Floyd's speed and reflexes have irreversibly deteriorated

Floyd's lack of speed, elusiveness and legs were not an anomaly against Maidana. Speed isn't something you turn on and turn off just because you may underestimate an opponent.

Aside from a few adjustments, this is the Mayweather we will see in future fights. He's NOT going to suddenly gain his quickness back. When has that ever happened? Look, it happens to even the best of athletes whose abilities are dictated by speed.

I'm a fan of Floyd, but it's all downhill from here on, and deep down I believe Floyd believes it too.

Thank you for your over dramatic post.

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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Floyd's lack of speed, elusiveness and legs were not an anomaly against Maidana. Speed isn't something you turn on and turn off just because you may underestimate an opponent.

Aside from a few adjustments, this is the Mayweather we will see in future fights. He's NOT going to suddenly gain his quickness back. When has that ever happened? Look, it happens to even the best of athletes whose abilities are dictated by speed.

I'm a fan of Floyd, but it's all downhill from here on, and deep down I believe Floyd believes it too.

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those combos he threw were impressive...as was his defense.

Floyd must have been going downhill against Oscar too because he faught off the ropes a lot in that fight too.

The guy can't do anything right.

If he uses the ring he's a scared safety first pot-shotting coward.....
If he gets in the trenches he's deteriorated.

Go back and watch some of his fights when he first moved to WW...you will see the same thing you saw saturday night.

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Thank you for your over dramatic post.

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mostly wishful thinking.

He's 37. He's slipped some. So has Pacquaio.

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He's 37. He's slipped some. So has Pacquaio.

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Pac has fallen off the map....he'll never be the same after that Marquez induced coma.

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He's 37. He's slipped some. So has Pacquaio.

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Pac has fallen off the map....he'll never be the same after that Marquez induced coma.

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Pacquiao had an easier time with Bradley recently then Floyd did with Maidana. Bradley the #2 welterweight at time and Maidana who everyone thought had beat Broner due to him jumping up in weight. Pac looked better then he had in he's last 3 fight minus the power and Floyd just looked not himself.

He looked damn sharp against Canelo. Maybe he has hit the end but I'll need to see a 2nd bad outing because anyone can have an off night.

He's 37, and the fact that he is still fighting at the top level at this age is remarkable in itself. We've all seen it so many times before, Chavez was 31 when Whitaker boxed his ears off in 93', by the time DLH got hold of him in 96' he was 34 and pretty much done. Whitaker was 35 when he fought Trinidad and his major assets in the ring were long gone. Mosley, DLH and Tszyu all staggered on well into their mid 30's, DLH was 35 when he fought Pacman. Mosley was already 33 by the 2nd Wright fight, Tszyu was going on 36 when he fought Hatton. They had all lost their sting by this time.
Now we see Pacman losing his aura of invincibility over the past 4 years, he is no where near the fighter he was from 2008-2011.
Floyd is human and he will lose some speed and that ability to not get hit, Maidana to his credit fought his own fight and didn't allow Floyd any chance to implement plan b or c. He won because of his sheer brilliance and ring experience. Nobody has ever landed that many punches on Floyd in one fight before, so maybe father time has finally caught up with him?
When i was watching Mosley stumble around against Mundine last year i was thinking could this ever happen to Floyd? I said to myself "nah", but i have changed my opinion finally. He will lose within a year.

undiniable Foyd has lost an will continue to o lose his magic but I think those words will to used to often to discredit what Maidana did. Let's not forget all the pass there prime Champs Floyd had fought in the past and has fans rattled at anyone who brought it up. Floyd does not currently advertise himself as greatest who has lost a step, he's still Floyd. Floyd's style will certainly prolong his career more so than that of Manny. Floyd senior said that was the emphasis on both who he fought and how he trained. Brilliant business decisions. Using that as a guideline I would be surprised to see a rematch, I would actually give Floyd a lot of credit. We could say, ah, Floyd got him figured out this time so no big deal but. Chino and no joke and it may be bad for your health to think you have him figured out.

The money may be very appealing for Floyd to take a #2. When's the last time that was even brought up on the canvass right after a Floyd fight. So give Chino his do, it wasn't that long ago Floyd made Canelo and Garcia look like Children. I don't think the main issue with this fight is Floyd's speed, I think Floyd's problem is Chino

By the way, Anyone here from Argentina, I'm just wondering if he is getting the royal treatment upon his return, son of a hitch deserved

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He looked damn sharp against Canelo. Maybe he has hit the end but I'll need to see a 2nd bad outing because anyone can have an off night.

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Lol no shit eh. This stuff is hilarious. Cant even think of a response. The guy who has never had a bad outing since the first Castillo fight does not make an opponent look silly and he's written off. Drive through boxing.

