Why is Steve Collins not in the International Boxing Hall of Fame?

Does the IBHOF have something against him? Also Benn and Eubank? I get Calzaghe of course, but come on, these guys deserve to be in there.

Collins doesn't get a fair shake in any aspect of boxing discussion or consideration.

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

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Then he is overrated by those. But otherwise I see him as largely forgotten. I've been on various boxing message boards for around a decade and this is the first Collins thread I recall. Benn and Eubank come up all the time but never the man that beat each, twice.

It's a bunch of boxing writers who decide who goes in the HOF. The consensus opinion is that those guys don't qualify. I'd vote Benn in but not the other two.

Yeah but come on, he beat Nigel and Chris at the end of their careers.

He was a solid fighter for sure, I was impressed that he hung in there so well with Reggie Johnson (who is an INCREDIBLY underrated fighter) but I never saw Collins as anything special.

He would have been eaten alive by Calzaghe and was right to retire when he did IMO.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

It's a bunch of boxing writers who decide who goes in the HOF. The consensus opinion is that those guys don't qualify. I'd vote Benn in but not the other two.

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These f--king writers are morons for the most part and know f--k all about boxing and boxing history. Fat Dan is a rime example. Many are frigging jock sniffing kids who are bile-inducing.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

It's a bunch of boxing writers who decide who goes in the HOF. The consensus opinion is that those guys don't qualify. I'd vote Benn in but not the other two.

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These f--king writers are morons for the most part and know f--k all about boxing and boxing history. Fat Dan is a rime example. Many are frigging jock sniffing kids who are bile-inducing.

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Hmm. Was that too harsh?

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Does the IBHOF have something against him? Also Benn and Eubank? I get Calzaghe of course, but come on, these guys deserve to be in there.

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Because he was shit.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Yeah but come on, he beat Nigel and Chris at the end of their careers.

He was a solid fighter for sure, I was impressed that he hung in there so well with Reggie Johnson (who is an INCREDIBLY underrated fighter) but I never saw Collins as anything special.

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He never appeared special to me either. But sometimes we miss things. JCC could look ordinary if you didn't take the time to really get to know. I've seen many people that consider Hatton a glorified club fighter while I think Hatton at his best had a clever approach and fantastic abilities. I could list tons of guys that may look ordinary to me or you but had a certain something that got it done. Joe Cs best wins are against guys that were diminished or at the end. Collins is just another in the long line with that distinction. I'm by no means arguing he was a world beater. Just saying what he did warrants discussion.

I just don't know who he beat. He beat Eubank and Benn at the end of their careers, and who else? He lost to Reggie Johnson, he lost to the Body Snatcher (no shame there, another great underrated fighter), he lost to a washed up Kalambay... struggled with I guess fringe contender Tony Thornton...

JCC had the results to back up his legend. I just don't know what Steve Collins did? He missed out on the great 168 showdowns of the early 90s with Eubank, Benn, Watson, ect and just ate up the scraps that were left over.

Maybe when he gets his "Grudge match" and KO's RJJ In round 1 ,that'll get him in!:rolleyes: cos then we'll all forget that he beat Benn and Eubank when they were past their prime and bottled out of the Calzaghe fight because he knew he'd lose.
I don't think anybody who gets in the ring is a coward, because it takes untold courage to get in there in the 1st place. None of them are scared of getting hurt, but that doesn't mean they're not scared of getting beat and ruining they're "mythical legacies".
If you don't believe me, watch that "Gloves are off" again. Changing his story left,right and centre, it was cringeworthy.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Yeah but come on, he beat Nigel and Chris at the end of their careers.

He was a solid fighter for sure, I was impressed that he hung in there so well with Reggie Johnson (who is an INCREDIBLY underrated fighter) but I never saw Collins as anything special.

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I've seen very little of Collins, but his resume is not HOF worthy imo.


Reggie "The Embezzler" Johnson was a fine Light Heavy. He holds a LEGIT knockdown of James Tony, which was once an incredible feat.


Watch what Roy Jones did to Reggie Johnson. Just shut him down from the get go.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

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He doesn't stink as much as Calzhage and not nearly as overrated.

