Somebody show me when Sergios knee fell apart

The guy was on his friggin bike the entire fight. That is quite a feat for a one legged man. Of course it was not the same Sergio from 3 years ago. Neither was it the same Cotto. Not everyone is Juan Marquez. He simply never recovered from round 1.

No way does a guy use his legs like he did if he had a bad knee. He was so much bigger, stronger, faster that he could have just stood in the pocket right? Anyway if someone would be so kind to point out the round and time when he lost the limb?

FF TO 14 min for the ending of the chatter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3PE_6ERTDI

When he went under the knife ???

Did Martinez make excuses?

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No just his fans that said Cotto was more shot then he was until after he got stopped. After that he was a cripple. I enclosed the post fight comments.

When he went under the knife is not an answer. My brother got a new hip and its better then the old one. People have been saying his knee was gone or they cant believe how bad he looked. He's been on the decline since Barker and Cotto has since Margarito. Cotto put in a masterful performance and all people can do is say how shot Sergio was.

Video: Cotto-Martinez Full Post Fight Press Conference - Boxing News

I think Martinez is trying to be honourable and not take anything away from Cotto. That is not to say that the state of Sergio's knees were the only reason Cotto was able to hurt him and then keep him off balance all night, but it is quite obvious that they were a big factor in the fight. It's not like people are all exclusive fans of one fighter over another either. Martinez has been a credit to the sport but we all saw that he was in serious decline before last night. I hold my hands up and admit that I thought as soon as Cotto decided to trade with Martinez then he would pay the price, and I was clearly wrong, but that does not mean tha I can ignore what my own eyes told me when watching the Argentinians clearly compromised movement. It is like the people who dismiss Golovkin purely on his record without acknowledging how he goes about his work and what they see in front of their eyes. Congratulations to Cotto. We will not know how he is going to fare as a middleweight until he faces somebody at that weight now that he is the man, but I would not bet against him unless he chooses to jump in the deep end with GGG.

And yes I am a little pissed, because Golovkin did not get the chance to fight the man, and he may well now have to wait another hundred years to prove his ability to tie up everything in this weight class.

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I think Martinez is trying to be honourable and not take anything away from Cotto. That is not to say that the state of Sergio's knees were the only reason Cotto was able to hurt him and then keep him off balance all night, but it is quite obvious that they were a big factor in the fight. It's not like people are all exclusive fans of one fighter over another either. Martinez has been a credit to the sport but we all saw that he was in serious decline before last night. I hold my hands up and admit that I thought as soon as Cotto decided to trade with Martinez then he would pay the price, and I was clearly wrong, but that does not mean tha I can ignore what my own eyes told me when watching the Argentinians clearly compromised movement. It is like the people who dismiss Golovkin purely on his record without acknowledging how he goes about his work and what they see in front of their eyes. Congratulations to Cotto. We will not know how he is going to fare as a middleweight until he faces somebody at that weight now that he is the man, but I would not bet against him unless he chooses to jump in the deep end with GGG.

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Fair enough. Good points

It's boxing isn't it ? the best rarely meet the best at both of their primes and you are right to remind everyone that Cotto is hardly a spring chicken himself. I would have loved to have seen Cotto fight Hatton at light-Welterweight and I think he may well have beaten Ricky but what a hell of a fight that would have been.

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When he went under the knife is not an answer. My brother got a new hip and its better then the old one. People have been saying his knee was gone or they cant believe how bad he looked. He's been on the decline since Barker and Cotto has since Margarito. Cotto put in a masterful performance and all people can do is say how shot Sergio was.

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I know and agree, drives me fookin nuts. I knew..we all knew prior SX...Sergio had bad sticks but I still picked him to torch Cotto based largely on awkward shots and cutting Cotto up. My foot is still in my mouth and that's on me. Both guys were on decline and people who slight Cotto equally slight Martinez. He knew what he was getting into, its a big boy sport and Cotto rose to a higher occasion two fights removed from talking retirement etc. He earned it, and Martinez has earned to be remembered for more than a guy needing excuses or keyboard crutches. Sad finale that one. The good ones don't often go out clean.

