The Sweet Science at it's finest

When you talk about the sweet science at it's finest, people bring up fights like Gatti/Ward and Hagler/Hearns.

No, stupid.

Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit. I think this (along with Floyd vs Corrales) is one of the best examples of the sweet science. Pernell giving JCC a boxing lesson and getting robbed of a victory.

It's easy to be slick against inferior opposition, but at 87-0 at the time JCC was one of the greatest pressure fighters we've ever seen. He was also one of the best finishers with 74 KO's in those 87 wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTFd1dAK_w

Brilliant performance.

Chavez is the greatest. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Master

Chavez is the greatest. :cool:

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not on this side of the border;D

Pernell took him to school

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Pernell took him to school

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So he should it was at welterweight not JC superstars best weight.

Trinidad was so 1-dimensional, yet he still kicked the living $#!t out of Whitaker's lil @$$ every round, Whitaker's sweet science be damned...

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Pernell took him to school

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So he should it was at welterweight not JC superstars best weight.

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That's true

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Pernell took him to school

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So he should it was at welterweight not JC superstars best weight.

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That's true

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You should be arguing with me and saying Pernell agreed to fight at 145lb and that drained and disadvantaged sweet pea.

That would be disingenuous because Sweet Pea is fabulous at any weight.

You would also need to put Rigo on that list. He has the sweet science down to a science. I guess there has to be some kind of mix. I appreciated what Rigo did in the ring and made a point to watch his fights but for your ordinary fan he can be boring as he'll. Sometimes what Rigo could do was akin to a picture throwing a no hitter.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Pernell took him to school

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So he should it was at welterweight not JC superstars best weight.

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Stop with the excuses.

WW wasn't Wittaker's best weight either.

He could have fought Pernell much earlier but he was too busy trolling cab-stands for opponents.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Trinidad was so 1-dimensional, yet he still kicked the living $#!t out of Whitaker's lil @$$ every round, Whitaker's sweet science be damned...

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After Pernell was coming off a year long layoff.

At least he didn't get planted on his face like that dumb dog-eater you worship;D

De La Hoya deserved the decision over Whitaker too.
Whitaker did jack-$#!t in that fight.
He made De La Hoya miss, but he didn't counter after the slips; he just walked away instead. Crap-fight, but you have to give the decision to the guy who was at least throwing some punches.

there are two sides:

do not get hit and be fun to watch. No one can beat prime Tyson from these perspectives.

Whitaker was a ring general in the truest form that night. Hit and not be hit, other than Chavez occasional right he peppered Julio with the frequency of a grilled t bone. Texas, King and Sullied'man...the deck was stacked going in. King was already negotiating deals with the MGM but only if Chavez didn't lose...the whole scenario kicked boxing and the fans right in the balls.

Leonard-Benitez is always a great example of the sweet science for me :D

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Leonard-Benitez is always a great example of the sweet science for me :D

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agreed. I like also Toney vs Mccallum, insane skills

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Leonard-Benitez is always a great example of the sweet science for me :D

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agreed. I like also Toney vs Mccallum, insane skills

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Great fight. Toney was a pleasure to watch at his best :cool:

McCallum kind of threw it out the window and still damn near pulled it out in 1st bout, slugging on both guys part.

Random, I see Whitaker miles closer to Toney in style than a Mayweather, whole different kind of backfoot blend and asserting some inside respect. Hated Whitaker in 91' but grew to appreciate the shit outta him in hindsight

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McCallum kind of threw it out the window and still damn near pulled it out in 1st bout, slugging on both guys part.

Random, I see Whitaker miles closer to Toney in style than a Mayweather, whole different kind of backfoot blend and asserting some inside respect. Hated Whitaker in 91' but grew to appreciate the shit outta him in hindsight

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Floyd is better than Wittaker.

At 1:AM Floyd is in the gym

At 1:AM Wittaker is in the crackhouse.

You were busy hating him in 91 and you'd be hating him now if he were in his prime.

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Floyd is better than Wittaker.

At 1:AM Floyd is in the gym

At 1:AM Wittaker is in the crackhouse.

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Floyd's a crack-baby, does that count? :)

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Leonard-Benitez is always a great example of the sweet science for me :D

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agreed. I like also Toney vs Mccallum, insane skills

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I thought McCallum won that fight and both were beautiful boxers.

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McCallum kind of threw it out the window and still damn near pulled it out in 1st bout, slugging on both guys part.

Random, I see Whitaker miles closer to Toney in style than a Mayweather, whole different kind of backfoot blend and asserting some inside respect. Hated Whitaker in 91' but grew to appreciate the shit outta him in hindsight

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Floyd is better than Wittaker.

At 1:AM Floyd is in the gym

At 1:AM Wittaker is in the crackhouse.

You were busy hating him in 91 and you'd be hating him now if he were in his prime.

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Dafaq are you on about ass hat??? I hated him in 91' because I didn't appreciate boxing and was more interested in heavyweights beating the shit outta each other. Called growth and expanding a mind and admitting I could be a narrow minded clown there. Try it :cwm13:

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De La Hoya deserved the decision over Whitaker too.
Whitaker did jack-$#!t in that fight.
He made De La Hoya miss, but he didn't counter after the slips; he just walked away instead. Crap-fight, but you have to give the decision to the guy who was at least throwing some punches.

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Agree. Whitaker brought his A defense that night. But he only brought his barely D offense

1 AM in the gym, is a sign of bad time management.

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Originally Posted by boyla

1 AM in the gym, is a sign of bad time management.

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Agreed. So you train at night means you sleep in the day when the other fighter is training.

A Sweet Science fight: James Toney defeating John Ruiz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waYYKb4tXJ8

One of the greatest fights to ever display the art of the (SWEET SCIENCE) Hopkins defeating Trinindad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbJ8kgLW7Q

Patient, methodical & held his machismo in check. Barrera took Hamed to school and taught him the art of boxing: A technical, tactical performance. Threw only when needed, balanced, ring general favoring no one shot. I'd call this a Sweet Science fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSAToqk7Yis

Not many mention this fight. Mosley usually a boxer-puncher puts on a clinic against Collazo. Great skills on display. Shane schooled Collazo so well, I thought maybe Luis was over it. But Collazo went on to win and also gave Berto hell proving IMO that Shane executed the sweet science against him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1wzjieRB00

Toney spoilt his victory for testing positive for drugs.

Morales displayed brawling and the sweet science. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euf-hCiLAdE

That is how I see Floyd winning the fight boxing on the outside, using the distance and countering. Too fast, quick and experienced.

Will Floyd be willing to exchange like this though? Erik had to take some to give it.

Floyd's leagues above Morales and JMM in terms of boxing ability though.

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Floyd's leagues above Morales and JMM in terms of boxing ability though.

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Can't disagree, but my statement goes with the old addage (styles make fights)
Morales' display of the sweet science against Pac was that he took shots to give them and threw alot when needed.
I'm sure you've seen your share of fights where a better skilled fighter got outworked-outhustled or outgutted: not outsmarted or outboxed.

Rarely do both men display the sweet science. Shane & Oscar fight one was a masterpiece painted on the canvas between them both.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chMQWStbCmI Not a brawl, but a boxing match of two young skilled guys positioning, jabbing & trying to out hook the other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnmX15s7c4w

Wilfredo "El Radar de St. Just" Benitez taking the WBA light welterweight world championship from Antonio "Kid Pambelé" Cervantes, at the tender age of 17 (whole fight).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNttFqKTnXo

Amazing for a 17 year old to be so poised yet defined.