He just has to prove it.
Geale should put up a good fight, but I don't think he will upset Golovkin.
Then GGG vs. Cotto.
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He just has to prove it.
Geale should put up a good fight, but I don't think he will upset Golovkin.
Then GGG vs. Cotto.
Cotto's next fight can only be against Alvarez or Golovkin
No chance it will be GGG. Floyd will come up to middle to fight Cotto. Its pretty obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I agree that ggg is the best middleweight right now. Cotto will not fight thy though. He will fight Alvarez for sure if Alvarez beats Lara and if not, he will get a huge payday to rematch Floyd. I do want to see him fight ggg though.
We all do. It's be very interesting to see if Cotto's class and own power could stop the GGG express.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Who knows maybe Geale will derail him....but I highly doubt it.
Golovkin may be the other best fighter in the division but who has he beaten thats as good as Martinez?
Cotto has one fight at midddle and already has a better resume at middle than Golovkin;D
ggg by murder if it happens im not a betting man but id bet the house on it
Again you are so focused on names. THat win means shit, Martinez was shot, Macklin, Barker, Murray all likely beat that Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
GGG will destroy Cotto, he is a beast. Cotto should maximise his opportunity that he rightly earned.
nah f that, thats why i wish martinez had gone out to a true middle cause now cotto gets to claim to be the lineal mw champ but he aint going to fight a single middleweight probably...pavlik should come out of retirement he;d have a shot me thinks but then again i am also like 15 drinks deep or something right now so wtf i know at this momentQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
GGG v Cotto would be a fight I would like to see, Cotto does not have a hope in hell a good pay
day for both, Cotto would be lucky to go 3 rounds the beast from the east will eat him up.;)
He won the title, worse fighters have had the title, do not begrudge him.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminnah f that, thats why i wish martinez had gone out to a true middle cause now cotto gets to claim to be the lineal mw champ but he aint going to fight a single middleweight probably...pavlik should come out of retirement he;d have a shot me thinks but then again i am also like 15 drinks deep or something right now so wtf i know at this momentQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
oh cotto is a great fighter as much as i dislike him, but he is not a great middleweight fighter and doubt he fights a top five middle actually if he does he will get all the props everQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe won the title, worse fighters have had the title, do not begrudge him.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminnah f that, thats why i wish martinez had gone out to a true middle cause now cotto gets to claim to be the lineal mw champ but he aint going to fight a single middleweight probably...pavlik should come out of retirement he;d have a shot me thinks but then again i am also like 15 drinks deep or something right now so wtf i know at this momentQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by Master
"GGG" struggled with his last opponent who was a no name journeyman. Cotto does better than that fighter against Golovkin and thats hardly "destroying".
I wouldnt call it a destruction but it was certainly closer to a destruction then a struggle. He lost one round on 2 of the scorecards and won all of them on the other. He knocked down Adama in the 1st, 6th and 7th and barely looked like he went out of 1st gear (you could argue he has no more gears but I dont believe that).Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
"GGG" struggled with his last opponent who was a no name journeyman. Cotto does better than that fighter against Golovkin and thats hardly "destroying".
Yes the fact that Martinez beat them all comfortably means that they would now suddenly be better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAgain you are so focused on names. THat win means shit, Martinez was shot, Macklin, Barker, Murray all likely beat that Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Get real!
Cotto has been genuine world class for about 10 years.
GGG is too much for Cotto. The Martinez win was impressive, but Sergio doesn't hit like GGG and isn't as physically imposing/strong. Canelo and GGG are bad style match ups for Cotto in my opinion. I would rather see Miguel fight a Floyd rematch or PAC rematch at this point.
Martinez is a southpaw. Hes a more difficult opponent than Golovkin and Alvarez who both shut up shop when pressured.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Based on what? I still do not see what all the fuss is about because who has this guy really beaten? I would rather see GGG vs Quillin for a legit shot at the champ.
Not because they have got better, because Martinez has gotten a lot worse. Are you so retarded you cant see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYes the fact that Martinez beat them all comfortably means that they would now suddenly be better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAgain you are so focused on names. THat win means shit, Martinez was shot, Macklin, Barker, Murray all likely beat that Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Get real!
Cotto has been genuine world class for about 10 years.
GG is not a beast....he hasn't done anything beastly in his 8 years as a pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don't think the Martinez we saw last night is more difficult than Golovkin or Canelo. Sergio didn't make any excuses, but he definitely suffered from limited mobility, which is the trait he relied on the most. That fight would have gone much differently had Sergio been at full capacity with his knee. Cotto is too small and fragile for 160 and will always have a difficult time with mobile, slick boxers (Trout, Floyd, Shane when he boxed...etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMartinez is a southpaw. Hes a more difficult opponent than Golovkin and Alvarez who both shut up shop when pressured.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
The biggest issue for Cotto at 160 is his durability and cardio vs. large, pressure fighters (why I think GGG kills him). In his fights vs. Clottey, Margarito and even Pac Man the pressure and pace had him wilting in the later rounds. I like Cotto, think he is a great fighter and true warrior, but I understand his size and style limitations. His best options in my opinion are to rematch Floyd or Manny (or both if he wins them) or take on Canelo at 154 (I think it will be a tough match up but winnable for Cotto). I would avoid GGG at all costs and will be surprised if Freddy and Arum let that particular fight happen.
Why get mad and call names behind the safety of your computer?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot because they have got better, because Martinez has gotten a lot worse. Are you so retarded you cant see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYes the fact that Martinez beat them all comfortably means that they would now suddenly be better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAgain you are so focused on names. THat win means shit, Martinez was shot, Macklin, Barker, Murray all likely beat that Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Get real!
Cotto has been genuine world class for about 10 years.
Martinez was never all that...calm down.
Canelo has no foreward gear...he's stuck in reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
GG may or may not be too much for Cotto....I know one thing....Cotto would CRUISE through GG's resume.
GG got touched up by slow-motion Adama...a guy like that couldn't hit Cotto with rice at a wedding.
I feel like it is about style match ups, and I think GGG has that punch and relentless pressure that will mentally fatigue Cotto and exhaust him. GGG is a special fighter, and I feel like he will look spectacular vs. Cotto because he is so much larger and stronger. I agree with you that Canelo is beatable for Cotto, but that is still a dangerous fight for Miguel. If I was advising Cotto I would have him fight Canelo next and then Pac followed by Floyd (assuming he wins the first two). At this point in time all of those fights are great/historic match ups and winnable fights for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneCanelo has no foreward gear...he's stuck in reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
GG may or may not be too much for Cotto....I know one thing....Cotto would CRUISE through GG's resume.
GG got touched up by slow-motion Adama...a guy like that couldn't hit Cotto with rice at a wedding.
Relentless pressure against who??Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI feel like it is about style match ups, and I think GGG has that punch and relentless pressure that will mentally fatigue Cotto and exhaust him. GGG is a special fighter, and I feel like he will look spectacular vs. Cotto because he is so much larger and stronger. I agree with you that Canelo is beatable for Cotto, but that is still a dangerous fight for Miguel. If I was advising Cotto I would have him fight Canelo next and then Pac followed by Floyd (assuming he wins the first two). At this point in time all of those fights are great/historic match ups and winnable fights for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneCanelo has no foreward gear...he's stuck in reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
GG may or may not be too much for Cotto....I know one thing....Cotto would CRUISE through GG's resume.
GG got touched up by slow-motion Adama...a guy like that couldn't hit Cotto with rice at a wedding.
Hell
I got relentless pressure against the sorry motherfuckers on his resume.
GG has 300 amateur fights and is 32 year old 8 year pro
HE'S
ON
BORROWED
LEGS
Those are too many amateur fights..he's starting to show the signs already....look how he backs out with his hands down....he doesn't bring his punches back...and he appears to be weak to the body.
He was dropped hard in sparring by a body shot from trial horse Tyrell Hendrix.
A slow basic fighter brought in to make him look good....Adama....was able to walk GG into CLEAN straight rights and hurt him to the body a couple times.
There is a reason he is matched so lightly.
