Who takes it?
Cotto is Ring middleweight champion, Golovkin is ranked #1.
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Who takes it?
Cotto is Ring middleweight champion, Golovkin is ranked #1.
My money is on GGG. I would feel comfortable betting about 3 grand for him to win by late stoppage, assuming I could get pick em or better odds. Can't see Cotto lasting under the pressure n with GGG's punch.
That being said, if Cotto could use the jab effectively n smart movement he could score the upset. Even though he hurt Sergio, I don't think Cotto will have the strength and power to have serious effects on big, strong middleweights like GGG. He should either rematch Floyd for the belt or drop it and go back down. Nothing good for him staying at 160.
Has Golovkin fought anyone as dangerous and genuine world class as Cotto yet?
I didnt take a great deal of notice before last nights fight but I'm betting Cotto was considered to be getting a battering from the bigger stronger Martinez?
GGG. though not easily.
Golovkin. Styles and just a bit of fans taking a deep breath. Great win last night, but absolutely different style and approach. Golovkin does a better Cotto than Cotto does. Foundation and hooks, stubby educated jab and body shots.
Again, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
Oh no, Cotto has definitely run at a higher level longer. I've scrutinized him and he needs to be. For me its just comes down to style and think he would be able to implement them on Cotto. Cotto was still catching jabs from Martinez and flat footed today. Bad combination with a fresher, harder hitting Golovkin I think. Whatever purpose the Geale fight serves, if anything it should see him against one of the better movers he has faced. He's going to have to shuffle his feet faster to track him down and might be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
I'd rather tell people I got caught with jabs from Sergio than Adama...he had GG's head flying back like a PEZ dispensor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliOh no, Cotto has definitely run at a higher level longer. I've scrutinized him and he needs to be. For me its just comes down to style and think he would be able to implement them on Cotto. Cotto was still catching jabs from Martinez and flat footed today. Bad combination with a fresher, harder hitting Golovkin I think. Whatever purpose the Geale fight serves, if anything it should see him against one of the better movers he has faced. He's going to have to shuffle his feet faster to track him down and might be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
Slow as Adama is,he was able to set-up GG and walk him into CLEAN right hands.
Adama couldn't hit Cotto with rice at a wedding.
Cotto beat GGG NO CHANCE, GGG was a outstanding amateur and is way to much, for any
middle weight out there.
Cotto is not a proper middle weight, lets remember he has lost in lower weight divisions,
he's to small for GGG I never kid myself, this ends only one way Cotto being KO.;)
GGG stopped Adama, right? From some of the comments u would think it was life and death vice the systematic break down it was.
Honestly think that had more to do with Golovkin complacency and treating it like a low level sparring session than it does his defense. He never lost control. Fielding a few jabs from a Adama doesn't matter when you've beat someone better before and are set to do so after.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI'd rather tell people I got caught with jabs from Sergio than Adama...he had GG's head flying back like a PEZ dispensor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliOh no, Cotto has definitely run at a higher level longer. I've scrutinized him and he needs to be. For me its just comes down to style and think he would be able to implement them on Cotto. Cotto was still catching jabs from Martinez and flat footed today. Bad combination with a fresher, harder hitting Golovkin I think. Whatever purpose the Geale fight serves, if anything it should see him against one of the better movers he has faced. He's going to have to shuffle his feet faster to track him down and might be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
Slow as Adama is,he was able to set-up GG and walk him into CLEAN right hands.
Adama couldn't hit Cotto with rice at a wedding.
Who has Cotto beat? Apart from an old Martinez, which really means shit? He lost to Trout, Mayweather and Pac Man. His best win is again Mosely and thats back in 2007. Since that he aint done anything big. Yes hes beaten good fighters but he loses when he steps up. Nothing he has done suggests he will beat Golovkin. Smaller men arent gonna cause GGG any problems particularly with his style. But dont worry its another fighter who will avoid GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
That's really extreme, understand the contrary side of it but there's no way GGG has proven himself the way Cotto has just yet, come on. I totally agree that would be an insane fight for Cotto to take, or that Golovkin would have beaten the crap out of Martinez for probably the last few years as well, but give some credit. Miguel has been a joy to watch forever, and he has a bunch of great wins and performances. All of his losses barring Trout are still a credit to him really, Golovkin just hasn't mixed it on that level yet and probably never will. He'd have to fight Ward to take anywhere near the equivalent risk of fighting Floyd and Manny in their primes! Cotto is a quadruple OG without question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWho has Cotto beat? Apart from an old Martinez, which really means shit? He lost to Trout, Mayweather and Pac Man. His best win is again Mosely and thats back in 2007. Since that he aint done anything big. Yes hes beaten good fighters but he loses when he steps up. Nothing he has done suggests he will beat Golovkin. Smaller men arent gonna cause GGG any problems particularly with his style. But dont worry its another fighter who will avoid GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
This fight won't happen, because Cotto won't take it.
I don't think Cotto has any real desire to me a middleweight. Him and Roach saw an opportunity to fight a big named, highly respected champion who had sharply declined for years prior and was ripe for the picking, and now they're either going to go back down to 154 and chase a fight with Canelo, or possibly use the MW championship as bate to lure Floyd into a rematch at a weird catch weight for the middleweight title, so Floyd can say he was the MW champ.
I guarantee you all Cotto has absolutely no desire to stay at MW. He's not big enough to hang at that weight. He was hardly big enough for 154.
I know people love Cotto but they are getting carried away and not seeing the Sergio win for what it really was.
He has proven himself. He is an elite fighter. But his rec of being a 4 weight world champ is such BS. He manages to win his 1st title at Light Welter against Cesar Bazan for a vacant title and defends it against plenty of average fighters (Paulie is probably the best of them), then at Welter he gets a shot against Quintana another for another vacant title and defends against Judah and Mosely which imo are his best wins. After his loss to Margarito he gets yet another shot for a vacant title against Michael Jennings, again, another ordinary fighter. He manages is to scrape a decision against Clottey, who is a good, but limited, and you would expect a top fighter to beat him pretty comfortably, before getting destroyed by Pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's really extreme, understand the contrary side of it but there's no way GGG has proven himself the way Cotto has just yet, come on. I totally agree that would be an insane fight for Cotto to take, or that Golovkin would have beaten the crap out of Martinez for probably the last few years as well, but give some credit. Miguel has been a joy to watch forever, and he has a bunch of great wins and performances. All of his losses barring Trout are still a credit to him really, Golovkin just hasn't mixed it on that level yet and probably never will. He'd have to fight Ward to take anywhere near the equivalent risk of fighting Floyd and Manny in their primes! Cotto is a quadruple OG without question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWho has Cotto beat? Apart from an old Martinez, which really means shit? He lost to Trout, Mayweather and Pac Man. His best win is again Mosely and thats back in 2007. Since that he aint done anything big. Yes hes beaten good fighters but he loses when he steps up. Nothing he has done suggests he will beat Golovkin. Smaller men arent gonna cause GGG any problems particularly with his style. But dont worry its another fighter who will avoid GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
He then straight away gets a shot at Foreman for his LMW title, another below par champ and defends against past it Mayorga and Margarito before getting beating soundly by Floyd. Then he gets another shot at a title against a decent fighter (but again limited) versus Trout who he was expected to beat easily and lost. He then gets a comeback fight against an ok fighter in Rodriguez which earns him a MW title shot where he gets to dictate terms and is allowed to make a fight for a MW strap at catchweight? Its complete BS.
GGG officially won his title against a poor LMW in Ouma but really won it when he won the interim strap in Panama against a poor fighter in Nunez. Sturm at this point got elevated to super champ and completely ducked GGG and chose to fight Macklin, Murray, and Geale instead (and got little to no criticism for fighting these fighters). Golovkin has since defended his title against poor top tier fighters but since "top tier fighters" at MW wont fight him what is he to do. He gets a good test in Geale and people call it poor opposition?
The double standards are shocking. Ive never tried to claim GGGs opposition are better then they are but they do seem to be the best he can get at MW. He was caught to easily at times against Stevens and Adama managed to land about 3 right hands in the fight and this makes him a fraud? His power is astonishing, his footwork is excellent and his jab is underrated. Cotto hasnt been able to beat a top guy in his division since 2007, I dont see why hed be able to do it now at a heavier weight.
Good fight. This would be a test on GGG's power- is it really legitimate power or is it just that he was fighting guys with no heart and weak chins?
Macklin has an ok chin and certainly doesnt lack heart. THe same is definitely true for Ishida and Rosado and likely true for Stevens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
GGG would dismantle Cotto and quite easily. He is too sharp and throws too many for Cotto. He is also much larger. I see Cotto running back to 154 with his greatest achievement grabbed.
There's a big difference between fighting an invalid and fighting GGG. I can't see Cotto, Alvarez, Mayweather or even Quillin fighting him. Risk/reward. The first three of those names can all make too much money fighting each other compared to the money in a Golovkin fight. Why get in the ring against prime GGG for a fraction of the money?
I give Cotto credit he is a very good fighter, and I like watching him fight but to Fight GGG wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's really extreme, understand the contrary side of it but there's no way GGG has proven himself the way Cotto has just yet, come on. I totally agree that would be an insane fight for Cotto to take, or that Golovkin would have beaten the crap out of Martinez for probably the last few years as well, but give some credit. Miguel has been a joy to watch forever, and he has a bunch of great wins and performances. All of his losses barring Trout are still a credit to him really, Golovkin just hasn't mixed it on that level yet and probably never will. He'd have to fight Ward to take anywhere near the equivalent risk of fighting Floyd and Manny in their primes! Cotto is a quadruple OG without question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWho has Cotto beat? Apart from an old Martinez, which really means shit? He lost to Trout, Mayweather and Pac Man. His best win is again Mosely and thats back in 2007. Since that he aint done anything big. Yes hes beaten good fighters but he loses when he steps up. Nothing he has done suggests he will beat Golovkin. Smaller men arent gonna cause GGG any problems particularly with his style. But dont worry its another fighter who will avoid GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
be madness, unless it's was for a lot of money then the good hiding he receives would be
worth it. Cotto is a 4 weight World Champion, and that is a rare thing but hand on heart he is
not a middle weight is he.! Golovkin seems to just beat up his opponents with ease, and I think
he is a good ring technician, he does no expend a lot of energy he cut the ring off well, and
his punch power is second to none, I like him a lot.:)
Cotto may have speed and experience over Golovkin but GGG would be too big, strong and good for Cotto who is a great fighter but just too small for these guys.
It was Kelson Pinto. Not Cesar BazanQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHe has proven himself. He is an elite fighter. But his rec of being a 4 weight world champ is such BS. He manages to win his 1st title at Light Welter against Cesar Bazan for a vacant title and defends it against plenty of average fighters (Paulie is probably the best of them), then at Welter he gets a shot against Quintana another for another vacant title and defends against Judah and Mosely which imo are his best wins. After his loss to Margarito he gets yet another shot for a vacant title against Michael Jennings, again, another ordinary fighter. He manages is to scrape a decision against Clottey, who is a good, but limited, and you would expect a top fighter to beat him pretty comfortably, before getting destroyed by Pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's really extreme, understand the contrary side of it but there's no way GGG has proven himself the way Cotto has just yet, come on. I totally agree that would be an insane fight for Cotto to take, or that Golovkin would have beaten the crap out of Martinez for probably the last few years as well, but give some credit. Miguel has been a joy to watch forever, and he has a bunch of great wins and performances. All of his losses barring Trout are still a credit to him really, Golovkin just hasn't mixed it on that level yet and probably never will. He'd have to fight Ward to take anywhere near the equivalent risk of fighting Floyd and Manny in their primes! Cotto is a quadruple OG without question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWho has Cotto beat? Apart from an old Martinez, which really means shit? He lost to Trout, Mayweather and Pac Man. His best win is again Mosely and thats back in 2007. Since that he aint done anything big. Yes hes beaten good fighters but he loses when he steps up. Nothing he has done suggests he will beat Golovkin. Smaller men arent gonna cause GGG any problems particularly with his style. But dont worry its another fighter who will avoid GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAgain, against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Cotto has been succeeding against multiple world champions in multiple weights. He's proven.