At least he could punch instead of slap.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Reggie "The Embezzler" Johnson was a fine Light Heavy. He holds a LEGIT knockdown of James Tony, which was once an incredible feat.


Watch what Roy Jones did to Reggie Johnson. Just shut him down from the get go.

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Yeah, people who just look at stats and names and don't watch a lot of boxing sleep on a guy like Reggie Johnson. Reggie also beat Lamar Parks, who was poised to do big things in boxing before getting HIV and got robbed twice against Castro.

Also IMO beat and got robbed vs Tarver, even though he was old and past his best days.

Cuz Collins is a ginger?

Because he's not good enough nor famous enough.

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Originally Posted by cyclone

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

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He doesn't stink as much as Calzhage and not nearly as overrated.

At least he could punch instead of slap.

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The village called. They want their idiot back.

I'm starting to think Calzaghe banged your sister. Either that or you are just the typical troll here once or more before with an agenda hiding behind a proxy of sorts so the Mods cant match the ISP. By slap do you mean like this?http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...lzaghe_275.jpg

Or this? http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p.../calzaghe3.jpg

Looks like ole slappy slaps pretty hard. Send Kessler a tweet and ask him how charmin soft it is.

So you tell me smart guy as to why Joe changed much of his direction, punch selection and timing?

Actually don't bother.

Getting back to the authors question, the Hall has no criteria really. That is, no written one. Its subjective and bias in many cases. Some days all you need is a title and at other times you need more or you don't need one at all.

Why is Kid Azteca not in there?

or,

Harry Jeffra
Tippy Larkin
Esteban Dejesus
Bert Lytell
Jack Chase
Jackie Patterson
Willie Joyce
Rafael Herrera
Ernesto Marcel
Cocoa Kid
Jeff Clark
Lou Salica
Benny Briscoe?

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Getting back to the authors question, the Hall has no criteria really. That is, no written one. Its subjective and bias in many cases. Some days all you need is a title and at other times you need more or you don't need one at all.

Why is Kid Azteca not in there?

or,

Harry Jeffra
Tippy Larkin
Esteban Dejesus
Bert Lytell
Jack Chase
Jackie Patterson
Willie Joyce
Rafael Herrera
Ernesto Marcel
Cocoa Kid
Jeff Clark
Lou Salica
Benny Briscoe?

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...yep, but Sylvester Stallone is !

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Getting back to the authors question, the Hall has no criteria really. That is, no written one. Its subjective and bias in many cases. Some days all you need is a title and at other times you need more or you don't need one at all.

Why is Kid Azteca not in there?

or,

Harry Jeffra
Tippy Larkin
Esteban Dejesus
Bert Lytell
Jack Chase
Jackie Patterson
Willie Joyce
Rafael Herrera
Ernesto Marcel
Cocoa Kid
Jeff Clark
Lou Salica
Benny Briscoe?

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...yep, but Sylvester Stallone is !

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Or Davey Moore

Lots of this has to do with politics. Bert Sugar? WTF. Juicer Stallone? WTF. The Hall is full of shite.

Collins is very underrated and isn't given the recognition he deserves.

He was a real warrior who prevailed in situations where he was expected to lose.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Because he's not good enough nor famous enough.

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nor is Joke Calhzage

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I think he stinks and is overrated.

There's actually people on this board - no joke - who think he would have beaten prime Roy Jones at 168.

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He doesn't stink as much as Calzhage and not nearly as overrated.

At least he could punch instead of slap.

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The village called. They want their idiot back.

I'm starting to think Calzaghe banged your sister. Either that or you are just the typical troll here once or more before with an agenda hiding behind a proxy of sorts so the Mods cant match the ISP. By slap do you mean like this?http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...lzaghe_275.jpg

Or this? http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p.../calzaghe3.jpg

Looks like ole slappy slaps pretty hard. Send Kessler a tweet and ask him how charmin soft it is.

So you tell me smart guy as to why Joe changed much of his direction, punch selection and timing?

Actually don't bother.

