Too tough, too resilient, too focused. And too strong, that is for sure. Woulda whipped Calzaghe.
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Too tough, too resilient, too focused. And too strong, that is for sure. Woulda whipped Calzaghe.
What have you been drinking, Whipped Calzaghe IN A PIGS EYE Froch is far to slow for JoeQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
yes Calzaghe would out box him, you have raised my blood pressure your exalaxe Chocolate
cake is in the post.;D:LOS:
So come on, you hooked me. is it a wind up or a joke? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Froch is the best British fighter and you can watch his fight against groves at WWW . PPV-HD . COM
I'm a big Carl Froch fan, But Groves was kicking his ass before the fight was stopped. Big fight for both fighters. if Groves wins I see a Ward fight soon there after. Froch would have to score a KO in order to win back support. It's going to be a big night for boxing.
i like Carl Froch, he's always in good fights and has never ducked anybody in his life. His last ten fights would compare with just about anyone's in terms of fighting the best that are out there.
He is a big, strong beast whose iron chin and durability are right up there ..... But I do think he is not technically sound and he has always struggled with boxers. He can be quite slow and when people don't stand in front of him, he can be picked off. Interestingly, I think Ward actually beat him widely on the inside (not by picking him off at long range)
Calzaghe had totally the wrong style for Carl, and in my humble opinion would have schooled him somewhat and won a wide unanimous decision in a less than thrilling fight.
Now .... I'd like to have seen a prime James Toney fight Froch, or even Marvin Hagler. I don't think Carl would have won either fight, but they would have been pretty thrilling.
For the record, I think Froch would have beaten Collins and (yes) Benn. I love Nigel Benn but styles make fights and I think he would have been far too big for the Dark Destroyer, who was actually a pretty small middleweight. I think Eubank and Froch is a brutal war ending in a split decision either way, and I think Watson out boxes Froch handily.
Hmm, questionable. Froch loses his big fights and loses a lot of rounds. Not even comparable to Calzaghe IMO.
He's been beaten before...check that gift of his last fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
He woulda' beat Joe..but that ain't saying much.
Questionable is how you worship The Welsh Rabbit but hate on Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
That demonstrates the type of lap-dogs you people are.
Froch took chances that Joe would never consider.
He left that coward in the dust a long time ago.
Except Ward, Kessler, Calzaghe and Roy Jones you are probably right. :)
I like froch but he lost to ward and dirrell was tooo close.
He avenged kessler loss and ward could be next if he gets past groves.
JC would outbox froch BUT at least froch will fight an up and coming undefeated fighter and has ducked no one!
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Originally Posted by imp
Joe list of fighters would be terrible if he had not beaten his last 4 fighters - 2 young undefeated fighters and 2 ring legends.
The Calzaghe that boxed rings around Lacy could outbox Froch, the Calzaghe that got drawn into a slugfest and robbed Robin Reid couldn't outfight Froch...
Calzaghe would've bloodied Carl worse than he did Roy jones. It would've beena massacre
Frochs chin is too good for Joe SLAPPER calsoggy
I like Froch a lot, but as with some its his defects and the struggle to course correct that make him most exciting. I don't think he beats Benn honestly and as for Calzaghe just not interested enough on Joes part to find out.
So that explains how he wouldn't get knocked out against Calzaghe , but how is he gonna land any meaningful punches and win rounds? Sure, against Groves, there's the possibility of Groves tiring , but Calzaghe kept going to the final bell against all sorts , Kessler , Hopkins, Eubank, Lacy, to name just a few. Calzaghe regularly beat guys with Froch's style , they were made for him. Easy nights work for Joe , Slappy or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
btw, Eubank, Benn, Watson, Herrol Graham all beat Froch (probably on points) Steve Collins ????
Only Eubank beats Froch on that list. Benn was too wild to beat Froch. Wide open Nigel Benn. Chin would be right there for carl to tee-off on. Also Collings NO WAY. Herrol Graham I can agree with it would go 50/50 every time, would be a great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo that explains how he wouldn't get knocked out against Calzaghe , but how is he gonna land any meaningful punches and win rounds? Sure, against Groves, there's the possibility of Groves tiring , but Calzaghe kept going to the final bell against all sorts , Kessler , Hopkins, Eubank, Lacy, to name just a few. Calzaghe regularly beat guys with Froch's style , they were made for him. Easy nights work for Joe , Slappy or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
btw, Eubank, Benn, Watson, Herrol Graham all beat Froch (probably on points) Steve Collins ????
Froch could not even beat Calzaghe's left overs it took him rematch to do it. Calzaghe would box cricles around the guy say what you want but Froch not in Calzaghe league. Hell he not even the man in his division at least Calzaghe was the man at Smw and Lhw and was 46 and o at the end.
You forgot to say, 'except Andre Ward', who easily beat him & is still around & still a World Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I like Froch, but he is far too slow to have ever stood a chance against Calzaghe.
For those saying Froch never ducked anyone.....
However, without wishing to sound like a broken record, I must reiterate that the Nottingham man would not have beaten Joe Calzaghe; nor has he had a greater career as some scribes have been suggesting. Let's deal in cold, hard facts. Unlike Froch, Calzaghe never met with defeat in 46 fights because, unlike Froch, he had a diverse skill set to combat whatever the opposition brought to the ring.
Much has been made of the austerity of Froch's opposition but it doesn't stack up against JC's. Calzaghe saw off nine world champions and tamed a younger, fresher and far more dangerous version of Kessler – then just 28 and unbeaten in 39 - before 54,000 at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium. People forget several of the less familiar names on Joe's slate were enforced mandatory defences.
Trust me, fighters know more than I know. Only Steve Collins knows whether he vacated his world title and retired rather than accommodate the young Calzaghe and Eubank left the ring muttering that he now knew "why that wily old fox Collins didn't face Joe".
Twice when Froch was out of contract, I offered him the Calzaghe fight but both times he stalled and repeatedly asked when Joe intended moving up to light-heavy. He knew Calzaghe was as tough as him, yet far quicker and more skilled. He wanted no part and that's a fact.
Frank Warren's Column- 01/06/13 | Frank Warren
Let a outsider take a shot at this. Joe Galzaghe would have made Carl Froch his bitch. Something like 8 rounds to 4. Sorry, big Froch fan but Joe was just the better fighter.
far too slow...........thats what they said about Foreman and Marciano. But they kept on winnin'. Froch lands the shots despite being so "slow".Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorYou forgot to say, 'except Andre Ward', who easily beat him & is still around & still a World Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I like Froch, but he is far too slow to have ever stood a chance against Calzaghe.
Against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfar too slow...........thats what they said about Foreman and Marciano. But they kept on winnin'. Froch lands the shots despite being so "slow".Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorYou forgot to say, 'except Andre Ward', who easily beat him & is still around & still a World Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I like Froch, but he is far too slow to have ever stood a chance against Calzaghe.
How many fighters did both beat as world champions?;D
Including winnng the title, Marciano only beat 5 men but 7 fights ncluding 2 rematches. Foreman only beat 3 fighters including winning the title! So a combined 8 between 2 greats.
They were great fighters but they deffinitely did have their faults and lots of fighters would have outboxed them.
I normally agree with you but Foreman lost to the greatest heavy weight ever and Rocky retired undefeated so they could not be criticised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgainst who?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfar too slow...........thats what they said about Foreman and Marciano. But they kept on winnin'. Froch lands the shots despite being so "slow".Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorYou forgot to say, 'except Andre Ward', who easily beat him & is still around & still a World Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I like Froch, but he is far too slow to have ever stood a chance against Calzaghe.
How many fighters did both beat as world champions?;D
Including winnng the title, Marciano only beat 5 men but 7 fights ncluding 2 rematches. Foreman only beat 3 fighters including winning the title! So a combined 8 between 2 greats.
They were great fighters but they deffinitely did have their faults and lots of fighters would have outboxed them.
Froch can be and has been out boxed, and who has the better engine Joe or Carl the winner
by a mile Joe, over 12 rounds Carl would be lucky to win 4 rounds also he would take a lot
of stick, I think he would take a drubbing.
Ok rocky retired undefeated, he didnt stick round to get defeated. Foreman, what did he do after ali?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI normally agree with you but Foreman lost to the greatest heavy weight ever and Rocky retired undefeated so they could not be criticised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgainst who?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfar too slow...........thats what they said about Foreman and Marciano. But they kept on winnin'. Froch lands the shots despite being so "slow".Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorYou forgot to say, 'except Andre Ward', who easily beat him & is still around & still a World Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I like Froch, but he is far too slow to have ever stood a chance against Calzaghe.
How many fighters did both beat as world champions?;D
Including winnng the title, Marciano only beat 5 men but 7 fights ncluding 2 rematches. Foreman only beat 3 fighters including winning the title! So a combined 8 between 2 greats.
They were great fighters but they deffinitely did have their faults and lots of fighters would have outboxed them.
Also the title of this thread has to be tongue in cheek becuse I think kessler has another win over froch in him, ward deffinitly does, bika does and maybe groves does.
Kessler, Ward and Groves would disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Benn would have easily beaten Froch. I don't know why anyone doubts Benn's chin. Have you not seen the McClellan fight? McClellan hit 10 times harder than Froch ever will and Froch really isn't a big puncher. He wears people down rather than knocking them clean out. Benn wouldn't have much to worry about standing in front of Froch, but Froch sure would. Froch has never been in with a puncher like Benn. If Groves can put Froch on the canvas, Benn sure as hell would.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustOnly Eubank beats Froch on that list. Benn was too wild to beat Froch. Wide open Nigel Benn. Chin would be right there for carl to tee-off on. Also Collings NO WAY. Herrol Graham I can agree with it would go 50/50 every time, would be a great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo that explains how he wouldn't get knocked out against Calzaghe , but how is he gonna land any meaningful punches and win rounds? Sure, against Groves, there's the possibility of Groves tiring , but Calzaghe kept going to the final bell against all sorts , Kessler , Hopkins, Eubank, Lacy, to name just a few. Calzaghe regularly beat guys with Froch's style , they were made for him. Easy nights work for Joe , Slappy or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
btw, Eubank, Benn, Watson, Herrol Graham all beat Froch (probably on points) Steve Collins ????
Eubank would have messed Froch around and toyed with him. Graham would have soundly beaten him on points and Calzaghe would have done to Froch what he did to Jeff Lacy. Watson would have taken a decision over him as well.
Only Eubanks beats Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesqueBenn would have easily beaten Froch. I don't know why anyone doubts Benn's chin. Have you not seen the McClellan fight? McClellan hit 10 times harder than Froch ever will and Froch really isn't a big puncher. He wears people down rather than knocking them clean out. Benn wouldn't have much to worry about standing in front of Froch, but Froch sure would. Froch has never been in with a puncher like Benn. If Groves can put Froch on the canvas, Benn sure as hell would.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustOnly Eubank beats Froch on that list. Benn was too wild to beat Froch. Wide open Nigel Benn. Chin would be right there for carl to tee-off on. Also Collings NO WAY. Herrol Graham I can agree with it would go 50/50 every time, would be a great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo that explains how he wouldn't get knocked out against Calzaghe , but how is he gonna land any meaningful punches and win rounds? Sure, against Groves, there's the possibility of Groves tiring , but Calzaghe kept going to the final bell against all sorts , Kessler , Hopkins, Eubank, Lacy, to name just a few. Calzaghe regularly beat guys with Froch's style , they were made for him. Easy nights work for Joe , Slappy or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
btw, Eubank, Benn, Watson, Herrol Graham all beat Froch (probably on points) Steve Collins ????
Eubank would have messed Froch around and toyed with him. Graham would have soundly beaten him on points and Calzaghe would have done to Froch what he did to Jeff Lacy. Watson would have taken a decision over him as well.
Everything I say is always true. SMOKED.
Andre Ward in vegas anyone?
That would be good or even Kessler if Junior does not agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakesmithnrb
I said Froch would SMOKE Groves at 2:02 of the 8th round. I was only 1 round off. I know my boxing and anyone who questions me from now on will be exposed and called-out as a FAKE.
Those 2 ring legends were already beaten..that's why Joe fought them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Joe list of fighters would be terrible if he had not beaten his last 4 fighters - 2 young undefeated fighters and 2 ring legends.
Joe understood his many limitaions....too bad his fans don't.
Another one. Hopkins beat Calzaghe. If you know how to score that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneThose 2 ring legends were already beaten..that's why Joe fought them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Joe list of fighters would be terrible if he had not beaten his last 4 fighters - 2 young undefeated fighters and 2 ring legends.
Joe understood his many limitaions....too bad his fans don't.