I really hope Deontay Wilder beats Bermane Stiverne, so we can see unification with Wladimir Klitschko.
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I really hope Deontay Wilder beats Bermane Stiverne, so we can see unification with Wladimir Klitschko.
Wilder needs to get by Zelenoff first...
The fact we still have more questions than answers 31 fights in has me picking Stiverne.
As far as I'm concerned Wilder is a 6 round green prospect who has never been chin checked or tested in the least.
I think Stiverne's style would suit Wilder. Fighting in patches and leaning on the ropes wouldn't be good against Wilder. His counter punching could get through to Wilder if he timed them well though.
I hear that, it was last year that we were talking about Wilder possibly going for a title without ever being tested or having gone beyond 4 or 5 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Amazing! and sad.
Nothing would surprise me in this one because we don't have a real handle on Wilder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24
Wilder could win in 1 or 2, Stiverne could win in 5 or 6 or vice versa. They both have good power with Wilder having more, I think.
It might come down to who gets there first with the power.
I think a lot gets lost looking at a ko ratio when the same light-recognition isn't put on who a guy is actually knocking out. Blowing out decent-respectable comp is entirely different from blowing out guys handed a script before the bell and fully expected to fall over.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI hear that, it was last year that we were talking about Wilder possibly going for a title without ever being tested or having gone beyond 4 or 5 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Amazing! and sad.
I'm stubborn...I need to see a 'prospect' take a punch before we start talking sales. Literally the hardest I've seen him hit is vs some blown up spr middleweight a few years ago, on the lower chin-neck and he rode into the ropes for a sec and the legs went wide. His stamina, chin, being countered are a 100 percent unknown.
My bad, a year and a half ago...this is NOT what proves you a legit contender http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF9OuVDyyq8
Stiverne was too easy to hit, Arreola is slow and hit him all fight.
If Wilder gets him against the ropes like that it's curtains.
I was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
I think we are underestimating Stiverne's power... we are also underestimating his ability to fight taller men- he showed that he can in the amateur's and pro's.
He's gonna chin-check Wilder, for real. And then it's on.
I think our desperation for another great American HW is causing people to overhype this dude and overlook some glaring concerns.
Don King now says Stiverne may not fight either Wilder or Wlad next.
They may have a voluntary defense against someone else.
Stiverne fights like Kirkland Lang.
He kinda reminds me of Chris Byrd with more pop in his punch obviously
Hope I'm wrong, but something about Wilder reminds me of Michael Grant. I think once he steps up in class he gets blown out. Hope I'm wrong though.
Heavens, no. Not the great Chris Byrd. Byrd was the best TECHNICALLY GIFTED Heavyweight since Ali. Wlad pales in comparison to Byrd's skill and craftsmanship. And that's says a great deal. Byrd just didn't have the power at that weight- I don't think Byrd had the power at MW, but I digress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He was against the ropes when he caught and stunned a normally thick chinned Arreola about 3 times between the onslaught. Being hit is a two way street and Arreola for all his faults at least had a proven chin and durability. Wilder hasn't come close to proven he can maintain an offense, or his balance, when dealing with sharp counters like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Wilder by KO...Berman is just too easy to find
against haye is my bet :S Maybe vitali will cash in his emeritus status to stop that happening thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
I've seen Wilder KOed on spaghetti legs, and last night Stiverne took Arreola's best shots right on the button and came back.
35 year old Stiverne has proven himself by beating Arreola twice and beating Ray Austin.
28 year old Wilder has fantastic attributes, but he hasn't even come close to proving that he's even World-Class at all yet. Over 5 years as a pro, he should have fought some live ones by now, not debacles like that malik scott farce.
Right now, I'd go with the proven, battle-tested guy by KO.
I hope Wilder is for real, I hope he turns out to be elite, Heavyweight Boxing needs attraction like him.
Thanks for the sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHeavens, no. Not the great Chris Byrd. Byrd was the best TECHNICALLY GIFTED Heavyweight since Ali. Wlad pales in comparison to Byrd's skill and craftsmanship. And that's says a great deal. Byrd just didn't have the power at that weight- I don't think Byrd had the power at MW, but I digress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Chris Byrd WAS a good heavyweight whether you want to admit it or not
Muhammad Ali was not technically gifted at all, just so ya know, son...
Ali is one of the Ring-Greats of history and Byrd isn't, but talking purely on the technical side, Chris Byrd was far better, and Byrd was a good Heavyweight.
Stop it, you're being way too level headed and logical ;D Its funny...whenever Wilder comes up I find myself going back over the shelf and rewatching his stuff, hoping to find these gems of promise and proof to support him being labeled a certainty to win, let alone look impressive, in his first significant breakout fight..hopefully to come soon btw. Tonight it was the fnf card Angulo vs Rosado and his trainer Mark Breland in studio. Saying he is 2 years away from fans seeing him at best and knowing he's for real etc. "Taking baby steps right now". That was 5 years ago..Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
on a completely random note rewatching Ishe Smith vs Jacobs I forgot Smith hurt him that bad in 5th. Yep its Sunday and bored solid ;D
Exactly and that's where Wilder is most at risk. Stiverne is going to land in between those loopers that start from the farm down the road and what many people don't seem to realize is that Stiverenes mongoose act is actually part of his schtick. He's got real confidence in his chin and is willing to take a good shot to land a good shot. He's much faster then most hevs and has a real good short shot inside game. I don't see Wilder as being all that difficult to shake up mentally in all the pre fight stuff. He could very well be as mentally weak as I think his chin is. He has not had to deal with any adversity during his spoon feeding. Ahhh but come see come saw. Haymon most likely wont allow him to go there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
He was against the ropes when he caught and stunned a normally thick chinned Arreola about 3 times between the onslaught. Being hit is a two way street and Arreola for all his faults at least had a proven chin and durability. Wilder hasn't come close to proven he can maintain an offense, or his balance, when dealing with sharp counters like that.
Stiverne doesnt have the mobility to avoid Wilder's right hand.. he's too stationary..
Wilder knocks him out mid rounds. Id be surprised if it even gets that far.
i hope wilder beats stiverne and keeps it in americaQuote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Stiv aint losin' no time soon. He 's goin' for 2 years and retiring at 38, still Champ.
Wilder is indeed a Michael Grant. Stiv will smoke Wilder with the first short inside left hook of the fight.
The WBC has decided Stiverne must fight Wilder next.
If he gets past Wilder, which I doubt, he can take a voluntary defense or unify with Wladimir.
I lean toward this outcome too. Stiverne has a good chin but doesn't move well, often, or fast enough to stay away from Wilder.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
On the other hand, Stiverne knows exactly what Wilder is going to be doing, coming forward and Stiverne does have some skill fighting off the ropes. He also makes good use of his jab.
Wilder likes to get right to work, which could be a problem for Stiverne, who's inclination is to ease into the fight.
Interesting matchup but I think Wilder gets there first and I do believe he has real serious power.
Wilder is a beast. IF you trade with him then you are probably going out.
Stiverne is accomplished at a higher level though and a good fighter. He could KO Wilder.
I'd figure the 6'7" monster would get there first tho.
Stiverne will not mix it with Wilder, he will try and take it to the later rounds or even sneak a right hand and test Wilder's chin. I do not think Wilder can take the punches that Areleo took.
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Originally Posted by Master
The Wolverhampton Wizard speaks again! I couldnt agree more. Stiverne has that 'smoke" in his shots. Wilder never even got hit. Its like Michael Grant. I have a thread from 2 mos. ago where I compare Wilder to Michael Grant. Wilder and Grant and Jermaine Taylor, they all have the same chin, and thats pretty chinny. Chinny chin-chin, Wilder gets sparked by the first clean hard shot he takes.
Repeat (for the history books, like my perfect call last year that Stiverne would be the next HW Champ) I repeat:
MICHAEL GRANT, UHHH... I MEAN BEYONCE WILDER GETS SPARKED BY THE 1ST CLEAN HARD SHOT HE TAKES.