I was very critical of not only his legs but how he used them. I felt terrible after the fight because it probably came off dismissive of Cotto when that certainly wasn't my intention.

Here is what my eyes thought they saw.
Not a knee issue as much as a leg strength issue and how he moved not his ability to move. First, one foot was always in the air. Big step left with his lead leg, he's not in a good punching position while it is up or turned as it put him. Then big step sideways with his train foot, again he can't really punch with that foot in the air. Once he plants it down he is sturdy but he then moved his lead leg again. Constantly with no base under him. His balance was shook from early but some of that can be compensated by pure leg strength. And awkward fighters can generate power without having their legs under them from their legs. That's what makes them awkward. Being able to get power when you don't expect. But I saw about five times(not counting when he was stunned) where he went to make a simple movement and he sort of tripped because it didn't look like he had the strength in his legs to compensate for his movement.

I fully apologize if it came off I was dismissing what Cotto had done. That certainly wasn't my intention. I just didn't see leg strength from Sergio, I commented on how pencil thin his legs were at the weigh in. I thought they'd use the 14 months to build them up to stabilize the knee. I didn't see leg strength at the weigh in and I didn't see a solid base in the fight. Full props to Cotto for beating the hell out of him. And I use what I say about Sergios legs as no excuse for how wildly wrong I was about the fight. What happened happened I was just flat wrong. Probably the most wrong I've been since I under estimated a young Andre Ward. This one will stick with me for the shot to my ego. But it's awesome that Cotto got to put on such a show. Bariquas rejoice!

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The guy was on his friggin bike the entire fight. That is quite a feat for a one legged man. Of course it was not the same Sergio from 3 years ago. Neither was it the same Cotto. Not everyone is Juan Marquez. He simply never recovered from round 1.

No way does a guy use his legs like he did if he had a bad knee. He was so much bigger, stronger, faster that he could have just stood in the pocket right? Anyway if someone would be so kind to point out the round and time when he lost the limb?

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Cotto's punches made his knees go out.;D

Ass-whippings tend to do that.

Not once did I see Sergio buckle in pain or limping.

If GG did that to Sergio you'd hear no talk about knees...age..inactivity or any of that shit.


Martinez was always there for those shots...Cotto did his homework and followed his gameplan..that's boxing.

I like both guys but Cotts left hook has return with a lot of bad intention. Cottos left hooks won the fight and not Martinez knees, thats bs.

Lots of good, logical, intelligent, objective minds on this forum. We all know who they are. Then there's the haters. It should be difficult for me to be objective. It was our local hero who did the dismantling last night. But I'm a Sergio fan also. I've always admired Sergio's career and his class. Let's just say that both Sergio and Miguel have more class in their little toe than scumbags like Cesar Chavez Jr. have in their entire being. Which is why it's easier to root for them than for Junior, who has made a living sponging off his father's name. But I'm getting off track.


It's obvious to me that Martinez isn't what he once was. But he prepared very hard for this fight. By his own accounts, and his corner's, he was more physically ready for this fight than for the Murray fight, for which he admittedly did not give himself enough time to heal from his leg issues. There were no excuses given before the Cotto fight..... so why bring them out now after the fight?? Had Cotto been soundly beaten, the haters would've been crowing about how Cotto should have never been in the same ring with a proven middleweight champion and natural 160-pounder.


I wanted Cotto to win, but I feared it would be Martinez, due to the size difference, Sergio's handspeed (Cotto showed some pretty good hand speed of his own last night), the fact that Sergio is a southpaw, and the fact that Sergio had been in the ring with some pretty good (and big) middleweights.


Cotto came prepared. And he came out like gangbusters... going on the offensive early and whacking Martinez with every punch in his arsenal. Sergio didn't think Cotto could hurt him, but found out the hard way that Cotto's own punching power was being overlooked.


It was a great fight... I'm happy... and Cotto has done a lot toward cementing his legacy. Martinez's own legacy is sealed, IMO, as he's had a wonderful career by his own rights. It might be time to hang up the gloves, though.


And in answer to IamInuit's thread question: Maybe at some point you could tell the leg wasn't the same. But it wasn't before Cotto had taken him apart in the very first round. No excuses were offered by Sergio. He knew he had gotten hit a lot harder than he figured he would get hit.

Martinez is lucky he wasn't in there with a hard-punching natural MW like GGG or Quillin.

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And in answer to IamInuit's thread question: Maybe at some point you could tell the leg wasn't the same. But it wasn't before Cotto had taken him apart in the very first round. No excuses were offered by Sergio. He knew he had gotten hit a lot harder than he figured he would get hit.

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You see I have no issues with people saying he had a bad knee. FFS I said the same thing prior to the fight but anyone who thinks that is the reason he lost the fight is a blithering idiot and most likely never watched the fight and I don't relish saying such things.

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“I got hit with the punch and I was cold and I never recovered after that,” Martinez admitted. “I tried to do my best and I want to apologize to the Argentine fans, and I want to thank all of the Puerto Rican fans for coming out.

“You've got to know when to win and you've got to know when to lose and I give all congratulations to Miguel Cotto.”

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NOW if that injury to his knee was the cause then why is it not front page news with doctors reports, xrays and the whole nine yards? Pride? How is pride injured by a legit injury? I suppose he could have injured it again and we will see him in a cast next week but that most likely happened in rd 8.

“The one thing he wanted me to tell all of you is that there were no excuses,” said Martinez’s promoter, Lou DiBella. “There was no problem with his knees. There was no problem with his hand. That he got caught in the first round by a great puncher, Miguel Cotto. He never recovered from that punch. … He was dizzy, basically, throughout the fight.

Team Martinez Has No Excuses, Just Credit For Cotto Loss - Boxing News

Well done Cotto , and Martinez showed real class in losing , a shot in the arm for boxing for sure.
I think Cotto will lose to Floyd or GGG however let him enjoy this , he deserves it.

It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

Sergio was never all that.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

Sergio was never all that.

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Sergio was not in he's Prime in 2000 when he fight Antonio in he's 14th fight. And he didn't get KTFO it was a TKO stoppage. You need to learn your boxing.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

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Prime Sergio was 2000? Three years into his career? Come on dude, don't pollute the thread with stupid.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

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Prime Sergio was 2000? Three years into his career? Come on dude, don't pollute the thread with stupid.

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I actually kind of agree


I dunno about his prime being in 2000 but I don't think he was the lb4lb great that was being suggested


he was a very good champ yes


but during the period everyone had him as lb4lb top 3 his best wins were pavlik and Williams? both of who were second attempts? is that right?


I think boxing fans put fighters down too often but I don't think Sergio deserved the lofty status he had

Well Sergio couldn't get fights for most of his career while he was in his physical prime because he was a slick southpaw mover/counter puncher. When he finally started getting shots, he got robbed twice in a row vs Cintron and Williams, and went on a tear and whipped the undisputed #1 MW in Pavlik, which is Pavlik's only loss at MW.

Now I agree that Martinez maybe was overrated by some, as he never was on the skill level of a Floyd Mayweather or Andre Ward and did have his share of flaws, but Sergio was a magnificent boxing talent for his relatively short time at the top. He was a top p4p guy in the sport without question.

yeah perhaps he was top 10 lb4lb


but it was being talked about like Floyd, Manny, Sergio and then the rest


there was even a time he was put in second behind Floyd, I had a conversation on here with some people about it


he was a very good champ but he was never that good

I'm a Cotto fan most of the time and was kind of on the fence in terms of who I wanted to win. For me it was about Martinez and his size and condition. And if Cotto could box well enough. Cotto did box well enough, but Martinez was nigh on handicapped out there and the legs looked like they could go at any point in the fight. The damage was clearly before the fight and Martinez wasn't being honest about being ready to box. Then that first round when a breeze or an ounce of pressure on the leg would send him crumbling. After it was a man without a zimmerframe doing his best not to get beaten up too much.

Good win for Cotto, but I find it hard to give credit for beating up an obviously hobbling man. You go and do it outside and see the plaudits you get. The fight shouldn't have happened, but to get 2 names in would sell tickets and that was what they tried. I am sure they all knew about the condition of Martinez though. If it had stopped in the 1st I could see many being very angry and it almost was. PPV can be about old fighters making a case for one last run, but they don't usually come in hobbling. Usually it is being too shot to let the hands go. In this fight Martinez too though couldn't let the hands go and had no angles. The legs meant every part of his game was gone.

There are some good point made here. I think many of us knew cotto was improved but many of us also bought that sergios slide was more injury than age. I think Cotto (and freddy) did a great job (i was rooting for Sergio)and Sergio deserved the loss. Whatever the factors are as far as Sergio's physical state. He signed the contract after agreeing to demands etc.
As fas as sergio the fighter Goes, he is a great ambassador for the sport. He seemed to a honest guy who was not perfect he'd get caught, then get up and turned it up a few notches. He didn't throw tantrums in the ring when he got jobbed. Just came back better. Concerning his greatness, we tend to appreciate fighters with less classical styles/training and superb athletic ability (like martinez and RJJ) more after their time. Mostly because so much of it time/age dependent (Legs, reflexes, speed). I think many of us wanted to see a guy like sergio extend his run a little longer because of his late start and even later recognition. Was it all downhill after the Chavez fight? Its hard to say and you won't get an honest assessment from the fighter. We can see that the injuries seemed to accumulate and are slower to heal. I will say his focus kind of suffered too starting with the chavez fight. Opponents getting under his skin and statements referring to himself as a superstar (prior to the hometown Argentina fight) became noticeable, anti bully campaigns etc.

Coming into this fight seemed like a a perfect storm of factors. Age, Injuries, If you're out for a year and you spend 7 months on crutches, then rehab, physical therapy, then training for a fight in the last 2-3 months. Was Cotto at a catch weight (where you have to substitute your roadwork for low or no impact cardio) really the wisest choice for a first fight back? But sergio signed the contract and should have known what he was getting into. Freddy made a crafty pick in this fight and then sought to insurance through gamesmanship, as freddy is often known to do. ("Ruined fighter" statements, kneegate etc...) Cotto was the better prepared and improved fighter. We never got to see how much of sergio was left.

That being said, the view of the doubters has some merit. In that they've seen Sergio stalked, chased and tagged by bigger stronger, aggressive opponents. He was able to out maneuver them easy and his speed, ability to bridge the gap and power became equalizers to the equation. Sergios been caught early before but never seemed to be that adversely affected before (Could this have been water weight drain affecting his levels of Cerebral Spinal Fluid). His normally explosive lateral movement and head movement was also absent. This could be due its effect on his equilibrium after he was caught. There's no way to know for certain what had sergio so far off the mark for this fight (maybe cotto would always have sergios number) but considering the physical factors, age, weight drain... and how they match up with freddys assertions definitely implies a correlation that can contribute to the doubters cherry picking theory. I think looking beyond this fight, i ask myself if could I see Cotto having trouble with fighters at the weight like Trout or Lara (who also use lateral movement) and the answer comes back probably.

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Well Sergio couldn't get fights for most of his career while he was in his physical prime because he was a slick southpaw mover/counter puncher. When he finally started getting shots, he got robbed twice in a row vs Cintron and Williams, and went on a tear and whipped the undisputed #1 MW in Pavlik, which is Pavlik's only loss at MW.

Now I agree that Martinez maybe was overrated by some, as he never was on the skill level of a Floyd Mayweather or Andre Ward and did have his share of flaws, but Sergio was a magnificent boxing talent for his relatively short time at the top. He was a top p4p guy in the sport without question.

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bullshit....that old fag Sergio never had trouble getting fights.

Stop making shit up.

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Well Sergio couldn't get fights for most of his career while he was in his physical prime because he was a slick southpaw mover/counter puncher. When he finally started getting shots, he got robbed twice in a row vs Cintron and Williams, and went on a tear and whipped the undisputed #1 MW in Pavlik, which is Pavlik's only loss at MW.

Now I agree that Martinez maybe was overrated by some, as he never was on the skill level of a Floyd Mayweather or Andre Ward and did have his share of flaws, but Sergio was a magnificent boxing talent for his relatively short time at the top. He was a top p4p guy in the sport without question.

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bullshit....that old fag Sergio never had trouble getting fights.

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It is true. I have to say, you are such a racist.

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yeah perhaps he was top 10 lb4lb


but it was being talked about like Floyd, Manny, Sergio and then the rest


there was even a time he was put in second behind Floyd, I had a conversation on here with some people about it


he was a very good champ but he was never that good

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Well Sergio couldn't get fights for most of his career while he was in his physical prime because he was a slick southpaw mover/counter puncher. When he finally started getting shots, he got robbed twice in a row vs Cintron and Williams, and went on a tear and whipped the undisputed #1 MW in Pavlik, which is Pavlik's only loss at MW.

Now I agree that Martinez maybe was overrated by some, as he never was on the skill level of a Floyd Mayweather or Andre Ward and did have his share of flaws, but Sergio was a magnificent boxing talent for his relatively short time at the top. He was a top p4p guy in the sport without question.

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bullshit....that old fag Sergio never had trouble getting fights.

Stop making shit up.

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Look who's talking...one of Top Rank's unpaid shills
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Well Sergio couldn't get fights for most of his career while he was in his physical prime because he was a slick southpaw mover/counter puncher. When he finally started getting shots, he got robbed twice in a row vs Cintron and Williams, and went on a tear and whipped the undisputed #1 MW in Pavlik, which is Pavlik's only loss at MW.

Now I agree that Martinez maybe was overrated by some, as he never was on the skill level of a Floyd Mayweather or Andre Ward and did have his share of flaws, but Sergio was a magnificent boxing talent for his relatively short time at the top. He was a top p4p guy in the sport without question.

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bullshit....that old fag Sergio never had trouble getting fights.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

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Sergio was not in he's Prime in 2000 when he fight Antonio in he's 14th fight. And he didn't get KTFO it was a TKO stoppage. You need to learn your boxing.

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You sure do like making excuses for Sergio.

Martinez was ALWAYS wide open for the punches Cotto had for him.

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I was very critical of not only his legs but how he used them. I felt terrible after the fight because it probably came off dismissive of Cotto when that certainly wasn't my intention.

Here is what my eyes thought they saw.
Not a knee issue as much as a leg strength issue and how he moved not his ability to move. First, one foot was always in the air. Big step left with his lead leg, he's not in a good punching position while it is up or turned as it put him. Then big step sideways with his train foot, again he can't really punch with that foot in the air. Once he plants it down he is sturdy but he then moved his lead leg again. Constantly with no base under him. His balance was shook from early but some of that can be compensated by pure leg strength. And awkward fighters can generate power without having their legs under them from their legs. That's what makes them awkward. Being able to get power when you don't expect. But I saw about five times(not counting when he was stunned) where he went to make a simple movement and he sort of tripped because it didn't look like he had the strength in his legs to compensate for his movement.

I fully apologize if it came off I was dismissing what Cotto had done. That certainly wasn't my intention. I just didn't see leg strength from Sergio, I commented on how pencil thin his legs were at the weigh in. I thought they'd use the 14 months to build them up to stabilize the knee. I didn't see leg strength at the weigh in and I didn't see a solid base in the fight. Full props to Cotto for beating the hell out of him. And I use what I say about Sergios legs as no excuse for how wildly wrong I was about the fight. What happened happened I was just flat wrong. Probably the most wrong I've been since I under estimated a young Andre Ward. This one will stick with me for the shot to my ego. But it's awesome that Cotto got to put on such a show. Bariquas rejoice!

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This is the thing. He didn't have his legs from the first bell in this fight which meant he didn't have his normal mobility to get himself into punching position/out of the way of Cotto's punches and didn't have any snap in his punches when he did throw them.

Check 1:05 of round one. Martinez twists his right knee and ankle badly as Cotto steps on his front foot and lands a left hook. My knee hurt just watching it.

Edit: If it was from the punch alone, both legs would have gone.

Occurs again at R1 1.25 and 0.43 where Cotto wedges his own knee behind Martinez front knee and pushes him, causing him to collapse over.

Evil as sin but effective tactics.

I have not seen the fight but Sergio did not use it as an excuse.

I was 99% sure Sergio was finished physically after the Murray fight...he just looked that bad. When i heard he was having a tough time making 159, i had a feeling he was in for a long night. His legs are gone...anyone trying to dispute that by saying he was able to back pedal from Cotto in order to survive is just a hater. His mobility and balance have been greatly diminished...and you can tell his punches no longer have pop. For a fighter who relies a lot on his athleticism...he was in position to get demoralized. Credit Cotto for doing what he had to do...he showed that he still has life in him. But i am not going to get carried away and say he is a threat to the other big (and much healthier) names at 160.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

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Sergio was not in he's Prime in 2000 when he fight Antonio in he's 14th fight. And he didn't get KTFO it was a TKO stoppage. You need to learn your boxing.

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You sure do like making excuses for Sergio.

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Martinez issue wasn't his knees which has nothing to do with the way he couldnt get away from Cottos left hook. Almost every hook he threw landed and Martinez could do nothing to get away from it. Even if he was 100% Cotto would still be landing those hooks. He was aggressive when he had to be and patient when he had to be. Props to Cotto. Hope Martinez retires he had a late start and still manged to have a great career great fighter lots of heart for wanting to stay in it.

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I dont make excuses not even for one of my favorite fighters im just pointing out that there's a difference from getting KTFO like Pacquiao, Williams or Hatton then getting stopped like Alvarado, Castillo or Martinez.

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The guy was on his friggin bike the entire fight. That is quite a feat for a one legged man. Of course it was not the same Sergio from 3 years ago. Neither was it the same Cotto. Not everyone is Juan Marquez. He simply never recovered from round 1.

No way does a guy use his legs like he did if he had a bad knee. He was so much bigger, stronger, faster that he could have just stood in the pocket right? Anyway if someone would be so kind to point out the round and time when he lost the limb?

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He was moving in one direction due to bad knee . That direction was not the direction a southpaw should move in vs a right handed fighter. It was the only gear he could move in . He was not able to brace and put power behind it and he did not dart in and out or make quick stop and go movements. Remarkably he lasted that long. Cotto should have taken him out sooner had he just leaned on him More. Sergio's knees could barely handle his own weight. There was no strength afforded to him he simply had no base to stand up and throw any punches with power.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

Sergio was never all that.

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Sergio was not in he's Prime in 2000 when he fight Antonio in he's 14th fight. And he didn't get KTFO it was a TKO stoppage. You need to learn your boxing.

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You sure do like making excuses for Sergio.

Martinez was ALWAYS wide open for the punches Cotto had for him.

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Margarito is a known cheater and a poor example, the majority of his fights should be suspect, anyway you are talking about now not then.

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It's not a matter of his knee completely giving out on him, it's a matter of his knees being beaten up and old and him not having the mobility and spring that he did, say, 4 years ago. No one's saying that he was a one-legged gimp out there, but he was a far cry from prime Sergio. And this didn't happen just in this fight, we've seen a sharp decline in him over the last few years.

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Prime Sergio got KTFO by Antonio Margarito....were his knees shot way back then??

Sergio was never all that.

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He was sure as fuck, all that, when he planked Paul Williams!

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