Who do you think wins in the rematch this Saturday?
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Who do you think wins in the rematch this Saturday?
This is on ESPN? That is 2 heavyweight fights, what is that a sign of?
Boxing slowly returning to availability to the average Joe's....it'll be better for the sport in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think Arreola takes this one by UD, might score a knockdown or two
How would you rate this era of HWs?
Also, I want Stiverne to win. Arreola had his chance at fighting a Klitschko. Stiverne was robbed of his chance at Vitali.
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Originally Posted by VG_Addict
You've got 1 super dominant champion and then everyone else. Contenders, untested youth, and a lot of different styles and the fighters aren't consistent apart from Wlad.
Is Wlad the GOAT?
No, but he could break top 10 before his career is over. Joe Louis is the greatest of all timeQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
I think Arreola will win this rematch.
Stiverne will be 36 years old this year, Arreola is 33.
Inactivity is a problem with many current fighters.
Their fight was 1 year ago, and Stiverne hasn't fought since.
Arreola has only fought once since that 1-sided decision loss.
Stiverne:
1 fight scheduled for 2014 (Upcoming Arreola rematch)
1 fight in 2013
1 fight in 2012
2 fights in 2011
1 fight in 2010
^ Aside from the Arreola fights, these are not even important headliner fights.
What a waste of one's athletic prime!
Stiverne's style shouldn't be affected too terribly much by inactivity the guy is a pure counter puncher and if Arreola walks straight forward he could get caught again. I would hope Cris is smarter than that though.
As for where this division ranks and judging previous divisions, sure you can lump lots of big names together but in doing so you don't see the ups and downs of their respective careers, you don't see the inconsistencies, the troubles with certain styles you just look and see Ali, Frazier, Foreman...well that must be the best! Or Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, that must be great as well! You don't see Foreman blasting Frazier out and Frazier being a fringe contender when he fought Ali in the Thrilla in Manila, you don't see Holyfield's heart issues and loss to Moorer, you don't see Lewis' shocking loss to McCall, you don't see Foreman never recovering from the loss to Ali until the 1980's. You don't see Mercer losing to an ancient Holmes, Holmes losing to a young Tyson, Tyson losing to Douglas, Ken Norton giving Ali hell but getting blasted out by Foreman.
Divisions are strong or weak based a lot on timing and the form of fighters and there's really nothing a guy like Wlad can do except fight who is in the division and attempt to accomplish big things, which he's trying to do.
Why was he robbed?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Don't let Max Power hear you say that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNo, but he could break top 10 before his career is over. Joe Louis is the greatest of all timeQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Rumor has it Arreola is in terrific shape for this fight. I saw him at the Vanes ESPN2 fight a month and a half ago and he already looked in shape.
I heard him sobbing on ESPN about him wasting his money at Christmas time. What a prat and he should get his fat ass in condition, this is his professional sport FFS. I was not moved by the interview as you can tell and for that reason alone I want Stiverne to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
He knows its his last chance so he's putting everything into it. Personally I feel he's going to win despite lossing the first fight. Stiverne through everything at Arreola and couldn't get him out there even after Arreola broke his nose in 5 places. If Stiverne couldn't get him out after that he'll never manage it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Because he won a title eliminator, but Vitali was allowed to do nothing but sit around with the title, and got the deadline for his defense extended TWICE.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy was he robbed?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
There's also the fact that he has to fight Arreola twice, even though he dominated him in the first fight.
Reminds me a bit of Mayweather's lame "retirement". Dude was lucky to get a split-decision win over De La Hoya, but De la Hoya has a 1 year rematch clause, so Mayweather retires for 1 year 1 day, lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
I don't see either of them beating Wlad, though.
Maybe Stiverne could have a decent chance if he worked on head movement. He has a good punch.
Yeah keyword "A" ....To stop Wlad sure you have got to hurt him but you also have to follow up which is extremely difficult now a days. I don't think Stiverne can do that. Arreola has a good chin, decent work great and good power I think if he could cut the ring off well then maybe he could give Wlad trouble but that is if Cris fights his absolute best and Wlad gets lazy in training.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
If Arreola loses, it'll be a huge backwards step for him, and at 33 years old, time's running out.
C'mon, let's be real, Stiverne's not getting any farther in Boxing.
Usually the fighter who won the 1st time also wins the rematch, but I think Arreola will be in the minority with the guys that turn it around to win the rematch. If he could win by KO, that'd be impressive, that'd get folks talking about another Title Challenge.
Arreola will box this time and wear him down. Austin was beating Bermane before he got caught. I think both fighters still have futures in the division but neither as champions.
Stiverne as a possible opponent of Wilder piques my interest.
Arreola just has a fun style and a good attitude, he'll stick around.
LOL I don't give a crap until I start to hear preaching of the old testament. That's when I'll start preaching the "new testament" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24Don't let Max Power hear you say that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNo, but he could break top 10 before his career is over. Joe Louis is the greatest of all timeQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Well I've said it before but this time round I think Chris will get Stiverne by KO.
I think Chris would have won the first fight if he could have kept his big nose out of trouble. This time I think he will.
You heard it first from Max Power!! =P
I like Arreola--has enough heart for three fighters--and I hope he wins. The truth is I feel a lot like you do, he should stop whining about past mistakes and get to the business of being a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI heard him sobbing on ESPN about him wasting his money at Christmas time. What a prat and he should get his fat ass in condition, this is his professional sport FFS. I was not moved by the interview as you can tell and for that reason alone I want Stiverne to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Taking care of your responsibilities isn't that big of a deal. Billions and billions of us, around the world, work on it every day.
I think Stiverne repeats and more impressively. I hope the winner takes on the winner of Perez v Jennings.
Woah I didn't even hear about that fight, solid solid match up. I didn't realize Arreola-Stiverne was actually for the full WBC title either, about time. Just glanced at their rankings and all four of those guys are in the top 5 as of now, I swear just recently Perez and Jennings weren't even in their top 10:D. Might suggest your hope is very possible, if also indicating how hopelessly full of shit/corrupt the organization is.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Well if Chris wins i will consider him not a waste of space and a guy who rather eat fast food then train. I f he loses again then he wasn't really much and i will consider him Mexican buterbean from now on. Chirs has good hands but shit foot work this going to be a brawl i feel regardless.
Somehow Arreola is not fav for this fight. I originally had him priced around 1/2 but you can get 5/4 on him/ Anyone put me off a big bet on him?
Arreola must win
I think Stiverne beats him again. I'm rooting for Chris though.
I see the rematch ending in a knockout.
Good call. I thought Arreola would turn it around this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
Before the fight, Dan Rafael was asked which would be a better match-up for Wladimir, and Rafael says he doesn't think either guy is a match for Wladimir.