He is facing Geale and it's almost done.. any of you non- Euros and Australians looking forward to this crap fest?
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He is facing Geale and it's almost done.. any of you non- Euros and Australians looking forward to this crap fest?
I am since Chavez Jr fight can't be made.
Geale is a gutsy and tricky fighter.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
JHC now Geale is crap!!? He's a top 5 middleweight, a warrior and a hell of a fighter. Crap fest lol. Remember that when you are lumping praises on that one dimensional Donaire.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Firstly Khazikstan is in Asia not Europe and so there are probably many Non-Europeans interested in watching GGG fight.
Secondly long gone are the days (if they ever existed ) where the USA dominated boxing across the World.
Thirdly most genuine boxing fans will have much more than a passing interest in watching Golovkin fight whether they rate him or not.
Fourthly your continued refusal to face facts and give Golovkin even the most begrudging of respect is starting to hugely undermine your own judgement
Fifthly Daniel Geale as well as being the former WBA/IBF world title holder at middleweight has a decent ranking across all boxing tables, 3rd in RING ratings, 5 in Boxing Monthly and 3rd in Sugars so the idea that he is a nobody in a crap fest is just sour grapes and has nothing to do with reality
The only unpleasant news is the fact that you still have the nerve to rate Quillin and people like Fury above Golovkin when it comes to quality and level of competition faced, despite all evidence pointing in the other direction.
Geale isn't elite but he is significantly better than the proposed mandatory. A Geale fight is way better.
The Middleweight division isn't very good right now. Especially with Quillen fighting on the rival network. But outside of Martinez a Geale fight is about as good as you can do.
I want to see GGG against elite fighters as much as anyone. But if elite fighters aren't available (cough cough Wards available cough cough) Geale is a nice option.
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I don't even know what "elite" means anymore. Its so broad and yet so vague its meaningless. People worship media made fighters with little substance and call everyone else a scrub.
You know I probably shouldn't use the word because I don't really know either. I tend to think of it like porn, I don't know how to define it but I know it when I see it. But that is completely subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I don't even know what "elite" means anymore. Its so broad and yet so vague its meaningless. People worship media made fighters with little substance and call everyone else a scrub.
I don't see how this is unpleasant news. Geale is a much better fight than Fletcher.
Golovkin is facing a former Champion, what's the problem he will give it a go it's not as if GGG
is facing a novice. What's a meaningful for GGG you can only beat who is in front of you lets
face it Geale is NO BUM. ;)
Come on this is a good match-up and don't listen to the members of the drive-by media as one of our radio talks show hosts puts it. We know what real is and they don't because creating their version of what a champion is is like forgetting to flush, it stinks and there's less to explain.
He should fight Fletcher and Geale the same night. A 12 rounder to open and close the card :D
Geale is the best opponent outside taking on one of the belt holders. If he isn't moving up in weight and can't face Quillin because of rival networks, he should unify with Sturm next.
Sturm would rather eat glass than face GGG, it would be a fight Sturm would not take lets face itQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
he made a lot of money been gifted decisions, fighting on home turf.
Golovkin would rip his title off him and give him a server beating.
Nobody cares about Geale...Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
JHC now Geale is crap!!? He's a top 5 middleweight, a warrior and a hell of a fighter. Crap fest lol. Remember that when you are lumping praises on that one dimensional Donaire.
Top 5 MW don't mean shit nowadays.
Geal is a solid fighter...nothing more....nothing less.
GGG is not a young fighter..especially when you consider the over 300 amateur fights he's had.
He doesn't have time to waste on guys like this.
Things would be different if we were talking about some 22 y/o prospect.
By the time GGG steps up the game will have passed him by.
This will be a great fight , I'm looking forward. This is GGG's toughest test to date.
of course at one time US boxers dominated boxing. Not to say there hasn't always been great fighters outside the US but look at how the Heavyweight decision was dominated for years. Of course back then it was nowhere near as exciting now that Wlad and the boys ars at the top. I mean everyone knows them and they are pure excitement.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzSource ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Firstly Khazikstan is in Asia not Europe and so there are probably many Non-Europeans interested in watching GGG fight.