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I'm beginning to think you are Joe Calzhage's sister;D

I can post pics of Sven Ottke landing shots...any fool can do that.

Kessler.......lol.....who did he ever beat?

He couldn't KO Mundine....Ottke LAID MUNDINE OUT..!
Open the doors to the BHOF for the awesome UNDEFEATED Sven Ottke.
Only a pussy can be impressed by The Welsh Rabbit.

Why is Steve Collins not in the International Boxing Hall of Fame?

Cuz he doesn't deserve to be

Listen son, in the late 90s, Calzaghe used to knock the $#!t out of people, where do you think the 32 KOs came from?!

You're just some young $#!t-snap Johnny-Come-Lately who saw maybe his last 5 fights and jumped to conclusions like a hysterical woman.

The dude's hands went bad on him, and he deserves all the credit for successfully changing up his style and finding another way to get the job done at the World Class level.
World Champion for over 10 years.

Steve was tough, durable and decent boxer early in his career but he was fortunate to meet Benn and Eubanks at the end of their career. He barely beat Eubanks the first time. He was nor special enough to be ranked HOF.

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Originally Posted by Master

Steve was tough, durable and decent boxer early in his career but he was fortunate to meet Benn and Eubanks at the end of their career. He barely beat Eubanks the first time. He was nor special enough to be ranked HOF.

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Arghhh!

Steve's got a bit of an attitude too. I saw that British special where they got a bunch of the 168lbers to sit down for an interview (Collins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Roy Jones, ect) and he came off as a bit of a cocky dick. Eubank also openly accused him of ducking Calzaghe.

After amassing an 82-8 amateur record, Collins fought from 1986 through 1997 and retired with a 36-3 record. Amazingly, he book-ended his career with 16 wins at the start and 15 at the end–with a beginning and ending TKO as icing on the cake. The last nine were world title fights. Even more impressive is that this dominant iron-chinned Irishman retired as WBO Super Middleweight Title holder, something few champions ever accomplish.

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After amassing an 82-8 amateur record, Collins fought from 1986 through 1997 and retired with a 36-3 record. Amazingly, he book-ended his career with 16 wins at the start and 15 at the end–with a beginning and ending TKO as icing on the cake. The last nine were world title fights. Even more impressive is that this dominant iron-chinned Irishman retired as WBO Super Middleweight Title holder, something few champions ever accomplish.

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He could easily get in with his credentials and the only reason I posted those others was to show just how inconsistent the suits are who ultimately decide. Some of them probably work at flower shops.
There are all kinds of people with less credentials then Steve already in there. Today, all you seem to need is a belt for reasonable amount of time. Primo Canera is in there ffs.;D

Collins got beat by the top US fighters and so came to the UK and was lucky enough to face faded Eubanks and Benn.

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Originally Posted by Master

Collins got beat by the top US fighters and so came to the UK and was lucky enough to face faded Eubanks and Benn.

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He lost on points to Johnson barely, the body snatcher and Kalambay. Those three loses dont discount him my friend. He then went on to beat Eubank twice in 6 months and knockout Benn twice in 4 months and remained undefeated for the remainder of his career. There are guys in the hall with a lot more questionable records then him.

You jut dont like him cause he's Irish;D

Well pog mo thoin;)

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Does the IBHOF have something against him? Also Benn and Eubank? I get Calzaghe of course, but come on, these guys deserve to be in there.

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Steve Collins ? Get real

For what ? Beating a past it Eubank and Benn ? Yeah sure Eubank was only 29 when they fought but was an old 29 and as for Benn, well after McClellan, no fighter could ever be the same after that

Look. James Toney is not in the I.B.H.O.F nor is Hopkins or Roy Jones and are you seriously trying to tell me Collins was better than them ?

Maybe they'll all get in when they all finally decide to call it time once and for all, but Collins should not be in I.B.H.O.F, because to get in, it's not just about quality but it's about the drama, excitement you brought into the ring, that's why a guy Gatti is in

The only UK fighters from the last 50 years who have got in the I.B.H.O.F have been Lennox Lewis (And whether he was a UK fighter is another matter) Joe Calzaghe and Barry McGuigan

Do you really think Steve Collins deserves a seat alongside those ?

Don't forget Collins was schooled IN HIS PRIME by Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay ? "Who" I hear you say....yeah they were good fighters but to get in the I.B.H.O.F he has to be beaten them. Fair play, he also lost to Mike McCallum, no disgrace there

To me Collins has been dining out for the past 15 years, on his victories over faded Eubank and Benn

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Does the IBHOF have something against him? Also Benn and Eubank? I get Calzaghe of course, but come on, these guys deserve to be in there.

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Steve Collins ? Get real

For what ? Beating a past it Eubank and Benn ? Yeah sure Eubank was only 29 when they fought but was an old 29 and as for Benn, well after McClellan, no fighter could ever be the same after that

Look. James Toney is not in the I.B.H.O.F nor is Hopkins or Roy Jones and are you seriously trying to tell me Collins was better than them ?

Maybe they'll all get in when they all finally decide to call it time once and for all, but Collins should not be in I.B.H.O.F, because to get in, it's not just about quality but it's about the drama, excitement you brought into the ring, that's why a guy Gatti is in

The only UK fighters from the last 50 years who have got in the I.B.H.O.F have been Lennox Lewis (And whether he was a UK fighter is another matter) Joe Calzaghe and Barry McGuigan

Do you really think Steve Collins deserves a seat alongside those ?

Don't forget Collins was schooled IN HIS PRIME by Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay ? "Who" I hear you say....yeah they were good fighters but to get in the I.B.H.O.F he has to be beaten them. Fair play, he also lost to Mike McCallum, no disgrace there

To me Collins has been dining out for the past 15 years, on his victories over faded Eubank and Benn

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Toney, Hopkins and Jones are not in because 5 years have not gone by yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After losing to the “Body Snatcher,” he won 5 straight before dropping a razor thin and controversial MD to Reggie Johnson (32-2-1) and a close UD to Sumbu Kalambay, 55-5-1, (a masterful defensive fighter and counter-puncher)- both in 1992. He rebounded by winning the WBA Penta-Continental Middleweight Title in 1993 by knocking out South African Gerhard Botes.

Finally, after relocating to England from Boston, Steve won the WBO Middleweight Title with a KO over the very capable Chris Pyatt (42-3) in 1994. He then would close out his career as he continued the aforementioned streak of wins. Incredibly during this run, he fought and beat flamboyant Chris Eubank twice in succession in 1995. Both fights were close and both were thrillers in front of roaring Irish fans. Eubank was 41-0-2 coming into their first fight.

Here are the two YouTube’s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYH-JFm9SC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYH-JFm9SC4


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@holmcall stop copy and pasting crap. Pyatt was poor not capable at world level. The rest should read he got beat by the best fighters in the US and came to UK to try his luck. He got loads of luck and showed some heart and determination to make some money before retiring because Joe Calzaghe was going to tear him apart.

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@holmcall stop copy and pasting crap. Pyatt was poor not capable at world level. The rest should read he got beat by the best fighters in the US and came to UK to try his luck. He got loads of luck and showed some heart and determination to make some money before retiring because Joe Calzaghe was going to tear him apart.

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I dont think he feared Joe. It was simply time for him to hang them up. Look there are better fighters then him in the Hall and there are worse. The only thing consistent about the place is its inconsistency.
Based on observation, experience and repeatability Collins qualifies. If it was a Hall based on a singular interpretation of perfection then it might have 25 members.

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@holmcall stop copy and pasting crap. Pyatt was poor not capable at world level. The rest should read he got beat by the best fighters in the US and came to UK to try his luck. He got loads of luck and showed some heart and determination to make some money before retiring because Joe Calzaghe was going to tear him apart.

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I dont think he feared Joe. It was simply time for him to hang them up. Look there are better fighters then him in the Hall and there are worse. The only thing consistent about the place is its inconsistency.
Based on observation, experience and repeatability Collins qualifies. If it was a Hall based on a singular interpretation of perfection then it might have 0 members.

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This is more accurate.