He looks massive and fit. While talking with his normal arrogance he hasn't talked nearly as much. Has he learned and taken the sport seriously or is he just not that good?
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He looks massive and fit. While talking with his normal arrogance he hasn't talked nearly as much. Has he learned and taken the sport seriously or is he just not that good?
He's on the championship level, but I thought he had problems with Paulie at 147 and Paulie is really a true junior welterweight. Bottom line is he's good enough to win a belt but not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Based in large part of the pollution of trinkets its all but a certainty. By the sounds of it Garcia will defend again, vacate and jump to 147 and Broner will slide in to face the ill refutable "Not Rated", maybe a Jesse Vargas who I think he'll steam roll cause we all know he'll be weighing 147+ at the bell. Herrera getting a shot would be just! Peterson is standing around twiddling his thumbs with a trinket he shouldn't own? Personally I prefer to see him go against Matthysse or a Provo and get stomped out like a used up cigarette butt. Broner can win all the trinkets he wants but I don't see him making the adjustments in mind and skill to ever be ahead of also ran frankly. I'd bet the house on that, and maybe even my neighbors.
I thought Jessie Vargas was with Top Rank these days. If so their MO is to pick up belts without fighting champs unless it's TR/TR. I believe Jessie is the "regular champ" to Garcias "super champ" so if Garcia vacated Vargas would probably face the interim champ to become full champ.(assuming the interim champ is TR. Provodnikov has tthe WBO I believe and Peterson the IBF. That leaves the WBC(again assuming Garcia vacates). That could be why Shaeffer is talking about a Broner/Matthysse matchup. Unless Haymon can pull some strings there is no easy way to a belt. Two are difficult to sign against(Prov, Vargas) and two are likely to be difficult matchups(Peterson and likely Matthysse)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm sure he will pick up a belt whenever there is an easy opportunity. Whether he could beat any of the top guys is anybody's guess. I can't see him going anywhere near Provo, Matthyse or Garcia any time soon, but I think there are a bunch of pretty even fights out there without those guys. Peterson, Herrera, Jessie Vargas or even John Molina, or Hank Lundy for that mater. Those are all legit match ups I'd give Broner a good chance in.
I really have a Peterson or Herrera feel, the family/associate break down is too true but Haymon has darn near signed a small country of players as of late...betting they are high fiving in the backroom regardless and knowing it makes bank for all. Haymon is a puppet master. Broner is top 5 in ibf 147 and wouldn't shock to see him fill a wide open top spot at 140 for a Vargas go. He lost some of his pop and appeal after last fight with Khabib I think and should be thankful just to be keeping it warm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI thought Jessie Vargas was with Top Rank these days. If so their MO is to pick up belts without fighting champs unless it's TR/TR. I believe Jessie is the "regular champ" to Garcias "super champ" so if Garcia vacated Vargas would probably face the interim champ to become full champ.(assuming the interim champ is TR. Provodnikov has tthe WBO I believe and Peterson the IBF. That leaves the WBC(again assuming Garcia vacates). That could be why Shaeffer is talking about a Broner/Matthysse matchup. Unless Haymon can pull some strings there is no easy way to a belt. Two are difficult to sign against(Prov, Vargas) and two are likely to be difficult matchups(Peterson and likely Matthysse)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Broner suffered massive damage in the Maidana fight. He will not be the same at ANY weight. Looking massive and being the same are 2 totally different things. Broner is shot to shit. He may get 1 more KO on his record, then he will lose 3 in a row and go the DAVID THE AMERICAN DREAM REID route.
Broner definitely had his ass handed to him by Maidana, but "suffered massive damage", I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I'm not ready to throw Broner out with the trash yet. I still think he is almost as good as he thinks, and hope the results this Saturday will make things clear for us.
Only belt that looks half decent on him are those played out, tacky ass Gucci belts every brotha loves to wear, thinking they making some kinda fashion statement. So fuckin tacky smh.lol
These new school rap generation couldn't spell " class " and " style " to save their lives.
Understated fashion is real fashion. Any clothes that has a big logo on the front like look at me, I'm wearing gucci is called tackyness.
Men with pizazz don't wear no big logo shit.
Broner would have stayed down vs Tito. He slipped more punches with one eye than Broner could even as a jellyfishQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
i think broner can be a very good fighter
i think he is in the position he is in now due to terrible match making
i think if he carear is driven wisely then he can find himself in a very good position
Broner sucks balls. He got beaten by Maidana not because of the weight, but because he does dumb shit like pull back from hooks while dropping his hands. If a primitive cunt like Maidana takes one round to completely figure out and unravel your defensive game plan AND you're supposedly a defensive fighter then you're fucked. He should have had a field day against a looper like that. Anyone with only the same ring IQ as Chino but who can actually throw sharp counters is going to pump this cunt even harder. I'm praying that one day I'll be able to Google this clown and see post fight images of his corpse on some autopsy table along with his master of coonery Floyd.
Win a belt? No problem. Broner is world class for sure.
I was hoping for a unification fight between Garcia and Peterson. Both are Haymon fighters so they should be able to get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I don't think terrible matchmaking has anything to do with it. Up to, and including, the Maidana fight...Broner was the heavy favorite against all the guys he faced. But you could see weaknesses in his game early. For all his physical talent...his defense was vastly overrated. Add to that his clear lack of discipline...and it was only a matter of time before he was exposed. Basically Broner wanted to be Floyd without having any of the foundation that Mayweather built before his "Money" persona. His handlers will feed him some B/C level talent to build him up again...but i am by no means confident in him being a great champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I think he can win a trinket and could put up a good fight against Danny Garica.
Broner likes to walk people down. If he fought that way against garcia, he would get timed and KTFO..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Nigga would get hit so hard hed be doing the twerk and shit.
Yes, he likes to walk people down. They obviously respect his power. He had Paulie on his heels for a good portion of the fight. By he doesn't throw punches half the time he has his opponents going back.He just kept walking Paulie down eating his jab. I must admit I'm not the most technically knowledgeable boxing fan but why the he'll does he do that. Doesn't he watch his fights ans see his missed opportunitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaBroner likes to walk people down. If he fought that way against garcia, he would get timed and KTFO..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Nigga would get hit so hard hed be doing the twerk and shit.
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Originally Posted by walrusYes, he likes to walk people down. They obviously respect his power. He had Paulie on his heels for a good portion of the fight. By he doesn't throw punches half the time he has his opponents going back.He just kept walking Paulie down eating his jab. I must admit I'm not the most technically knowledgeable boxing fan but why the he'll does he do that. Doesn't he watch his fights ans see his missed opportunitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaBroner likes to walk people down. If he fought that way against garcia, he would get timed and KTFO..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Nigga would get hit so hard hed be doing the twerk and shit.
That's my issue as well. Not just lazy approaching but when he does throw it's often the wrong punch. That's actually what intrigues me. If he could do as well as he has doing the wrong things at the wrong times, how good could he be if he figured it out. There's the rub, can he...
What is that about. When he has his opponents backing up, which he is good at, it gives him an advantage and he doesn't take advantage of it or am I missing something. it's more difficult to punch going backwards so you would think he would take advantage of it. He does it so frequently I began to think it was part of his game plan but that doesn't make sense. Is it lack of confidence or does he feel it is domination enough to back them up. I would love to hear a knowledgeable explanation, I feel like I'm missing something
I think it is arrogance. Like he feels the guy poses no threat so he looks for that highlight punch rather than taking what's there. Donaire does the same thing. That's another great aspect of the jab that is slowly disappearing, creating openings while working rather than watching for openings. It's maddening.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I thought Broner looked dried out at the weigh in. I wonder if he quickly grew past making 140 comfortably.
Edit-not that he ever fought at 140 but when he moved from 135 you'd think he could have made 140 comfortably.
Talented, question is he now at his ceiling. Very low KO to muscle ratio like Bradley. We will still will not know even if he beats Molina because he is fighting the wrong Molina. Very little to gain vs this Molina and lots to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I don't think his KO rate directly applies to his power. He doesn't break guys down so that lowers his rate. He looks for highlight shots. The question from my perspective is will he improve mentally. He's best at seeing something and taking it but can he learn the game to know what's coming before he sees it? Can he learn to make things happen? Or maybe I'm seeing what he does wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingTalented, question is he now at his ceiling. Very low KO to muscle ratio like Bradley. We will still will not know even if he beats Molina because he is fighting the wrong Molina. Very little to gain vs this Molina and lots to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I think Broner will win a belt at 140 ;D
Nice post !! I need to see a better opponent than tonights in order to assess Broner .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI don't think his KO rate directly applies to his power. He doesn't break guys down so that lowers his rate. He looks for highlight shots. The question from my perspective is will he improve mentally. He's best at seeing something and taking it but can he learn the game to know what's coming before he sees it? Can he learn to make things happen? Or maybe I'm seeing what he does wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingTalented, question is he now at his ceiling. Very low KO to muscle ratio like Bradley. We will still will not know even if he beats Molina because he is fighting the wrong Molina. Very little to gain vs this Molina and lots to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Its not the first time many believe he has lost to a slower immoble fighter. Many aside from me feel he lost to Ponce deLeon and the light hitting Malanaggi. I feel he just might be flat out over rated.