Secondly long gone are the days (if they ever existed ) where the USA dominated boxing across the World.
Thirdly most genuine boxing fans will have much more than a passing interest in watching Golovkin fight whether they rate him or not.
Fourthly your continued refusal to face facts and give Golovkin even the most begrudging of respect is starting to hugely undermine your own judgement
Fifthly Daniel Geale as well as being the former WBA/IBF world title holder at middleweight has a decent ranking across all boxing tables, 3rd in RING ratings, 5 in Boxing Monthly and 3rd in Sugars so the idea that he is a nobody in a crap fest is just sour grapes and has nothing to do with reality
The only unpleasant news is the fact that you still have the nerve to rate Quillin and people like Fury above Golovkin when it comes to quality and level of competition faced, despite all evidence pointing in the other direction.
I don't know if you were implying that we here in the US give a shit that many divisions are not US dominated but that is far from the truth. We love GGG, Prod, Manny,Marquez and Cotto are big draws. Most of the big names love to fight in the US and we love to see them here. My favorite is of course Many and I would drive half way accross the country to see Prod. We want to see good fights and we don't give a shit where they are from. I actually can't remember my last favorite purely American boxer. Sure we have Floyd and Hopkins, sure hall of famers and a number of other of great fighters. I think a lot of us would love to see more Americans leading divisions. It would be great to see a top American Heavyweight but if our best prospect. Wilder, I just don't see him their yet. Most of our favorite sporting events have top players from other countries. I don't care, if I see a good baseball game with a Japanese batter, Venezuelan picture, Puerto Rican first baseman etc I'm happy to just see a good ballgame. We are happy our country draws the best players and it has been like that for years. Perhaps I went overboard, you may not have been implying we are upset about the lack of top Americans but if you were that is just dead wrong. I would trade two Floyd's for someone as exciting as Wlad
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Originally Posted by walrusof course at one time US boxers dominated boxing. Not to say there hasn't always been great fighters outside the US but look at how the Heavyweight decision was dominated for years. Of course back then it was nowhere near as exciting now that Wlad and the boys ars at the top. I mean everyone knows them and they are pure excitement.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzSource ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Firstly Khazikstan is in Asia not Europe and so there are probably many Non-Europeans interested in watching GGG fight.
Secondly long gone are the days (if they ever existed ) where the USA dominated boxing across the World.
Thirdly most genuine boxing fans will have much more than a passing interest in watching Golovkin fight whether they rate him or not.
Fourthly your continued refusal to face facts and give Golovkin even the most begrudging of respect is starting to hugely undermine your own judgement
Fifthly Daniel Geale as well as being the former WBA/IBF world title holder at middleweight has a decent ranking across all boxing tables, 3rd in RING ratings, 5 in Boxing Monthly and 3rd in Sugars so the idea that he is a nobody in a crap fest is just sour grapes and has nothing to do with reality
The only unpleasant news is the fact that you still have the nerve to rate Quillin and people like Fury above Golovkin when it comes to quality and level of competition faced, despite all evidence pointing in the other direction.
I don't know if you were implying that we here in the US give a shit that many divisions are not US dominated but that is far from the truth. We love GGG, Prod, Manny,Marquez and Cotto are big draws. Most of the big names love to fight in the US and we love to see them here. My favorite is of course Many and I would drive half way accross the country to see Prod. We want to see good fights and we don't give a shit where they are from. I actually can't remember my last favorite purely American boxer. Sure we have Floyd and Hopkins, sure hall of famers and a number of other of great fighters. I think a lot of us would love to see more Americans leading divisions. It would be great to see a top American Heavyweight but if our best prospect. Wilder, I just don't see him their yet. Most of our favorite sporting events have top players from other countries. I don't care, if I see a good baseball game with a Japanese batter, Venezuelan picture, Puerto Rican first baseman etc I'm happy to just see a good ballgame. We are happy our country draws the best players and it has been like that for years. Perhaps I went overboard, you may not have been implying we are upset about the lack of top Americans but if you were that is just dead wrong. I would trade two Floyd's for someone as exciting as Wlad
Wlad is exciting? Gotta admit I don't hear that one very often.
Yeah, it was a joke, he is like watching paint dryQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusof course at one time US boxers dominated boxing. Not to say there hasn't always been great fighters outside the US but look at how the Heavyweight decision was dominated for years. Of course back then it was nowhere near as exciting now that Wlad and the boys ars at the top. I mean everyone knows them and they are pure excitement.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzSource ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Firstly Khazikstan is in Asia not Europe and so there are probably many Non-Europeans interested in watching GGG fight.
Secondly long gone are the days (if they ever existed ) where the USA dominated boxing across the World.
Thirdly most genuine boxing fans will have much more than a passing interest in watching Golovkin fight whether they rate him or not.
Fourthly your continued refusal to face facts and give Golovkin even the most begrudging of respect is starting to hugely undermine your own judgement
Fifthly Daniel Geale as well as being the former WBA/IBF world title holder at middleweight has a decent ranking across all boxing tables, 3rd in RING ratings, 5 in Boxing Monthly and 3rd in Sugars so the idea that he is a nobody in a crap fest is just sour grapes and has nothing to do with reality
The only unpleasant news is the fact that you still have the nerve to rate Quillin and people like Fury above Golovkin when it comes to quality and level of competition faced, despite all evidence pointing in the other direction.
I don't know if you were implying that we here in the US give a shit that many divisions are not US dominated but that is far from the truth. We love GGG, Prod, Manny,Marquez and Cotto are big draws. Most of the big names love to fight in the US and we love to see them here. My favorite is of course Many and I would drive half way accross the country to see Prod. We want to see good fights and we don't give a shit where they are from. I actually can't remember my last favorite purely American boxer. Sure we have Floyd and Hopkins, sure hall of famers and a number of other of great fighters. I think a lot of us would love to see more Americans leading divisions. It would be great to see a top American Heavyweight but if our best prospect. Wilder, I just don't see him their yet. Most of our favorite sporting events have top players from other countries. I don't care, if I see a good baseball game with a Japanese batter, Venezuelan picture, Puerto Rican first baseman etc I'm happy to just see a good ballgame. We are happy our country draws the best players and it has been like that for years. Perhaps I went overboard, you may not have been implying we are upset about the lack of top Americans but if you were that is just dead wrong. I would trade two Floyd's for someone as exciting as Wlad
Wlad is exciting? Gotta admit I don't hear that one very often.
The US is still the most dominant nation in boxing...and that won't change anytime soon...or ever.
We dominate the hottest divisions and have the youth to replace the old guys...the Championship pedegree can't be compared or rivaled.
US fighters are the most imitated idolized and studied.
MOST of the foreign fighters around today are in their 30's....and there sure as hell isn't any youth movement behind them.
What we don't have are LOYAL FANS.
Brits support there own be they White as Hatton or Black as Bruno..
Americans would rather cheer for a Russian or an Argentine than an American...But you best believe Russians and Argentines NEVER pull for American fighters.
They aren't stupid like that.
If Floyd walked away from the biggest fight in HISTORY because of drug testing, the US media would replace Barry bonds and Mark McGuirre with Mayweather as the poster boy for steroids.
HBO picked up on the thirst for foreign fighters coming from WITHIN the US and have gone almost exclusively foreign.
I love watching them fail.;D
I dont think this makes much sense at allQuote:
Originally Posted by cyclone
Geale is a top 10 contender. This should be a good fight :D
Its a respectable match and could be and has been far worse. I don't care if Geale is from fooking Pluto and painted neon orange, he has ability and Golovkin needs guys he cannot 'choose' to carry and spar like his last fight. Geale will not play his foil and except a role..he'll try to win! Hope it turns into some give and take before its all over.
So yes there are plenty people interested in this fight.
I watched the Adamu fight again yesterday and that was exactly what I thought too. It didn't even look like a fight, it looked like sparring. At one point GGG didn't like what he was doing and he sat right in front of Adamu and shadowboxed hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It doesn't make sense to deny it..;DQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI dont think this makes much sense at allQuote:
Originally Posted by cyclone
It's about time for GGG to "challenge himself" and Gaele is hardly a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Strange how certain fighters are constantly required to take risks while GGG can languish for YEARS in a dead division where he is heavilly favored against all his half-dead peers.
I dont know. A far as I can see Europe and Asia have better boxing prospects coming through which is shown by the dominance of these fighters at amateur levels. Id be pretty sure there is a decline in US champions compared to 10 years ago but couldnt be sure (Im not counting Mexico as US). Outside of Floyd and Ward, I dont think there is much potential for complete dominance from a US fighter the way GGG could dominate the MW div, or Yamanaka could dominate the BW div. I dont think Danny Garcia is the future of the Welterweight div. The only 2 US guys with realistic chances of dominating are Thurman and Mikey Garcia (arguably mexican)Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneIt doesn't make sense to deny it..;DQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI dont think this makes much sense at allQuote:
Originally Posted by cyclone
What would you propose saving expecting him to jump up to 168. Is that your 'challeng himself'. The division is hardly dead and Geale is a step up compared to Ishida or even a Rosado. The politricks is what's stifling a few top dogs from sorting it out in the short term and Papa Arum and Chavez fight fell out. Martinez will in all likely hood cut Cotto to ribbons while Quillin and Jacobs is probally in the works being same promotion. Murray? I've bashed Golovkin as almost becoming a "celebriboxer" with his last showcase US networks didn't even see fit to air but fair is fair, and this is more of a challenge than the other guy who was being mentioned and for future fight sake more likely to receive top billing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneIt's about time for GGG to "challenge himself" and Gaele is hardly a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Strange how certain fighters are constantly required to take risks while GGG can languish for YEARS in a dead division where he is heavilly favored against all his half-dead peers.
Who's nobody you? Of course he's a solid fighter so there was no need to overstate the obvious. He's a top 5 middle in the world and will be the Kazaks toughest test to date. Get Kid Ovaltine to sign the dotted line.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneNobody cares about Geale...Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
JHC now Geale is crap!!? He's a top 5 middleweight, a warrior and a hell of a fighter. Crap fest lol. Remember that when you are lumping praises on that one dimensional Donaire.
Top 5 MW don't mean shit nowadays.
Geal is a solid fighter...nothing more....nothing less.
GGG is not a young fighter..especially when you consider the over 300 amateur fights he's had.
He doesn't have time to waste on guys like this.
Things would be different if we were talking about some 22 y/o prospect.
By the time GGG steps up the game will have passed him by.
Why would things be different if it were a 22 yr old prospect. The kid would most likely be raped on international tv.
By the time anyone steps up to fight him his game will be long gone. Props to Geale if this goes ahead. Dudes never ducked anyone.
You make some pretty broad claims below.
If only Golovkin was American eh, he'd be a cross over star.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone
There is no decline in US champions...and there sure as hell aren't any young fighters from Europe(LOL) and Asia poised to take over anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont know. A far as I can see Europe and Asia have better boxing prospects coming through which is shown by the dominance of these fighters at amateur levels. Id be pretty sure there is a decline in US champions compared to 10 years ago but couldnt be sure (Im not counting Mexico as US). Outside of Floyd and Ward, I dont think there is much potential for complete dominance from a US fighter the way GGG could dominate the MW div, or Yamanaka could dominate the BW div. I dont think Danny Garcia is the future of the Welterweight div. The only 2 US guys with realistic chances of dominating are Thurman and Mikey Garcia (arguably mexican)Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneIt doesn't make sense to deny it..;DQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI dont think this makes much sense at allQuote:
Originally Posted by cyclone
Mexico is declining....Puerto Rico as well..but not the US....all you have to do is look around.
GGG old ass isn't dominating anything but his dead division.
Garcia isn't a dominant fighter.
Who do they have to replace GG..Kovalev...and those old Klits??
NOBODY.
Where are the 22 y/o Russian/Khazak prospects??
Even their prospects are OLD.
Lomenchenko is the only young guy they have and he's about to get killed by GRjr
They can raise hell in the amateurs all they want...but the PROS is where it is and where they are not.
L Fly - Naoya InoueQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneThere is no decline in US champions...and there sure as hell aren't any young fighters from Europe(LOL) and Asia poised to take over anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont know. A far as I can see Europe and Asia have better boxing prospects coming through which is shown by the dominance of these fighters at amateur levels. Id be pretty sure there is a decline in US champions compared to 10 years ago but couldnt be sure (Im not counting Mexico as US). Outside of Floyd and Ward, I dont think there is much potential for complete dominance from a US fighter the way GGG could dominate the MW div, or Yamanaka could dominate the BW div. I dont think Danny Garcia is the future of the Welterweight div. The only 2 US guys with realistic chances of dominating are Thurman and Mikey Garcia (arguably mexican)Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneIt doesn't make sense to deny it..;DQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI dont think this makes much sense at allQuote:
Originally Posted by cyclone
Mexico is declining....Puerto Rico as well..but not the US....all you have to do is look around.
GGG old ass isn't dominating anything but his dead division.
Garcia isn't a dominant fighter.
Who do they have to replace GG..Kovalev...and those old Klits??
NOBODY.
Where are the 22 y/o Russian/Khazak prospects??
Even their prospects are OLD.
Lomenchenko is the only young guy they have and he's about to get killed by GRjr
They can raise hell in the amateurs all they want...but the PROS is where it is and where they are not.
Fly - Roman Gonzalez
Bantomweight - Yamanaka, Kameda, Ceja, Butler
Super Bantom - Frampton, Quigg, Santa Cruz, Servania, Vargas
Feather - Lomachenko
Super Feather - Fortuna, Barthelemy, Ramirez, Ito, Naito
Lightweight - Vasquez
L - Welter - Dulorme, Shakhnazaryan
Welter - Belaev, Ponomarev, Zewski
LMW - Alvarez , Rabchenko
MW - Murata, Saunders, Uzcategui, Ogogo, Magomedov
SMW - Groves, Degale, Smith
Can you name as many good US prospects/contenders in these divs? Didnt bother go into the heavier weights as US fighters are shit up here at the moment.
There are good US prospects but its retarded to think that US dominates the sport like it did in the past. Cyclones clearly a flag hugging american. Wouldnt be surprised to find out he lives down South, makes 6 bucks and hours, lives in a shack but still thinks america is the greatest country in the world.
Geale is a B level fighter and it's a shit fight.. just wake me up when ggg fights a real threat.
Finito how can you say that about Geale? He is not the greatest middleweight ever but he has good skills, condition, heart and ability. He is far from a B level opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Finito isn't a fan of GGG.
Geale is a top 5 middleweight. GGG is (slowly) cleaning out the division. It's a good fight. Martinez and the crop at 168 are better, but it's a solid fight.
If Gaele were fighting Quillen you'd have no problem calling that bum a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFinito how can you say that about Geale? He is not the greatest middleweight ever but he has good skills, condition, heart and ability. He is far from a B level opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I wouldn't call Quillen a bum. He isn't great but he is not a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneIf Gaele were fighting Quillen you'd have no problem calling that bum a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFinito how can you say that about Geale? He is not the greatest middleweight ever but he has good skills, condition, heart and ability. He is far from a B level opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Silkyjoe
I cant reply directly to you post because the cursor keeps hopping around.
That is one joke of a list of shitty fighters.
No wonder you're such a bitter America hater.
You are retarded if you try to deny US dominance in boxing.
Mexico has fallen off the map..so have the Ricans.
The asians don't have shit soon as Pactrash retires...donaire aint shi.t.
The ONLY division where eurotrash fighters excell are WEAK divsions.
America will continue to rule boxing and all you haters can do is HATE.;D
I meant Gaele being a bum....but point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI wouldn't call Quillen a bum. He isn't great but he is not a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneIf Gaele were fighting Quillen you'd have no problem calling that bum a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFinito how can you say that about Geale? He is not the greatest middleweight ever but he has good skills, condition, heart and ability. He is far from a B level opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Nobody at 160 is great...or even close to it.
I think after Sergio smashes Cotto he will fight GGG next.