'm saying is while Thurman is good, he's not great as some people think he is and that's just my opinion.
He is still growing as a fighter so we will see.
He's a prospect, I'm not sure how well I could be sold on one. If he becomes a "champ" then I'll judge it based on his title defenses.
He reminds me of a WW David Haye: an athletic, mobile, EXPLOSIVE bomber.
When you have that kind of one-punch power, of course the technique will sometimes suffer and skillfulness will be put on the back burner in pursuit of the KO.
I'm a big believer in Thurman though. I expect him to destroy tonight and hopefully set up a bigger WW fight with a guy like Porter. That would be a fuckin war.
I am sold on him and hope he becomes a super star. Put him in with Guerrero, Berto, Porter, Brooks and Devon.
That's a fair comparison actually, David Haye.. in another words he's an ambush fighter with a lack of real substance..Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's a fair comparison actually, David Haye.. in another words he's an ambush fighter with a lack of real substance..Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Haha we shall see. I liked David Haye other than his outside of the ring nonsense and his "owww my poor toe" excuses.
I'm sold on the notion that he has better than average power for a WW, and can possibly take that power right up to MW.
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:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
I'm not going to go that far... hahahahahhahhaa..... but I believe he can take a decent amount of his power upwards. Not bone-crushing kayo power, but enough to make guys wanna quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
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You think he can hit harder than Curtis Stevens?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not going to go that far... hahahahahhahhaa..... but I believe he can take a decent amount of his power upwards. Not bone-crushing kayo power, but enough to make guys wanna quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
:cool:
Stevens is overrated... plus he looks like a Roid-er. Make him do tests and then come back and tell me....Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou think he can hit harder than Curtis Stevens?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not going to go that far... hahahahahhahhaa..... but I believe he can take a decent amount of his power upwards. Not bone-crushing kayo power, but enough to make guys wanna quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
:cool:
I agree he's not much as a fighter but that's beside the point here..Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaStevens is overrated... plus he looks like a Roid-er. Make him do tests and then come back and tell me....Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou think he can hit harder than Curtis Stevens?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not going to go that far... hahahahahhahhaa..... but I believe he can take a decent amount of his power upwards. Not bone-crushing kayo power, but enough to make guys wanna quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
:cool:
Do you think the overrated Thurman punches harder than him?
BTW, roids dont give you punching power..
Thurman may punch as equally effective as him, or better... power is something one can't just say: one punches harder than the other. But, I would say, Thurman can hit harder than Stevens at MW.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaI agree he's not much as a fighter but that's beside the point here..Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaStevens is overrated... plus he looks like a Roid-er. Make him do tests and then come back and tell me....Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou think he can hit harder than Curtis Stevens?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not going to go that far... hahahahahhahhaa..... but I believe he can take a decent amount of his power upwards. Not bone-crushing kayo power, but enough to make guys wanna quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
:cool:
Do you think the overrated Thurman punches harder than him?
BTW, roids dont give you punching power..
Roids do give you punching power... it gives you extra energy, at the very least. Late in the game one just doesn't "surge" ala Chavez Sr. vs. Meldrick Taylor and win fights. Stevens is a poster child for Roids.
On that Stacker 2, and Stacker 2 is lame compared to the stuff these dudes are on these days, I would take kayo power into 4pm in the morning- after training, work, beers and sex.
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Card thread here ??? Showtime extreme is about to start. Jermall Charlo beating up meeting Hector Munoz in main
No but enhances reflexes which does aid in KO increase. So your response is not entirely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaI agree he's not much as a fighter but that's beside the point here..Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaStevens is overrated... plus he looks like a Roid-er. Make him do tests and then come back and tell me....Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou think he can hit harder than Curtis Stevens?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm not going to go that far... hahahahahhahhaa..... but I believe he can take a decent amount of his power upwards. Not bone-crushing kayo power, but enough to make guys wanna quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Id be surprised if he hit harder than Canelo..
:cool:
Do you think the overrated Thurman punches harder than him?
BTW, roids dont give you punching power..
Great post. I thought Thurman was underrated but with recent chatter I think the pendulum has swung. I'm not sure how we define greatness either. For instance I think he would dominate and stop Marquez right now. But I don't think he'll ever be as good as Marquez if that makes any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNot sure how you measure great. Seems fans have different views on what that actually means. If we are expecting someone to measure up to Floyd then we may be in for a long wait. We are in an era that has manufactured greatness. Lots of "Stars"Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
What I see in Thurman that seems to lack in many today is an old school simple bad ass mentality. The mentality can also be seen in the way he carries himself, his body language. I think that if he was in charge of his own career he'd most likely fight anybody. We both know how careers are steered with very few that call their own shots. The mikmen are many.
He looks to me to have better skills the Porter but less then Brook but with that Lamotta like mentality he could most definitely beat or even dominate better skilled opponents. He may also have been born in the wrong era. He could get a little pacified in todays market and lose that edge that he brought with him.
Makes 100% senses. I believe he would also crush Pac but do not believe he will ever be greater than the two. It's all relative to timingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonGreat post. I thought Thurman was underrated but with recent chatter I think the pendulum has swung. I'm not sure how we define greatness either. For instance I think he would dominate and stop Marquez right now. But I don't think he'll ever be as good as Marquez if that makes any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNot sure how you measure great. Seems fans have different views on what that actually means. If we are expecting someone to measure up to Floyd then we may be in for a long wait. We are in an era that has manufactured greatness. Lots of "Stars"Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
What I see in Thurman that seems to lack in many today is an old school simple bad ass mentality. The mentality can also be seen in the way he carries himself, his body language. I think that if he was in charge of his own career he'd most likely fight anybody. We both know how careers are steered with very few that call their own shots. The mikmen are many.
He looks to me to have better skills the Porter but less then Brook but with that Lamotta like mentality he could most definitely beat or even dominate better skilled opponents. He may also have been born in the wrong era. He could get a little pacified in todays market and lose that edge that he brought with him.
Well I think hes fuc*ing awesome. Dangerous on the back foot. Powerful with good stamina. Shuts his opponents out. The guy gets hit but if you are a fighter like him that takes risks to win, your gonna get hit. He is very easy to watch. Im a fan and think he is the next big thing.
No no and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's a fair comparison actually, David Haye.. in another words he's an ambush fighter with a lack of real substance..Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Thurman is more durable than Haye...plus he brings a plan B into the ring..not to mention he has a damn good team behind him.
He can box his ass off when he has to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leighton
he is very athletic but seems like a fighter who will eventually get totally outboxed by a random opponent then be considered exposed but then comeback and beat a top guy. he is one of those fighters who has some great qualities which will help him beat some great fighters but also lacks certain qualities which make him very beatable.
i agree that if we are looking for another boxing superstar then thurman is not it. i believe that he will be around for a long time though beating good fighters and spending time as the champion.
Selling Thurman short I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
You can only hope he doesn't become a star...I don't see anybody stopping him from being just that.
He is exciting but I have been bitten before, I thought Berto was going to be the next great thing. I want him to do well but always have doubt after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneSelling Thurman short I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
You can only hope he doesn't become a star...I don't see anybody stopping him from being just that.