Curtis Stevens and Macklin were solid fighters and GGG destroyed them. I predict he does the same to Cotto, but I guess only time will tell. It seems that since you get so upset over the discussion that deep down you feel the same. It's the only reason why you would take this type of discussion so personally.
He's supposed to destroy solid fighters.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Cotto destroys solid fighters all the time.
I'm not the one getting upset.
I'm just not as easilly impressed as you.
Special fighters do special things.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI feel like it is about style match ups, and I think GGG has that punch and relentless pressure that will mentally fatigue Cotto and exhaust him. GGG is a special fighter, and I feel like he will look spectacular vs. Cotto because he is so much larger and stronger. I agree with you that Canelo is beatable for Cotto, but that is still a dangerous fight for Miguel. If I was advising Cotto I would have him fight Canelo next and then Pac followed by Floyd (assuming he wins the first two). At this point in time all of those fights are great/historic match ups and winnable fights for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneCanelo has no foreward gear...he's stuck in reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
GG may or may not be too much for Cotto....I know one thing....Cotto would CRUISE through GG's resume.
GG got touched up by slow-motion Adama...a guy like that couldn't hit Cotto with rice at a wedding.
Special fighters don't pull back will their hands down.
Special fighters bring their punches straight back.
GGG has a very underrated defense and parries punches very well. This allows him to maintain constant pressure while avoiding unnecessary punishment and remaining in position to counter punch. Cotto will likely use movement to offset the pressure, and his jab will be effective, but GGG has that punch that makes guys panic and expend nervous energy and wasted movement. Cotto hasn't ever been the most durable guy, and if Manny could hurt him at 147 then GGG will be even more effective at 160. Guess we just look at both fighters and their ability/style differently...
All GGG has to do to impress you is cover jis skin in charcoalQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneHe's supposed to destroy solid fighters.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Cotto destroys solid fighters all the time.
I'm not the one getting upset.
I'm just not as easilly impressed as you.
Curtis Steves is the type of fighter that Frank Warren would have brought over as an opponent for an upcoming middle to build his record. Hes not a solid fighter that a someone whos world champ could brag about beating. Jesse Brinkley beat Stevens for fuck sake;D
Golovkin will get found out and hopefully its against Cotto.;)
Warren would not let his fighters near a puncher like Stevens. He'd get a South American unbeaten bum who's record has clearly been fabricatedQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
You'd hate his guts if he did that.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAll GGG has to do to impress you is cover jis skin in charcoalQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneHe's supposed to destroy solid fighters.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Cotto destroys solid fighters all the time.
I'm not the one getting upset.
I'm just not as easilly impressed as you.
A Black fighter with a resume as shitty as GG's would get nothing but scorn from you.
You're following the wrong sport if you got something agaisnt Black people...best take your weak ass over the NASCAR forum.
Fact is, Stevens is nothing worth mentioning when trying to talk up Golovkins "achievements".Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWarren would not let his fighters near a puncher like Stevens. He'd get a South American unbeaten bum who's record has clearly been fabricatedQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Golovkin would struggle being stalked by Cotto. Cotto has shown he has power at middle.
With over 300 amateur fights and 8 years as a pro.......GG is on borrowed legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFact is, Stevens is nothing worth mentioning when trying to talk up Golovkins "achievements".Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWarren would not let his fighters near a puncher like Stevens. He'd get a South American unbeaten bum who's record has clearly been fabricatedQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Golovkin would struggle being stalked by Cotto. Cotto has shown he has power at middle.
You can see the signs already.
I'm gonna' be lmao when he gets planted on that thing he calls a face.
I was referencing your gay fetish for coal mine workers, jeesh why has everything got to be about race with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneYou'd hate his guts if he did that.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAll GGG has to do to impress you is cover jis skin in charcoalQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneHe's supposed to destroy solid fighters.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Cotto destroys solid fighters all the time.
I'm not the one getting upset.
I'm just not as easilly impressed as you.
A Black fighter with a resume as shitty as GG's would get nothing but scorn from you.
You're following the wrong sport if you got something agaisnt Black people...best take your weak ass over the NASCAR forum.
Peter Quillin. Nuff said!!!
Quillan ain't shit...that makes him right at home in the MW division.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja