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Firstly, I usually hate these threads, but with tonight's Froch/Groves 2 it seemed fitting.
I watch CEJr giving Froch a hard time in sparring and it leads me to ask, what would his dad have done to him in his prime? He was a much, much better boxer.
Both around their peaks imo. Eubank was dominating MW and moving up to SMW in 1991-1992, while Froch was destroying Bute in 2012.
I'd pick Eubank to win a fairly one sided UD.
117-111 Maybe.
Eubanks did not like a hard fast pace and he hated body punching which froch would do. Eubanks had a monster right hand and great straight punches. So do not know who would win because both have great chins and it would be a tough battle.
Easy win for Eubank. He'd have completely messed with Froch's head as well.
Eubank liked fighters to come at him and Froch would duly oblige. Eubank just counters him all night long and takes a decision.
Eubank could be outhustled and slept on a few 'lesser' guys but he was just too thick for a wide & random Froch. Chin, accuracy and boiling a guy down, very cagey and had the pop to win.
I don't see to many people beating Chris in his prime or over a best of three. Maybe two guys. Roy and Joe.
Club fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Eubanks had some poor performances for sure but he had some great wins too against Benn and Watson. That fighter was top draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Lots of atg's have been beaten by lesser opponents and club fighters and some knocked out by them like Armstrong, Arguello and Benny Leonard to name a few . Watson is another fighter that on any given night in his prime could have beaten anyone and Chris never lost on the official ledger although I think Michael won the first. We all know what happened in the second. No shame on losing to Collins on points either and I think Chris's ego got the best of him at the time. I think he could have beaten Collins but he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Britain was stacked at 160-168 in those days and akin to the Fab 5 days in the 80's on this continent. Five because I include Benitez with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. 168 is a young division but Chris makes my top 5 list. The only guy I see him having problems with today is Ward.
ATG ? and Eubank do not go hand in hand my friend , he didn't even hold a real title the WBO was a joke belt at the time. ATG'S don't lose to club fighters during their title reign. He was a British media product , exciting and steel chinned but nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLots of atg's have been beaten by lesser opponents and club fighters and some knocked out by them like Armstrong, Arguello and Benny Leonard to name a few . Watson is another fighter that on any given night in his prime could have beaten anyone and Chris never lost on the official ledger although I think Michael won the first. We all know what happened in the second. No shame on losing to Collins on points either and I think Chris's ego got the best of him at the time. I think he could have beaten Collins but he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Britain was stacked at 160-168 in those days and akin to the Fab 5 days in the 80's on this continent. Five because I include Benitez with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. 168 is a young division but Chris makes my top 5 list. The only guy I see him having problems with today is Ward.
I disagree that he was overrated, but I agree he had some bad fights, every fighter does, it just stands out more when it happens to the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
He is not a boxing ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI disagree that he was overrated, but I agree he had some bad fights, every fighter does, it just stands out more when it happens to the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah atg at 168 imo. None of those belts are real and the WBO was as young as the division. Its also the same belt that Joe fought him for after Collins retired and then Joe defended that newbie title 17 time before unifying with Lacy. Atg's do lose to clubbers during their reign brother. Robinson lost to Pender twice and back to back. Arguello lost his title to Vilomar Fernandez. If it wasn't half past 6 in the morning I could list several but its happened lots. Oh for sure he was hyped but no more or less then anyone else. You cant just go by resumes on atg lists because if we did many, many fighters would be dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlATG ? and Eubank do not go hand in hand my friend , he didn't even hold a real title the WBO was a joke belt at the time. ATG'S don't lose to club fighters during their title reign. He was a British media product , exciting and steel chinned but nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLots of atg's have been beaten by lesser opponents and club fighters and some knocked out by them like Armstrong, Arguello and Benny Leonard to name a few . Watson is another fighter that on any given night in his prime could have beaten anyone and Chris never lost on the official ledger although I think Michael won the first. We all know what happened in the second. No shame on losing to Collins on points either and I think Chris's ego got the best of him at the time. I think he could have beaten Collins but he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Britain was stacked at 160-168 in those days and akin to the Fab 5 days in the 80's on this continent. Five because I include Benitez with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. 168 is a young division but Chris makes my top 5 list. The only guy I see him having problems with today is Ward.
