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NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
Sergio Martinez won’t be allowed to wear knee brace for Cotto fight on Saturday
Is the deck already being stacked against Sergio? Is cotto hoping for another Yuri Foreman? Yanno, I really couldn't understand why Sergio was getting so upset with Cotto's requests before... Now i'm just hoping Sergio Makes good on his prediction for Cotto to not make it out of the 9th round.
oops sorry for the typo in the title.
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Wow that's some straight up horse shit
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
For Cotto nuthuggers who were going on about how brave Cotto was for moving up a division (well, kind of) to fight Sergio, here's the reality check:
He's fighting a 39 year old who needs a KNEE BRACE to fight.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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Sergio Martinez won’t be allowed to wear knee brace for Cotto fight on Saturday
Is the deck already being stacked against Sergio? Is cotto hoping for another Yuri Foreman? Yanno, I really couldn't understand why Sergio was getting so upset with Cotto's requests before... Now i'm just hoping Sergio Makes good on his prediction for Cotto to not make it out of the 9th round.
oops sorry for the typo in the title.
If the old overrated fag don't like it,he can move on and fight somebody else.
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A wheel chair it is then, this will make it far more riveting.
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Man what took me so long to add cylone idiot to the ignore list...hope serg can pull it out but this isn't good
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Cotto haters need to at least try to be objective. What is Martinez doing defending his title using a knee brace? What next an arm brace because somebody has a shot elbow? Why should he be able to get leverage advantage through artificial means? This is ridiculous and if that injury is that bad then quit fighting.
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Cotto is the house fighter here. The NYSAC are doing everything they can to extend his career.
If Sergio wins comfortably on points how confident will he feel in the ring afterwards waiting for the decision?
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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cyclone
If the old overrated f_ _ don't like it,he can move on and fight somebody else.
I find this slur to be incredibly offensive, insensitive, and inexcusable in this public forum.
I demand that you apologize, take ownership, and make restitution.
I have a delicate constitution, y'know...
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IamInuit
Cotto haters need to at least try to be objective. What is Martinez doing defending his title using a knee brace? What next an arm brace because somebody has a shot elbow? Why should he be able to get leverage advantage through artificial means? This is ridiculous and if that injury is that bad then quit fighting.
...You could also include needing xylocaine injections in the hands to numb them to be able to fight. But then a guy'd only be able to fight in Nevada because xylocaine in the hands in banned by most other athletic commissions in the USA.
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Cotto haters need to at least try to be objective. What is Martinez doing defending his title using a knee brace? What next an arm brace because somebody has a shot elbow? Why should he be able to get leverage advantage through artificial means? This is ridiculous and if that injury is that bad then quit fighting.
Why are they doing this tho this time? Yuri had a brace on when he defended against cotto I'm sure there are other examples and this doesn't seem to usually be banned
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Martinez should pull out of the fight if the conditions aren't suiting him.
He's the champion. He's anti bullying... Just walk away and choose to defend against someone else.
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Martinez should pull out of the fight if the conditions aren't suiting him.
He's the champion. He's anti bullying... Just walk away and choose to defend against someone else.
Agreed... Martinez is the undisputed champion of the world and should have never agreed to these bullshit terms in the 1st place. I like Cotto but the whole A side B side crap is nonsense when it comes to respect to the champion and Cotto should have understood that. You want the belts come and get them on a level playing field.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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Cotto is the house fighter here. The NYSAC are doing everything they can to extend his career.
If Sergio wins comfortably on points how confident will he feel in the ring afterwards waiting for the decision?
I don't buy that in this case and I called Cotto on his stupid weight demand and name appearing first on the banner.Again, if that knee is still that fk'd up then Martinez should have retired. He does not have a special right to gain leverage through artificial means anymore then someone has to do steroids. What next an elbow brace for arm extension of full fake limb? A great play for a built in excuse though.
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Are they talking about an actual mechanical brace or the pull on, over the knee elastic type?
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That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
Knee supports are fine and should be allowed. I wear the metal ones not because I have to but because I feel more confident that my knee will not give way in them.
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head??? This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
Can Sergio Martinez punch with power without a brace? If not, he might be in for a long night.
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IamInuit
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head??? This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.
Lets just call it a difference of opinion then. I mean why does he need it? Is it a crutch and if so why is he fighting? People are acting as if Cotto runs the NYSAC. I'm sure the science has been viewed by those who made the call. What are people going to say if Martinez limps to the ring. They will probably call Cotto the cheat. The bottom line is if he gains strength from that device? If it can be shown that he does or that it enables him to do things that he could not do w/o it then that's wrong plain and simple. Whether he is the six million dollar man is not at issue.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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IamInuit
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.
I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.
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IamInuit
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head??? This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.
Lets just call it a difference of opinion then. I mean why does he need it? Is it a crutch and if so why is he fighting? People are acting as if Cotto runs the NYSAC. I'm sure the science has been viewed by those who made the call. What are people going to say if Martinez limps to the ring. They will probably call Cotto the cheat. The bottom line is if he gains strength from that device? If it can be shown that he does or that it enables him to do things that he could not do w/o it then that's wrong plain and simple. Whether he is the six million dollar man is not at issue.
Fair enough bud, I just cannot in anyway see how this would add strength or power. Make it level, yeh. You have to consider that the huge knock on Martinez was that he IS damaged goods and a walking rehab session...not to all, but its all I heard when this was signed. And that's -before- this curveball new rule came down. I see a brace as strictly stabilization and even then its a false sense of security if a guy over relies, all the braces in the world didn't stop a Jesus Chavez v Julio Diaz scenario or a McCline etc etc.
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That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.
I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may
add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.
You are right it is not the same thing Petersons testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1 and the usual ratio is 1:1. So Peterson's performance was irrefutably enhanced whereas their is no evidence to suggest that Martinez wearing a knee brace for post surgery knee protection will add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means something with all the best will in the world Peterson can never claim. I have no grudge against Cotto. Maybe Cotto should wear a brace too if he thinks it will give him an advantage?
Saving Lamont Peterson is one thing, drugs in boxing is another | Sean Ingle | Sport | The Guardian
Peterson vs Khan Drug Testing Scandal: Time For Boxing to Take the Test - Bad Left Hook
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cyclone
If the old overrated f_ _ don't like it,he can move on and fight somebody else.
I find this slur to be incredibly offensive, insensitive, and inexcusable in this public forum.
I demand that you apologize, take ownership, and make restitution.
I have a delicate constitution, y'know...
So he's racist and homophobic. Not a surprise the 2 usually go hand in hand
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IamInuit
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Spicoli
That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.
I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may
add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.
You are right it is not the same thing Petersons testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1 and the usual ratio is 1:1. So Peterson's performance was irrefutably enhanced whereas their is no evidence to suggest that Martinez wearing a knee brace for post surgery knee protection will
add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means something with all the best will in the world Peterson can never claim. I have no grudge against Cotto. Maybe Cotto should wear a brace too if he thinks it will give him an advantage?
Saving Lamont Peterson is one thing, drugs in boxing is another | Sean Ingle | Sport | The Guardian
Peterson vs Khan Drug Testing Scandal: Time For Boxing to Take the Test - Bad Left Hook
Chavez jr wore one against Martinez and it did nothing for him. I dont see the difference. Martinez should tell the commission not to let Cotto wear his pink high knee socks. Stupid rule.
http://www.vivelohoy.com/wp-content/...09-872x580.jpg
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Does anyone remember a champion by the name of Robert Daniels? His mandatory Craig Banderowski if I spelled his name wrong forgive me but he had an artificial leg and he fought for the light heavyweight title or was it cruiser weight? It happened and now these assholes don't want the champ to wear a brace? When does the bullshit rest? The point is a rule should be made and not subject to the whims of mental midgets. If it was from Cotto or his camp, not that it means anything to them but you will have lost another fan. Can you imagine Craig having to turn his prostheses in because Daniels felt it would gie him an unfair advantage? Daniels just made another defense and faced a legitimate contender.
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That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.
How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage
Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.
I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.
I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may
add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.
You are right it is not the same thing Petersons testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1 and the usual ratio is 1:1. So Peterson's performance was irrefutably enhanced whereas their is no evidence to suggest that Martinez wearing a knee brace for post surgery knee protection will
add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means something with all the best will in the world Peterson can never claim. I have no grudge against Cotto. Maybe Cotto should wear a brace too if he thinks it will give him an advantage?
Saving Lamont Peterson is one thing, drugs in boxing is another | Sean Ingle | Sport | The Guardian
Peterson vs Khan Drug Testing Scandal: Time For Boxing to Take the Test - Bad Left Hook
Chavez jr wore one against Martinez and it did nothing for him. I dont see the difference. Martinez should tell the commission not to let Cotto wear his pink high knee socks. Stupid rule.
http://www.vivelohoy.com/wp-content/...09-872x580.jpg
That is not a brace. Show me the item Martinez cannot win w/o?
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Does anyone remember a champion by the name of Robert Daniels? His mandatory Craig Banderowski if I spelled his name wrong forgive me but he had an artificial and he fought for the light heavyweight title or was it cruiser weight? It happened and now these assholes don't want the champ to wear a brace? When does the bullshit rest? The point is a rule should be made and not subject to the whims of mental midgets. If it was from Cotto or his camp, not that it means anything to them but you will have lost another fan. Can you imagine Craig having to turn his prostheses in because Daniels felt it would gie him an unfair advantage? Daniels just made another defense and faced a legitimate contender.
Can you imagine being a professional, having your foot sheered to the bone, being told to retire and coming back a year later on a mass of plastic and rubber for a lower leg that made that title shot possible and you as a fighter more capable :p Its unfathomable and clearly illegal :-X. Gator passed away just last year. He wasn't the most talented maybe but maximized what he had. In many ways coming back like that did 3 times for his mental strength what it ever could be thought to do for him physically. Please. Fighters overcome adversity, its what they do and its why we respect them.
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IamInuit
Cotto haters need to at least try to be objective. What is Martinez doing defending his title using a knee brace? What next an arm brace because somebody has a shot elbow? Why should he be able to get leverage advantage through artificial means? This is ridiculous and if that injury is that bad then quit fighting.
Absolutely right. Imagine if Floyd Mayweather said his shoulders hurt from using his vaunted shoulder rolls and was allowed to use American football shoulder pads for his championship fights. The outrage would be endless. Now it's considered "unfair" by Sergio fans that he can't use a knee brace. If you're not in tip top condition to fight anymore, then retire.
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Cotto haters need to at least try to be objective. What is Martinez doing defending his title using a knee brace? What next an arm brace because somebody has a shot elbow? Why should he be able to get leverage advantage through artificial means? This is ridiculous and if that injury is that bad then quit fighting.
Absolutely right. Imagine if Floyd Mayweather said his shoulders hurt from using his vaunted shoulder rolls and was allowed to use American football shoulder pads for his championship fights. The outrage would be endless. Now it's considered "unfair" by Sergio fans that he can't use a knee brace. If you're not in tip top condition to fight anymore, then retire.
Damaged hands. Calzaghe retires. Damaged hands Floyd carries on. Concistency gentlemen.
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Yea, using Floyd as an example is a bit rich given his hand injections:p
Could a brace conceivably help anyone without a bad knee to begin with? I really don't know, but I do seem to remember Yuri Foreman wearing one, in his fight against Cotto, in New York:rolleyes:
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Yea, using Floyd as an example is a bit rich given his hand injections:p
Could a brace conceivably help anyone without a bad knee to begin with? I really don't know, but I do seem to remember Yuri Foreman wearing one, in his fight against Cotto, in New York:rolleyes:
This whole thing could be a simple case of lost in translation. What constitutes a brace. That pic of the thing Chavez is wearing is not a brace. I wore one of those when I played Volleyball. Another thing people ought to remember instead of shitting on Cotto is the fact that the NYSAC made the call not Cotto.
It may be convenient to just blame Cotto like he runs the commission but for lack of a better term its also just stupid. Hopefully they explain what the problem is.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
I have read that the NYSAC made this decision about not allowing fighting with knee braces in 2013.
It's something that Martinez and his handlers should have known about in advance of signing the fight.
So it's not about Sergio specifically...and it's his bad for not looking into whether his special needs were legal under NYSAC rules.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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Yea, using Floyd as an example is a bit rich given his hand injections:p
Could a brace conceivably help anyone without a bad knee to begin with? I really don't know, but I do seem to remember Yuri Foreman wearing one, in his fight against Cotto, in New York:rolleyes:
This whole thing could be a simple case of lost in translation. What constitutes a brace. That pic of the thing Chavez is wearing is not a brace. I wore one of those when I played Volleyball. Another thing people ought to remember instead of shitting on Cotto is the fact that the NYSAC made the call not Cotto.
It may be convenient to just blame Cotto like he runs the commission but for lack of a better term its also just stupid. Hopefully they explain what the problem is.
Right, and that's what I assume Martinez wanted to wear here? It's the kind of thing you see on all sorts of athletes. I just can't see how the commission could justify banning Martinez from wearing the same thing they allowed Yuri Foreman to wear, how is that even remotely justifiable? I don't think it's unlikely that Cottos camp may have leaned on them into ruling this way at all, and I don't dislike the guy, or even see that so much as laying blame myself. Some fighters absolutely are bigger than the state commissions in these instances, it's not like a universal body in a legitimate sport, this is boxing:p
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
Well it was sorted out. The NYSAC has reversed its ruling. It is just what I would call a tensioned knee pad and not what I would call a "brace"
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TUESDAY AFTERNOON UPDATE: BraceGate is a done deal, friends. The New York State Athletic Commission informed Team Martinez that the sleeves he wants to wear, to offer a bit of extra support to his knees, are A-OK with them. Thus, Sergio can have that peace of mind heading into his Saturday clash against Miguel Cotto at Madison Square Garden.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
Any knee support should be allowed. Ridiculous. Nigel Benn use to wear ankle supports!
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Cotto is the house fighter here. The NYSAC are doing everything they can to extend his career.
If Sergio wins comfortably on points how confident will he feel in the ring afterwards waiting for the decision?
I don't buy that in this case and I called Cotto on his stupid weight demand and name appearing first on the banner.Again, if that knee is still that fk'd up then Martinez should have retired. He does not have a special right to gain leverage through artificial means anymore then someone has to do steroids. What next an elbow brace for arm extension of full fake limb? A great play for a built in excuse though.
They've let fighters wear them in the past but they're not letting Martinez wear one. Res ipsa loquitur.
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Re: NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.
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Well it was sorted out. The NYSAC has reversed its ruling. It is just what I would call a tensioned knee pad and not what I would call a "brace"
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TUESDAY AFTERNOON UPDATE: BraceGate is a done deal, friends. The New York State Athletic Commission informed Team Martinez that the sleeves he wants to wear, to offer a bit of extra support to his knees, are A-OK with them. Thus, Sergio can have that peace of mind heading into his Saturday clash against Miguel Cotto at Madison Square Garden.
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Well that's good, a whole lot of much ado about nothing guess they came to. Does the NYSAC ever give specifics on judgment's and reversals btw? Did he actually have surgery on both knees. I just want that damn bell to ring already, lets hope for a definitive and conclusive shootout :jabbing: