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Doesn't seem to be any progress being made and there's only 5-6 days left to get this signed or it goes to purse bids.
I don't see any way Porter wins this with his reckless style and i think Brook will pick him apart and can bang him out pretty early.
Maybe Porter is stalling things
World Boxing News - IBF: Porter v Brook negotiations must be concluded in one week
I think its going to purse bids. Neither party can sort out where they want the fight to be and Porter's team would be happy to fight someone else and earn as much money as they can whilst he holds a belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I'm just thankful for the very few threads that aren't about Stiverne. Thank you OP
The thread title should have read, "Time is running out on Kell Brook" He's special K alright. A special Kase. Total waste of above average talent and investment. Its like he's waiting out an entire division. Crunch time Mr Brook because you will probably get home field advantage in a purse bid. No excuses. If you cant beat Porter then its time to change careers.He's an embarrassment to both British boxing and boxing generally.
Brook is scared to fight anybody with a pulse. He was the mandatory challenger for a belt nearly four years ago and he's basically spent the last four years bottling out of any kind of meaningful fight.
We can all agree it's time for Brook to crap or get off the pot. In my opinion, it's a bad style match-up for Brook.
Brooks accurate and strong at the weight naturally and I think its Porter whos at a loss style wise.
Brooks been unlucky with injury and circumstances in the past but I think he's the real deal and have said for ages he'll win a title but he needs to do it now against Porter.
Really hope this fight goes ahead as Brook could be involved in some cracking matchups in the future.
Brook is more talented and skillful obviously but I think his team knows something that we dont cuz it's not normal for a talented fighter to get overprotected for 10 years..
Im a big fan of Brook's style though.
I just watched porter's last fight. The man is powerful at that weight, but very crude and does not know what to do with his legs. Porter is effective is he's fighting people that act like static punchbags, not the hit fast and move type. Brook has speed, good footwork and power.
Porter has to get lucky to catch him in order to win.
I agree with some of your points but Porter does not need " luck " to catch Brook.. That's ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneyaries
Watch the Carson jones fight..
Wow. Can't see how anyone can say Porter is stalling. If I was Brooks manager I'd want nothing to do with Porter. The way he blew Devon and Paulie away I think he won't have much trouble doin the same to brook.
In other good news, Saunders upcoming fight is a final eliminator for Quillins title. I think that's potentially a very good fight. If Saunders can handle Quillins power (unlike Ndam) he has a great chance.
Joe blow Saunders aint no match for QUilling, dude.. c'mon lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Seriously dont underrate him. I think hes the best middleweight to come out of England in a long time and reckon hed give anyone in the div a good fight. He could get blown away by the first puncher he meets but usually these travellers are tough as nails with no quit in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaJoe blow Saunders aint no match for QUilling, dude.. c'mon lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Brooks is a quality fighter and I know he missed his opportunity for taking on Alexander but please do not let that get in the way of seeing that he is a very good technical fighter who can punch. I feel he will beat Porter with his straight efficient shots.
He is excellent I just think Porters style wont suit him He is naturally more skillful but I dont think he has the power at world level to keep a guy like porter off him and question his stamina in the latter stages of fights. I think Porter will stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It would be much better than Quillin's last opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaJoe blow Saunders aint no match for QUilling, dude.. c'mon lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Respect your view but I think the exact opposite. Porter is wild and raw in comparison and will be picked apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe is excellent I just think Porters style wont suit him He is naturally more skillful but I dont think he has the power at world level to keep a guy like porter off him and question his stamina in the latter stages of fights. I think Porter will stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
@Silkeyjoe - i have to agree. He had trouble with Carson Jones and I know Jones and Porter have different styles, but Jones stalks and swarms a bit too and Porter is bigger and stronger than Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe is excellent I just think Porters style wont suit him He is naturally more skillful but I dont think he has the power at world level to keep a guy like porter off him and question his stamina in the latter stages of fights. I think Porter will stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And that seems to make him rather leery of the deep end of the pool. I think he likes the big fish in a small pond environment and if he can get his hands on a trinket via the easiest possible route short of exhuming a body he will bluff his way through to the end of his career and be satisfied with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@Silkeyjoe - i have to agree. He had trouble with Carson Jones and I know Jones and Porter have different styles, but Jones stalks and swarms a bit too and Porter is bigger and stronger than Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe is excellent I just think Porters style wont suit him He is naturally more skillful but I dont think he has the power at world level to keep a guy like porter off him and question his stamina in the latter stages of fights. I think Porter will stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And that is what is so puzzling to me and why I think Brook is weak in the noggin before ever having his chin checked. He has the tools to make this match up look easy but suffers from the same illness Alexander does. The mental part of this game is drastically understated. Tool are not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect your view but I think the exact opposite. Porter is wild and raw in comparison and will be picked apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe is excellent I just think Porters style wont suit him He is naturally more skillful but I dont think he has the power at world level to keep a guy like porter off him and question his stamina in the latter stages of fights. I think Porter will stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It would be a terrific fight, total pick em to me. Whether it actually happens though, probably does come down to Brook. This guy has been a prospect since I've been watching boxing, he makes Wilder look like a guy on the fast track.
Porter stops Brook. I'm not even sure Brook will take the fight ;)
Yeah never been impressed with brook at all, and dam just checked boxrec and he's been a pro for 10 years and the best name on his resume is lovemore ndou ? Carson jones made him thank god we don't live in a world of fifteen rounders anymore. jones is a solid pro but if you're struggling against him that doesnt bode well, I know he rematched and all...hell i wasnt that big on porter but his two past results are infinitely better than anything brook has done, porter mid to late ko if it comes off.
I'm a fan of brook as he has everything, power, skill, defences, speed.
Wish he'd step up, if he had of stepped up a few years back he would be in the mix for a Floyd fight.
Not that that should be a boxers aim but he would be highly ranked like that.
To be honest, I don't follow Brook at all. I'd rather see Porter fight Maidana.
Devon Alexander is nothing like a static punchbag. He hasn't had a spoonfed career like Brook and has won a belt the hard way. He only ever lost to Bradley before he fought Porter and Porter beat him more impressively than Bradley did. If they ever do get in the ring Porter beats Brook like a gong and stops him or sparks him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneyaries
He fought like that against Paulie because he knew Paulie hasn't got power. He fought much more conservatively against Alexander and he would do against Brook. And Brook didn't have injury problems with the Alexander fight, he just bottled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect your view but I think the exact opposite. Porter is wild and raw in comparison and will be picked apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe is excellent I just think Porters style wont suit him He is naturally more skillful but I dont think he has the power at world level to keep a guy like porter off him and question his stamina in the latter stages of fights. I think Porter will stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
If Kell Brook doesn't take this fight where does he go? The only other option for him is to wait and wait for a payday with Amir Khan and that ain't happening anytime soon.
Yea odd post. Paulie is hardly the most static fighter either?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingDevon Alexander is nothing like a static punchbag. He hasn't had a spoonfed career like Brook and has won a belt the hard way. He only ever lost to Bradley before he fought Porter and Porter beat him more impressively than Bradley did. If they ever do get in the ring Porter beats Brook like a gong and stops him or sparks him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneyaries
Some of you seem to have missed the bit where Kell Brook rematched Jones and wiped the floor with him in 8 rounds. This would suggest that a) Brook didn't shit his pants about stepping back into the deep end and b) he proved he was in a totally different class.
Shawn Porter draws with the "lightweight" Julio Diaz, then outpoints him in the rematch and then stops Paulie which makes him the next best thing since sliced bread.
Amir Khan outpoints Julio Diaz and stops Paulie which makes him toilet.
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2 points. 1 you are missing the match where Porter wiped the floor with Alexander. 2 I hardly call a rematch with Carson jones, who was very lucky to get a draw with Dean Byrne, stepping in the deep end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Carson Jones is "the deep end"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Where the fuck have you been anyway?
Thirdly Amir Khan did not stop Paulie. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe2 points. 1 you are missing the match where Porter wiped the floor with Alexander. 2 I hardly call a rematch with Carson jones, who was very lucky to get a draw with Dean Byrne, stepping in the deep end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
"Deep end" was a quote from a comment made in this thread. If Brook was the shitty pants some of you think he wouldn't have rematched someone that gave him such a tough night.
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Originally Posted by MasterThirdly Amir Khan did not stop Paulie. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe2 points. 1 you are missing the match where Porter wiped the floor with Alexander. 2 I hardly call a rematch with Carson jones, who was very lucky to get a draw with Dean Byrne, stepping in the deep end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Before the Alexander fight was made the Jones camp had pushed for a rematch because it was such a close fight. Brook said he'd give Jones a rematch but he had a world title shot against Alexander instead. Then he spent the next six months repeatedly bottling out of fighting Alexander and that fight was called off as he was never going to get in the ring for it. At that point Hearn can hardly take a step backwards even from Jones and put him in with some cab driver. He had to make the rematch and Brook had to take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Alexander pulled out of one of the dates injured too. I guess Brook was lucky Alexander revealed he shit his pants before Brook could that time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingBefore the Alexander fight was made the Jones camp had pushed for a rematch because it was such a close fight. Brook said he'd give Jones a rematch but he had a world title shot against Alexander instead. Then he spent the next six months repeatedly bottling out of fighting Alexander and that fight was called off as he was never going to get in the ring for it. At that point Hearn can hardly take a step backwards even from Jones and put him in with some cab driver. He had to make the rematch and Brook had to take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The Carson Jones rematch was a 10 round non-title undercard fight. So Eddie had to make that fight and Kell had to be forced into it?
Behave Kirkland.
Your new hero Porter and Richard Schaefer have already stated they're not going to England even if the fight goes to purse bids. So unless Porter dumps the belt for a bigger money opportunity, which is highly unlikely, Brook already knows he's going to the states. Now if that fight gets signed and Brook pulls out maybe he is a shitty pants :)
Porter is too much for Brook. I can't look past what Jones did to him and Jones is very average. Porter has the power to match his aggression and Brook is too vulnerable.