He then straight away gets a shot at Foreman for his LMW title, another below par champ and defends against past it Mayorga and Margarito before getting beating soundly by Floyd. Then he gets another shot at a title against a decent fighter (but again limited) versus Trout who he was expected to beat easily and lost. He then gets a comeback fight against an ok fighter in Rodriguez which earns him a MW title shot where he gets to dictate terms and is allowed to make a fight for a MW strap at catchweight? Its complete BS.
GGG officially won his title against a poor LMW in Ouma but really won it when he won the interim strap in Panama against a poor fighter in Nunez. Sturm at this point got elevated to super champ and completely ducked GGG and chose to fight Macklin, Murray, and Geale instead (and got little to no criticism for fighting these fighters). Golovkin has since defended his title against poor top tier fighters but since "top tier fighters" at MW wont fight him what is he to do. He gets a good test in Geale and people call it poor opposition?
The double standards are shocking. Ive never tried to claim GGGs opposition are better then they are but they do seem to be the best he can get at MW. He was caught to easily at times against Stevens and Adama managed to land about 3 right hands in the fight and this makes him a fraud? His power is astonishing, his footwork is excellent and his jab is underrated. Cotto hasnt been able to beat a top guy in his division since 2007, I dont see why hed be able to do it now at a heavier weight.
Incredible how a win over a completely shot fighter has people believing utter non sense. Roach and Cotto will not be fighting at 160 again...certainly not against a legitimate threat like GGG. They smartly picked the right guy at the right time for Cotto to win another belt. The fight that would make the most sense would be Canelo if he was to get past Lara. That fight would generate A LOT of money....so the reward would be worth the risk. Even if that fight was to be made...i am almost certain it would be at a catch weight.
Or Cotto force Floyd to fight him at MSG at middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Cotto can't force Mayweather to do anything. Floyd will force Cotto to do whatever he wants he if decides in another fight with himQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr Cotto force Floyd to fight him at MSG at middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
That just tells you how insane the Ring is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Cotto is not going to make some last stand defending the middleweight title. He's going to cash out. He's not fighting 3G. Oscar has already offered the olive branch to BoB and both Cotto and Roach have deferred Cotto's future to Arum live and on air. The WBC is licking its chops at the idea of Alvarez/Cotto and so is Arum and Oscar. Lara will have to shoot Alvarez to get the decision.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
It would have to be fatal. If he just wounds him.... Alvarez still gets the nod.
How is Cotto going to force Mayweather to do anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr Cotto force Floyd to fight him at MSG at middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
You know what else is incredible..Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
A 32 y/o 8 year pro with Ouma as his best win... has a legion of jockriders on his tiny balls....that is incredible.
Being middleweight champion and a chance to be a legend in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneHow is Cotto going to force Mayweather to do anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOr Cotto force Floyd to fight him at MSG at middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Give it a rest man. Roach and Cotto will avoid GGG like the plague...regardless of what you might think of his resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneYou know what else is incredible..Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
A 32 y/o 8 year pro with Ouma as his best win... has a legion of jockriders on his tiny balls....that is incredible.
The same way GG will avoid Andre Ward like the plague.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinGive it a rest man. Roach and Cotto will avoid GGG like the plague...regardless of what you might think of his resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneYou know what else is incredible..Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
A 32 y/o 8 year pro with Ouma as his best win... has a legion of jockriders on his tiny balls....that is incredible.
He told Ward's camp he was staying at 160 but was ready to fight Jr at 168.;D
You'd think a guy his age would be ready to take some risks and challenge himself.
Cotto will want the Mayweather fight next. Even if he loses to Mayweather the Alvarez fight is still a huge PPV attraction. They both lost to Mayweather but Cotto has massive PPVability due to his following and winning the lineal 160 belt, Alvarez is a huge Mexican star and it's Mexico against Puerto Rico. Huge payday for both guys so Cotto will want Floyd then Alvarez. Floyd will want another division to add to his CV.
Yes, Cotto is using Alvarez as his backup retirement fight in case he lost this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing