I cant think of 3 can you? I mean besides Pac bcuz that aint happenin for sure.
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I cant think of 3 can you? I mean besides Pac bcuz that aint happenin for sure.
I don't know if there are three guys right now where it would be like "holy shit".
I think if he went up to middleweight and beat Golovkin, Martinez, and then went up to 168 and beat Andre Ward that would prove that he's a decent boxer.
BTW I say Martinez because it's a foregone conclusion that he's going to beat the shit out of Miguel "1lb catchweight" Cotto
Khan, Maidana again, and finally Manny, Thurman or Porter. In any order he wants.
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Originally Posted by beenKOed
I agree with Khan. He will avoid Maidana like the plague, and as for the other 2, ehhh, are those such good fights for him? Thurman and POrter are real solid I like them both, but will anyone pay to watch it? Floyd wont fight if the money isnt there. Pac would be great--if he only fights 2 more times against Khan and Pac and beats them convincingly I would consider him in the top 3 or 4 all time greats, all divisions combined. No doubt.
But I think both Khan and Pac will give him fits like you cant believe.
Fuck Khan, he don't deserve it. Pac, Bradley and either Garcia or by that time maybe Thurman would've earnt it. For Khan to come into the mix he has to beat one of those. Then he will deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
I agree with Khan. He will avoid Maidana like the plague, and as for the other 2, ehhh, are those such good fights for him? Thurman and POrter are real solid I like them both, but will anyone pay to watch it? Floyd wont fight if the money isnt there. Pac would be great--if he only fights 2 more times against Khan and Pac and beats them
convincingly I would consider him in
the top 3 or 4 all time greats, all divisions combined. No doubt.
But I think both Khan and Pac will give him fits like you cant believe.
Floyd is hoping and praying that Cotto can pull off a miracle so he could earn a title at middleweight. That would enhance his legacy the rest like Maidana and Khan do not.
It's ridiculous you can win the championship of a division having never fought at the division, including in your "title fight".
I hope Sergio smashes baby boy Cotto into retirement.
Respect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
GGG for sure. That would be an impressive win. He should fight pac, but honestly that win isn't what it would've been a few years ago. If I was advising Floyd I would stay clear of Porter. I don't think Danny Garcia is a big challenge. Floyd destroys him. I would like to see him fight in order:
1) khan
2) Pac
3) GGG
I think the Hop or Ward fights r too much to ask of Floyd. Porter will make him look bad with that style match up. Floyd will likely pull it out, but Porter will make it HARD. Bradley, Maidana, and Danny Garcia don't seem like viable threats to me. Khan is interesting because of his speed and boxing skill, but I think Floyd takes over late for the win. Pac
Pac will present problems and be up for that fight, but I think he is farther past his prime than Floyd n will lose a decision or late stoppage. GGG is a HUGE risk n Floyd would be in my top ten with that win, but it will be tough to see him winning that one. I would be equally impressed with a Floyd win over Martinez. Those r the only ones I'm interested in seeing Floyd fight
Floyd can fight anyone he wants for his last fight, no matter who he fights, everyone will want to say they saw it, almost everyone. Hell, most of us would think he was stupid if he picked a real opponent for his last fight, or at least not groan too loudly no matter who he picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
I agree with Khan. He will avoid Maidana like the plague, and as for the other 2, ehhh, are those such good fights for him? Thurman and POrter are real solid I like them both, but will anyone pay to watch it? Floyd wont fight if the money isnt there. Pac would be great--if he only fights 2 more times against Khan and Pac and beats them convincingly I would consider him in the top 3 or 4 all time greats, all divisions combined. No doubt.
But I think both Khan and Pac will give him fits like you cant believe.
The other two will probably be Khan and Maidana.
Khan looked great against Collazo. Maidana looked very good against Floyd.
We have to remember that Floyd is no dummy and will not make a stupid move, here at the end. Hayman will be leaning over his shoulder anyway, so a stupid move is out.
Anyone think he'll fight Maidana again?
I think the only thing that ruin his plans is old age, Floyd did not sparkle against Maidana.
It's very interesting!
To enhance his legacy he should cut the BS and fight PAC Man, then Sergio and then GGG.
In reality it will he Maidana, khan and Devon Alexander.
That's rhetorical, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Its a moot point and based solely on ego. Martinez has never weighed in at 160. Fighters routinely weigh a pound or two under the class. That is what makes the demand so stupid. He never had to ask for it to accomplish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Anyway I cant think of 3. I still say Khan would be his most difficult matchup today and if Floyd does not hit that 50 and 0 and retire he most likely will get beat by someone he would have toyed with previously. I do think he's looking for a way into 160 and probably feels Martinez is ripe. He may not be at ringside but I'd bet he will be closed up somewhere watching that fight.
Nobody mentioned Lara? If I could choose I'd pick:
1. a Maidana rematch (just to wipe that "stain" off his record)
2. Khan
3. Erislander Lara (to measure up his skills against a slick boxer)
For the 50-0, Pacquiao if possible. If not, just retire undefeated.
Bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
Let's not get over dramatic. Cotto is fighting at middleweight, against the champion and is the under dog going into the fight. Respect. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
Why Maidana? Khan, Thurman and Porter at Welter. No need to give up any further size advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
He's fighting an old small middleweight. It's a hard fight for him but there are a lot harder fights out there for himQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
I respected Cotto until a few fights ago whining after getting schooled by Trout. Acting like he had KO'd a tough fighter when he fought Rodriguez then making all those stupid demands against Martinez and talking about How he's doing it for legacy. If he was such a proud warrior like everyone says he would have faced GGG at 160 for he's title Cotto has turned into a pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe's fighting an old small middleweight. It's a hard fight for him but there are a lot harder fights out there for himQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
What the fuck has GG done to seal anybodys legacy when he doesn't even one himself???Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Pac, Martinez-Cotto winner then Ward ;D
Hes thought of as one of the most dangerous and avoided fighters at around. It would take a very brave LMW to go up and fight him. Could you imagine the shit youd be giving GGG if he was to fight Cotto!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat the fuck has GG done to seal anybodys legacy when he doesn't even one himself???Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
GG is fighting in a dead division...nobody is afraid of him....and Cotto would actually be a huge step up for him considering hasn't done shit for 7 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHes thought of as one of the most dangerous and avoided fighters at around. It would take a very brave LMW to go up and fight him. Could you imagine the shit youd be giving GGG if he was to fight Cotto!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat the fuck has GG done to seal anybodys legacy when he doesn't even one himself???Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Floyd is not a LMW he's a WW with most of his career fights at 130 and 135.
Mayweather has shown bravery by moving up so many times....now let's see GG do it ONCE.
He won't because he simply does not have the game.
This would probably be the only fight in cottos career that he's taken advantage of something like that. But he 5'6 going to 160/159 he's small for 154 he's a dwarf at 160. So in reality it's also Martinez taking advantage of cottos courage wouldn't you say? He's picking on the little guy. So I don't see how cotto is taking advantage of him. Mayweather could fight Martinez or JCC could rematch him or GGG or canelo could but no one else is taking the risk cotto is taking. How is cotto a bitch? I hope cotto sparks Martinez and lands a mayweather rematch. That would be wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLet's not get over dramatic. Cotto is fighting at middleweight, against the champion and is the under dog going into the fight. Respect. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
Garcia at 140
Pacman
Winner of Cotto vs Martinez
I am a fan or Cotto but I want Sergio to win and hope Floyd takes the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThis would probably be the only fight in cottos career that he's taken advantage of something like that. But he 5'6 going to 160/159 he's small for 154 he's a dwarf at 160. So in reality it's also Martinez taking advantage of cottos courage wouldn't you say? He's picking on the little guy. So I don't see how cotto is taking advantage of him. Mayweather could fight Martinez or JCC could rematch him or GGG or canelo could but no one else is taking the risk cotto is taking. How is cotto a bitch? I hope cotto sparks Martinez and lands a mayweather rematch. That would be wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLet's not get over dramatic. Cotto is fighting at middleweight, against the champion and is the under dog going into the fight. Respect. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
Floyd was fighting at welter before GG went pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneGG is fighting in a dead division...nobody is afraid of him....and Cotto would actually be a huge step up for him considering hasn't done shit for 7 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHes thought of as one of the most dangerous and avoided fighters at around. It would take a very brave LMW to go up and fight him. Could you imagine the shit youd be giving GGG if he was to fight Cotto!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat the fuck has GG done to seal anybodys legacy when he doesn't even one himself???Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Floyd is not a LMW he's a WW with most of his career fights at 130 and 135.
Mayweather has shown bravery by moving up so many times....now let's see GG do it ONCE.
He won't because he simply does not have the game.
if sergio wins Floyd won't take the challenge. but id rather cotto win, martinez is on his way out anyways. cotto can still fight another few years as long as he keeps training the way he is. but of course im also a cotto fan :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am a fan or Cotto but I want Sergio to win and hope Floyd takes the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThis would probably be the only fight in cottos career that he's taken advantage of something like that. But he 5'6 going to 160/159 he's small for 154 he's a dwarf at 160. So in reality it's also Martinez taking advantage of cottos courage wouldn't you say? He's picking on the little guy. So I don't see how cotto is taking advantage of him. Mayweather could fight Martinez or JCC could rematch him or GGG or canelo could but no one else is taking the risk cotto is taking. How is cotto a bitch? I hope cotto sparks Martinez and lands a mayweather rematch. That would be wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLet's not get over dramatic. Cotto is fighting at middleweight, against the champion and is the under dog going into the fight. Respect. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
Respect that but I want to see Floyd stuttering and trying to explain why he is not fighting a dangerous hard punching middleweight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardusif sergio wins Floyd won't take the challenge. but id rather cotto win, martinez is on his way out anyways. cotto can still fight another few years as long as he keeps training the way he is. but of course im also a cotto fan :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am a fan or Cotto but I want Sergio to win and hope Floyd takes the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelardusThis would probably be the only fight in cottos career that he's taken advantage of something like that. But he 5'6 going to 160/159 he's small for 154 he's a dwarf at 160. So in reality it's also Martinez taking advantage of cottos courage wouldn't you say? He's picking on the little guy. So I don't see how cotto is taking advantage of him. Mayweather could fight Martinez or JCC could rematch him or GGG or canelo could but no one else is taking the risk cotto is taking. How is cotto a bitch? I hope cotto sparks Martinez and lands a mayweather rematch. That would be wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLet's not get over dramatic. Cotto is fighting at middleweight, against the champion and is the under dog going into the fight. Respect. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRespect Cotto for taking the dangerous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He's fighting a 39 year old champ who, while once an amazing talent, has been plagued with knee injuries over the last few years, hasn't fought in over a year and looked like he had declined considerably in his last outing.
Cotto is trying to take advantage of a once great champ who (seemingly) is ripe for the picking. And what's more, he wouldn't even fight him at his weight class.
I hope he gets sparked.
Floyd's legacy is sealed- even if he doesn't fight Pac. But, not fighting Pac put him out of the top 5 best EVER in the world conversation. He is in the top 20 best ever discussion, for sure. Which is nothing to snicker about.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I rate SRL, Chavez Jr., Ali, Roy Jones and Ray Robinson ahead of him on any day....
An argument can be made for Hopkins, Tyson, Lennox, Louis, Hagler, Hearns being ahead of him too.
Agree an argument can be made for a lot of fighters because of his weak opposition. Id have Duran and Pep on that list too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaFloyd's legacy is sealed- even if he doesn't fight Pac. But, not fighting Pac put him out of the top 5 best EVER in the world conversation. He is in the top 20 best ever discussion, for sure. Which is nothing to snicker about.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I rate SRL, Chavez Jr., Ali, Roy Jones and Ray Robinson ahead of him on any day....
An argument can be made for Hopkins, Tyson, Lennox, Louis, Hagler, Hearns being ahead of him too.
Dont get me wrong Floyd has fought some really good fights, some great fighters, but I dont think hes ever fought another all time great in his prime. IMO his best wins came over 10 years ago
NEXT THREE FIGHTS:
Andre Ward at 168
BHOP at 175.
Then his retirement fight, Wlad Klitschko at HW.
If he wins all those fights, then maybe he can be an ATG.
Floyd's legacy is already sealed. Any boxing fan worth their salt knows he's an ATG.
But, if I had to choose three opponents, it would be:
Lara (If he beats Canelo)
Winner of Thurman-Porter
Winner of Martinez-Cotto
If he wins the MW title, and becomes a six weight champion, that should silence his remaining doubters.
Of course he is. But Im talking about sealing his place in the top5 ever. I dont think he has done that yet and imo is at least 3 really good opponents away from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
I don't think Floyd will ever be top 5. He just hasn't fought enough top opponents for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeOf course he is. But Im talking about sealing his place in the top5 ever. I dont think he has done that yet and imo is at least 3 really good opponents away from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Nobody will ever be top 5. After 1990, the polls closed and all the top 10 spots were taken.
Especially when they do not fight the best fighters in their division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker