How does Fury do against the winner of that fight?
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How does Fury do against the winner of that fight?
I think it would be very interesting to see...Stiverne is probably easier for Fury because he's a bit lazy in the ring, just has the big counter right. Arreola vs Fury would be more of a battle but both fights depend on Fury's focus and chin....both which are questionable.
I agree with Kabong... Stiverne is the easier fight due to styles.. He's not all that active inside the ring he's exactly the type of guy who Fury can tee off against..
Easy fight for Fury..
Arreola is kind of dangerous though man..
I think Stiverne could be a force. He has a solid chin, he can punch, he's a good counter-puncher, and he has a decent jab. If he worked on his head movement and stamina, he could give a lot of fighters trouble.
Stiverne is good enough to get hold of a paper title once Wlad retires but I dont think he has the X factor to be a force..Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
He doesn't have the size, speed, and the punching power to be a real force in the HW division.
He's just decent by today's standards..
If you let him hit you but whos he beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Adamek beat him comfortably.
If we judge how Adamek managed with Cunningham at heavy compared to Arreola I think Arreola is being over rated a little.
Stiverne has power. He floored Arreola, who has an iron chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaStiverne is good enough to get hold of a paper title once Wlad retires but I dont think he has the X factor to be a force..Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
He doesn't have the size, speed, and the punching power to be a real force in the HW division.
He's just decent by today's standards..
Stiverne can make good money as a Barry White lookalike if he loses the rematch.
Both beat Fury for me as he has a weak chin and is easy to hit.
Im looking forward to - Barry White v Elephant seal 2.
Stiverne could indeed shock Fury make no mistake about it. When I said Stiverne is "lazy in the ring" I meant because he doesn't throw a lot of punches...however he's a pure counter puncher so if Fury wants to wing punches at him and have the defensive mindset that nobody can hurt him like in the Cunningham fight then he'll be in big trouble vs Bermane.
Arreola SHOULD be able to take care of Stiverne in the rematch as long as he doesn't get smashed by another big right cross off the shnoz
If Stiverne beats Arreola again, is he for real?
I think his power makes him "for real" already. sure he has trouble with the sweet science part of the sport but when in range he can drop anyone. I reckon he's this era's David Tua or Hasim Rahman...got a big punch, decent-ish chin, that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Adamek fight was close enough and your judging from a fight over 4 years ago which isnt fair. Lets judge Fury on his 1st fight with McDermott performance then.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf you let him hit you but whos he beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Adamek beat him comfortably.
If we judge how Adamek managed with Cunningham at heavy compared to Arreola I think Arreola is being over rated a little.
I think it all depends on what condition the chaps come in at. Both are notorious for coming in overweight and out of shape. I think Arreola stops him because he has a very solid chin and can bang and Fury is easy to hit.
Finito - who do you think should be favorite for the Arreola - Stivern fight? Arreola looks in decent shape.
Furys first fight with McDermott was only his 8th and was in his first year as a pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAdamek fight was close enough and your judging from a fight over 4 years ago which isnt fair. Lets judge Fury on his 1st fight with McDermott performance then.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf you let him hit you but whos he beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Adamek beat him comfortably.
If we judge how Adamek managed with Cunningham at heavy compared to Arreola I think Arreola is being over rated a little.
I think it all depends on what condition the chaps come in at. Both are notorious for coming in overweight and out of shape. I think Arreola stops him because he has a very solid chin and can bang and Fury is easy to hit.
Finito - who do you think should be favorite for the Arreola - Stivern fight? Arreola looks in decent shape.
Arreolas loss to Adamek was like 7 years in to his career, after he had challenged for a world title and in his 29th fight!
No similarity what so ever!
One was a complete novice, the other an experienced seasoned campaigner!
I hope Fury beats either of them but I bet that whoever wins they will try and make some money making some easy defences.
I wouldn't want fury to win whoever he is fighting I'm waiting for him to get koed which will be soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Turn that frown upside down and learn to live with him because hes going to be around for long while yet;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlI wouldn't want fury to win whoever he is fighting I'm waiting for him to get koed which will be soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Stiverne would be a test for Fury who got Chisora but Stiverne is better.
Arreola would bang Fury out within a few rounds I have only little doubt.
I agree fury is garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Fury is great at crunching CWs or slow fighters.
He will crumple against a power pressure fighter like Chris and I don't think the Fury punches would deter iron chin Arreola much, Fury is not Vitali.
So Fury would be great at crunching Adamek?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
I think your being a dick but in fact that'd be an interesting fight.
I think Adamek can take a lot of Fury's shots and has very good skills. But then there's the size isn't there. It's hard to say whether Adamek could clown Fury to a UD or Fury could eventually wear him down like he did Cunningham.
Even fight prime4prime but Adamek is slowing right down now apparently so I dunno about it now. I would edge Fury for the win if I had to bet right now.
I think Fury's sloppiness would get him knocked out by a Stiverne counter.
Stiverne is a pretty good fighter, the way he slips the punches is quite well in the heavyweight division! And shit he floored Arreola, and if it was earlier in the round I think he would have KOed Arreola! Now Fury to me is like a Michael Grant just a big dude who was pushed through the division fighting bums, and when he is going to step up he is going to get crushed! So I will say Bermane has a very good chance of destroying that tub Fury!
Fury has a win over Chisora. Chisora isn't a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitalifan4life
Not with Peter Fury in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Do you idiots want to explain what Peter Fury has ever done as a trainer , and it was his brilliance that got his fighter floored by a light punching journeyman and a light punching former CW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24Not with Peter Fury in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Stop being so sulky it gets boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlDo you idiots want to explain what Peter Fury has ever done as a trainer , and it was his brilliance that got his fighter floored by a light punching journeyman and a light punching former CW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24Not with Peter Fury in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
The proof is in the pudding. All Peters fighters are undefeated under him;)
Peter is a good trainer. He's a genuine hard man with a big reputation among his peers who know him and his history and he doesn't allow his fighters to slack in training.
Just look at the shape he got Chambers in after only a couple of months. Chambers has been all over the place and really rates Peter. If he didn't he wouldn't be there wasting his time. He's gone up in weight and is in better shape, punching harder and more often and has just stopped two durable opponents.
Peters philosophy is if you are a fighting man you fight anyone, as long as the money is there. He's not going to take the short end of a shitty stick. He managed to negotiate with Adam Booth that Tyson and Haye split 50/50 and a £5 million pay day each.
Just keep watching Al. You will love it;)
I agree that Stiverne's counter punching might undo Fury.
Chisora is definitely not a bum, but Stiverne is also big and strong but technically much better than Chisora.
It's unsure Fury can beat that because he's not been tested against anything at that level yet.
Peter Fury can't be knocked on his record as a trainer yet, that's true.
I have seen some of his YouTube training camps though and he doesn't LOOK like a really good trainer in the conditioning department to me. As a boxing coach he is probably very good though. He HAS brought Tyson Fury a long way to be honest from what he was.
Undefeated at level 2 some great trainer that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossStop being so sulky it gets boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlDo you idiots want to explain what Peter Fury has ever done as a trainer , and it was his brilliance that got his fighter floored by a light punching journeyman and a light punching former CW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24Not with Peter Fury in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
The proof is in the pudding. All Peters fighters are undefeated under him;)
Peter is a good trainer. He's a genuine hard man with a big reputation among his peers who know him and his history and he doesn't allow his fighters to slack in training.
Just look at the shape he got Chambers in after only a couple of months. Chambers has been all over the place and really rates Peter. If he didn't he wouldn't be there wasting his time. He's gone up in weight and is in better shape, punching harder and more often and has just stopped two durable opponents.
Peters philosophy is if you are a fighting man you fight anyone, as long as the money is there. He's not going to take the short end of a shitty stick. He managed to negotiate with Adam Booth that Tyson and Haye split 50/50 and a £5 million pay day each.
Just keep watching Al. You will love it;)
By the way me being sulky as you call it , is being realistic based on fact , what is boring is your fellow pikey allegiance to the unproven fury , so yes lets chat when he fights a live opponent and get beat very soon.
Your blinded because you love him .
Fury will DEFINITELY be defeated.
He does not have what it takes to become HW champion from his current vantage point imo. Too many fights against top opponents for him to wade through to not get busted on the way now.
Peter Fury wasn't in Tyson's corner for the Cunningham fight, he couldn't get a visa to enter the U.S. His reaction to the fight was that Tyson's performance had been '2 out of 10' and 'more of a bar fight than a boxing match'. His camps are rigorous and his knowledge of nutrition and the sweet science are thorough. Judge Tyson and Peter when they've really been tested, they need a chance to show their ability against the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlDo you idiots want to explain what Peter Fury has ever done as a trainer , and it was his brilliance that got his fighter floored by a light punching journeyman and a light punching former CW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24Not with Peter Fury in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Well that just about seals him the heavyweight championship of the world then judging by your other opinions;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
You get upset like you have a personal interest there somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlUndefeated at level 2 some great trainer that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossStop being so sulky it gets boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlDo you idiots want to explain what Peter Fury has ever done as a trainer , and it was his brilliance that got his fighter floored by a light punching journeyman and a light punching former CW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24Not with Peter Fury in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
The proof is in the pudding. All Peters fighters are undefeated under him;)
Peter is a good trainer. He's a genuine hard man with a big reputation among his peers who know him and his history and he doesn't allow his fighters to slack in training.
Just look at the shape he got Chambers in after only a couple of months. Chambers has been all over the place and really rates Peter. If he didn't he wouldn't be there wasting his time. He's gone up in weight and is in better shape, punching harder and more often and has just stopped two durable opponents.
Peters philosophy is if you are a fighting man you fight anyone, as long as the money is there. He's not going to take the short end of a shitty stick. He managed to negotiate with Adam Booth that Tyson and Haye split 50/50 and a £5 million pay day each.
Just keep watching Al. You will love it;)
By the way me being sulky as you call it , is being realistic based on fact , what is boring is your fellow pikey allegiance to the unproven fury , so yes lets chat when he fights a live opponent and get beat very soon.
Your blinded because you love him .
Did you pay them for materials on a driveway job and they just fucked off with your cash?
Just telling it how it is @ross ;)