Yes. Its as clear as day with this insight now. Floyd has aged. Woah Nelly. He realized this moons ago and invested accordingly with 6 payday run and thought out match making. All things considered he has adapted well to resetting close and maintaining that upper body management. You can pick a handful of earlier fights where he fought like a purse swinging chump and would not have thought he could show what he did Sat. night in endurance and adjustment. And in case I haven't said it..I cant stand the motherfunker but fair is fair.

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Yes. Its as clear as day with this insight now. Floyd has aged. Woah Nelly. He realized this moons ago and invested accordingly with 6 payday run and thought out match making. All things considered he has adapted well to resetting close and maintaining that upper body management. You can pick a handful of earlier fights where he fought like a purse swinging chump and would not have thought he could show what he did Sat. night in endurance and adjustment. And in case I haven't said it..I cant stand the motherfunker but fair is fair.

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Only Floyd can be trashed for aging. It's funny the pedestal those that don't like him put him on, it's even offensive to others that don't like him!

Damn you Floyd for doing what every human who has ever lived did, damn you all to hell!!

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He's 37. He's slipped some. So has Pacquaio.

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Pac has fallen off the map....he'll never be the same after that Marquez induced coma.

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Pacquiao had an easier time with Bradley recently then Floyd did with Maidana. Bradley the #2 welterweight at time and Maidana who everyone thought had beat Broner due to him jumping up in weight. Pac looked better then he had in he's last 3 fight minus the power and Floyd just looked not himself.

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Floyd had an easier time with JMM than Manny did....lol

Maidana would put Bradley in the hospital.

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He looked damn sharp against Canelo. Maybe he has hit the end but I'll need to see a 2nd bad outing because anyone can have an off night.

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Lol no shit eh. This stuff is hilarious. Cant even think of a response. The guy who has never had a bad outing since the first Castillo fight does not make an opponent look silly and he's written off. Drive through boxing.

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Exactly

This isn't anything new. He's 37 years old. Even before the Maidana fight you could see he slowed down considerably, even compared to 5 years ago when he fought JMM.

That's life. You're in your physical prime in your 20s and early 30s, and then it goes downhill from there.

Roy Jones was 35 and 15 years into his pro career when he got caught by Tarver and Johnson. When Pernell Whitaker was in his mid 30s he was dropping fights and struggling with guys who had no business being in the ring with him. Floyd's well passed the "fast slickster" expiration date.

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Lol no shit eh. This stuff is hilarious. Cant even think of a response. The guy who has never had a bad outing since the first Castillo fight does not make an opponent look silly and he's written off. Drive through boxing.

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Ain't that the sad truth.

I don't think it's his hands that got slower , only his legs . Mayweather has been more stationary in his last 3 fights or so. Guys like Guerrero and Alvarez didn't force Floyd to move for 90% of the round , while Maidana kept pushing Floyd to the ropes and he was not that successfull in moving away

The hands have gotten slower too. Watch the Gatti, Hatton, JMM, ect fights and compare them to now. He's slowed down. He's still fast as shit though.

The beauty of Floyd is that he has adjusted to compensate for deteriorating speed and reflexes. He can't move like he used to so he has mastered more subtle range controlling and pocket counter punching like he did to Canelo.

Floyd needs to fight at a slower, more relaxed pace now that he'd older.

Look so a aged Mayweather still beat a prime champ in a clear tough fight. I mean almost 90 percent of the boxing community thinks he won then most others are draws pretty much. I say thats not to bad look what happened to Jones when he slowed down got tooled real bad. As for how pac and Mayweather would go now Pac just got killed by 40 year old Jmm not to long ago and had close fights with Bradley a great fighter but with no power at all. I like see Pac fight a big puncher at welterweight and see how he holds up see were he is at. I think Mayweather and him my fight for there going away party for 2016 i mean better late then never. I can not believe this shit and i hate that i have to defend a fucker like Mayweather because people seem to forget a whole career after on fight and are surprised a fighter looks old at fucking 37.

Could have just been a rare off night for him, too. Who knows.

It made me really want to see him vs a young bomber like Porter or Thurman though.

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Floyd's lack of speed, elusiveness and legs were not an anomaly against Maidana. Speed isn't something you turn on and turn off just because you may underestimate an opponent.

Aside from a few adjustments, this is the Mayweather we will see in future fights. He's NOT going to suddenly gain his quickness back. When has that ever happened? Look, it happens to even the best of athletes whose abilities are dictated by speed.

I'm a fan of Floyd, but it's all downhill from here on, and deep down I believe Floyd believes it too.

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those combos he threw were impressive...as was his defense.

Floyd must have been going downhill against Oscar too because he faught off the ropes a lot in that fight too.

The guy can't do anything right.

If he uses the ring he's a scared safety first pot-shotting coward.....
If he gets in the trenches he's deteriorated.

Go back and watch some of his fights when he first moved to WW...you will see the same thing you saw saturday night.

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Voluntarily fighting off the ropes is a good tactic at times but being forced to the ropes while taking big shots to head, arms and body and losing 4 or 5 rounds that way is a stupid way to fight.
Are you saying Floyd is a stupid fighter?
Floyd was not fighting off the ropes, he was getting his ass kicked on the ropes.
The idea of Floyd purposely laying on the the ropes in some kind of "rope a dope" scenario just pisses me off. Floyd doesn't purposely lose rounds, that's not who he is and he'll never fight that way, Floyd fights to win every round.

The guy can't do anything right.

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to pull some "poor Floyd" shit. Floyd does everything right in the ring, and if there is a rematch, Floyd will win again.
Floyd, just like most of us, underestimated Maidana's stamina, toughness, determination and his trainer, Robert Garcia. Floyd won't make that mistake again.
That was a close, exciting fight and I want to see a rematch, real bad. I think Maidana deserves another big payday for that performance plus I want to see if Floyd has slowed as much as it looked like.

A close fight for Floyd is when he doesn't win 10 out of 12 rounds. By those standards, Floyd squeezed by.

he just had a bad fight, simple as that. That does happen too. I think it had more to do that he got bullied than his lack of speed. And he didn't display his full movement.

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Floyd's lack of speed, elusiveness and legs were not an anomaly against Maidana. Speed isn't something you turn on and turn off just because you may underestimate an opponent.

Aside from a few adjustments, this is the Mayweather we will see in future fights. He's NOT going to suddenly gain his quickness back. When has that ever happened? Look, it happens to even the best of athletes whose abilities are dictated by speed.

I'm a fan of Floyd, but it's all downhill from here on, and deep down I believe Floyd believes it too.

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He wasn't that slow and I didn't see a lack or reflexes.

He was elusive and dodged so many of those huge swinging overhands.

And tbh your type (idiots) have been saying this for a few years now. Let it go.

Floyd just chose to fight more aggressive fight and he will elect to box and run in the rematch. Floyd will win at a canter next time.

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Floyd's lack of speed, elusiveness and legs were not an anomaly against Maidana. Speed isn't something you turn on and turn off just because you may underestimate an opponent.

Aside from a few adjustments, this is the Mayweather we will see in future fights. He's NOT going to suddenly gain his quickness back. When has that ever happened? Look, it happens to even the best of athletes whose abilities are dictated by speed.

I'm a fan of Floyd, but it's all downhill from here on, and deep down I believe Floyd believes it too.

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He wasn't that slow and I didn't see a lack or reflexes.

He was elusive and dodged so many of those huge swinging overhands.

And tbh your type (idiots) have been saying this for a few years now. Let it go.

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Thank you! Someone with common sense.

Sleepwalker has been a bit over dramatic.

Um Mayweather throw half the punches and still landed more then Madina did. He dodge 630 of the 848 thrown i say the reflexes are just find you don't get points for hitting arms and missing. I have no problem with a rematch but 90 percent of people though he won the fight no robbery or anything. I mean out of the media and most sites it is overwhelming for Mayweather as a win and he only gets better. I think he can make the adjustments and make it more onesided and win with 100 percent thinking he won the fight and people asking why Mayweather even fought the guy again after word.

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Floyd just chose to fight more aggressive fight and he will elect to box and run in the rematch. Floyd will win at a canter next time.

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Agree. He'll get Maidana better in rematch and this thread will be rendered irrelevant.

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Floyd just chose to fight more aggressive fight and he will elect to box and run in the rematch. Floyd will win at a canter next time.

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Agree. He'll get Maidana better in rematch and this thread will be rendered irrelevant.

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I hate it when you agree with me. Please try not to do it often. :)

I have no seen the fight yet and tomorrow evening if I don't screw up the timer by mistake I will have the ammunition I need for this thread. I don't like Floyd but he is good> He works hard and puts his money where his mouth is. Chino works hard too but he doesn't have Floyd's background. He came to fight like the Rock. From the highlights I saw he did a good job but that was only highlights. Floyd was in a different fight and may have been confused but Floyd although I don't really care for him, did what he had to do and made adjustments. Maidana on The other hand tried something most of Floyd's opponents don't do, work behind a jab to get inside and worked the body causing Floyd to fight the way he did. He won and it might have been closer than those two other clowns called judges had it. Floyd's night was probably slightly off but as one sports announcer said,"Floyd is the most well preserved 37year old fighter around. In other words if he did lose a step it's because he wasn't dancing to his usual music this particular evening. One more thing, Chino is very awkward, just ask Broner.