Eubanks is not an ATG, he showed greatness when he beat Benn and Watson but the rest was what Al said. Roy Jones would show him what greatness is, I suspect Toney would have too. Herol Graham would have embarrassed him. McCallum would rip him apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYeah atg at 168 imo. None of those belts are real and the WBO was as young as the division. Its also the same belt that Joe fought him for after Collins retired and then Joe defended that newbie title 17 time before unifying with Lacy. Atg's do lose to clubbers during their reign brother. Robinson lost to Pender twice and back to back. Arguello lost his title to Vilomar Fernandez. If it wasn't half past 6 in the morning I could list several but its happened lots. Oh for sure he was hyped but no more or less then anyone else. You cant just go by resumes on atg lists because if we did many, many fighters would be dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlATG ? and Eubank do not go hand in hand my friend , he didn't even hold a real title the WBO was a joke belt at the time. ATG'S don't lose to club fighters during their title reign. He was a British media product , exciting and steel chinned but nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLots of atg's have been beaten by lesser opponents and club fighters and some knocked out by them like Armstrong, Arguello and Benny Leonard to name a few . Watson is another fighter that on any given night in his prime could have beaten anyone and Chris never lost on the official ledger although I think Michael won the first. We all know what happened in the second. No shame on losing to Collins on points either and I think Chris's ego got the best of him at the time. I think he could have beaten Collins but he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Britain was stacked at 160-168 in those days and akin to the Fab 5 days in the 80's on this continent. Five because I include Benitez with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. 168 is a young division but Chris makes my top 5 list. The only guy I see him having problems with today is Ward.
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Originally Posted by MasterEubanks is not an ATG, he showed greatness when he beat Benn and Watson but the rest was what Al said. Roy Jones would show him what greatness is, I suspect Toney would have too. Herol Graham would have embarrassed him. McCallum would rip him apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYeah atg at 168 imo. None of those belts are real and the WBO was as young as the division. Its also the same belt that Joe fought him for after Collins retired and then Joe defended that newbie title 17 time before unifying with Lacy. Atg's do lose to clubbers during their reign brother. Robinson lost to Pender twice and back to back. Arguello lost his title to Vilomar Fernandez. If it wasn't half past 6 in the morning I could list several but its happened lots. Oh for sure he was hyped but no more or less then anyone else. You cant just go by resumes on atg lists because if we did many, many fighters would be dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlATG ? and Eubank do not go hand in hand my friend , he didn't even hold a real title the WBO was a joke belt at the time. ATG'S don't lose to club fighters during their title reign. He was a British media product , exciting and steel chinned but nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLots of atg's have been beaten by lesser opponents and club fighters and some knocked out by them like Armstrong, Arguello and Benny Leonard to name a few . Watson is another fighter that on any given night in his prime could have beaten anyone and Chris never lost on the official ledger although I think Michael won the first. We all know what happened in the second. No shame on losing to Collins on points either and I think Chris's ego got the best of him at the time. I think he could have beaten Collins but he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlClub fighter Dan Schommer beat a prime Eubank , Watson beat him in the first fight , the guy threw a right hand like he was knocking out a light bulb , over rated , great chin for sure but over rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Britain was stacked at 160-168 in those days and akin to the Fab 5 days in the 80's on this continent. Five because I include Benitez with Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. 168 is a young division but Chris makes my top 5 list. The only guy I see him having problems with today is Ward.
Given the age of the division etc and his skill set whether he achieved the % of greatness to all time status per individual is subjective. I think he matches up with anyone in the top 5 before or since. That to me equates to all time great super middle. I already agreed that Jones beats him but imo its a tough fight and the same for Joe had he fought him earlier. Please don't dismiss Chris and then bring up Toney at 168 at the same time. He had one meaningful fight at that weight and was embarrassed by Roy and before that went life and death with Prince Charles before stopping him in the 12th. He did beat Barkley but that version of Barkley was no better then the club fighter on Eubank's lodge pole.
If you were to ask for an atg super middle weight list on any forum I guarantee you Chris makes the top 10 and in or near the upper half.
Btw I found him extremely annoying then and do today. I also think his kid is in for a rude awakening.
I think Junior is going to be better that his dad.
OK Toney was inconsistent at times but I thought he was excellent against Williams. That fight was top draw and the ending quality.
He did. Williams was no chump. Came in with a solid game plan and executed it early in smothering and out working Toney but once Toney got distance and worked off ropes the ceiling caved in on him. Toney half assed a few fights but at 168 his wins over Williams, Barkley and Littles were quality. He also handled and beat a inspired Thorton, RIP, much easier that Eubanks had just a year earlier. One I personally had Tony winning just barely :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Crazy when you think about it..Toney and Eubank were a lot alike in the ring, lots of posturing and timing out rounds. Little bit flat footed and egos that needed additional dressing rooms.
Eubank had a very fragile psychology as demonstrated by Collins. He was spookable. All that front usually is just cover and unfortunately his son seems even more deluded than his Dad. Eubank Jr did not boss Froch in that sparring video and will come apart at the seams like a badly made toy as soon as he actually fights somebody other than the guy who delivers the gyms water bottles.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
I agree it's a terrific match, pretty sure I'd pick Eubank on his best form, he was much less consistent than Carl so forget how good he was some nights. However, one things for sure, the gene pool couldn't lose in the event of a tragedy:-X Two absolute first class jackasses imo. Eubank was before my time and there must be some reason he's well liked, but to listen to him now... Christ, I just feel like he should have things thrown at him on a regular basis.
Lol he is very annoying living vicariously through his son. He might be suicidal if the kid gets beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Obviously has the same tailor as Don Cherry.;D The dandy.