The following is a list of people arguably involved in the most corrupt immoral practices in the country. Should they be put on trial for their crimes against the state?
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The following is a list of people arguably involved in the most corrupt immoral practices in the country. Should they be put on trial for their crimes against the state?
I was putting together a very healthy list of names, but accidentally crushed the other part of the thread I was creating. Still, either way. Let's just get punk rock on this. In the light of banking scandals, monarchy, peadophiles in each of those fields, police state surveillance, privatisation, wars. There are many more areas to add to the list, but you see that the British publics involvement and interest should be high. On the basis of what you know, do you think the entire political system needs to be put on trial?
I say it does 100%. I want the Queen on trial and none of her bullshit. Same with Cameron and of course many others like Clegg and Osbourne who have carried out high treason. We can also go back to Blair and that man needs to be in a cell. The entire secret service agencies think of themselves as blameless, but really the entire system needs to be cleaned out.
It's a system that looks after its own, but defends perverts. To improve a country, you have to root out the rot.
1. Blair
2. Cameron
3. The Queen
4. Charles
5. Gordon Brown
6. Rupert Murdoch
7. Nick Clegg (pure bullshit. no integrity)
8. The peadophiles
9. Osborne. You are evil.
10. space
All in all those people above are the lowest of the low. You should never be a friend with one of these people. They are very sick people.
Each and every one of these people has commited crimes against the state. In the case of Brown it was his ability to sell gold at record low prices, whilst it rose massively. The nation was massively ripped off.
Cameron speaks of 'We are all in it together!'' When he is a liar and has no time or place for ordinary human beings. This man won't step a foot anywhere as he knows people hate him and what will likely happen.
As for Blair. Well, that is arguably the biggest stain on the name of the UK. Tell it as it is, the man is a war criminal and I personally want to see him in the Hague. He is deranged.
Gandolf, for someone who does not live in this country you sure know how corrupt and vile the tories are. They are cutting public sector but spending millions on private industry subsiding with tax payers money the private trains, construction, banks and prisons.
I think one of the problems for British people is the fact that they do live in country and are surrounded by the culture 24/7. They have no ability to create distance and to appraise, compare and contrast. You have a few choices of television news networks all largely spouting off the same right wing nonsense. I do follow closely as one needs to pay attention. Ordinary people are usually too busy to pay it any real attention and again this is largely by design so that people will just shut up. Others are probably too scared to face the reality as they get a glimpse and don't want to see any more as it really is much worse than they ever imagined. Central banks, supporting terrorists, the paedophile rings, passing bank criminality onto the taxpayer, the Monarchy, the privatisations, the fracking, the constant abuse of power for power and yet the basic inability to pay nurses a decent wage and yet the constant ability to expand the police state. It is a sick and savage creation. It is a system based on degradation and hate and when a system is so rotten it has to become draconian.
These nasty people in the upper echelons of power are sinister, amoral, duplicitious, and dangerous people. The system is run by secret societies and agencies, and there is no transparency. They want to observe everything that you do, but they will tell you nothing about themselves. They think they are beyond all law, but they should answer to society. We need our very own Nuremburg trials.
This thread isn't very well structured so I have nothing to add to it really. I was just fuming about the missing 114 peadophile documents and thinking about the missing Blair correspondence and wanted to vent a little. The thing with the pervert politicians is something that has been documented back a long time. Just look back to the case of Oscar Wilde. Wilde was guilty of many things, but he was the fall guy for what the leading politicians were also getting away with. Politicians have it swept under the carpet and the fall guy takes the hit. Over one hundred years later they are still learning child abuse and conning the world at public schools and then they go out into the political world and continue the procedure. Peter Cook was once asked what his most enduring memory of private school was and his reply was 'trying to avoid buggery'. It is an institutional problem. These old school connections need to be ended.
Yes the rumour was that there were elite politicians and police abusing children in the 80's and covering it up.
My list was a good one considering I was a bit pissed. The only one that was a bit off was space, but that was an attempt at humour being so angry. It could easily have been a list of 20 and they would be more in the corporate sector. I can guarantee that each of those people, except for the non-person space, is responsible for crimes against British society. They are traitors with many on record lies to share amongst themselves.
The Queen is a live one with her shield of 'Look at me.... and George. I am so harmless and he is lovely!' Says the woman with billions in property and the mineral rights under every home in the UK, investments all over the globe and ownership of multiple countries. 'But I have no money for decoration!' the vampire protests. The rancid old hag who cannot even run her own bath, or cook her meal, duly buys her inbred son a helicopter for his birthday! Do you know what austerity is, Queen? You should be put on trial and answer some questions.
She is emblemic of all that is wrong and these paltry attempts to be nice at Christmas are nonsense. She hires people on zero hours contracts, she is one of the richest people in the world, and she won't even support herself. It is sick. Cameron can attack the vulnerable, but she gets the biggest handout. She is a disgrace. All this corruption and servility starts with that woman.
Miles making the Queen the foremost subject for your ire is a bit daft and again just completely distorts the truth and undermines your own argument. There are some really deserving scumbags on your list, she is most certainly not the worst.
No disrespect, GB, but she should be top of the list.
We continuously allow her impact to be excused away when she is a vampire. If I had billions of pounds, why would I make demands on the state? Her family controls things through birth. This is against anything a decent person would believe in and she has so much for herself already.
Right now her family are sending letters to people saying that fracking rights are 'her' rights. Again, no person should be allowing this. People have their homes and the Queen is saying fracking 'goes to me!'. It's wrong.
Plus the number of immoral regimes the Queen supports and allows to Royal functions. But what about the poor of England? She couldn't care less about the UK or its people.
The Queen is most deserving of court because she has sanctioned every immoral act that has taken place under her tenure. Good men do nothing. In her case, the Queen did nothing. She is thereby responsible for half a century of British criminality. If she doesn't like it, then she should abdicate and not pass laws or Knight the likes of Saville. You cannot be good when you are involved in garbage. Move to the country and don't get involved. She is involved and she should face a grilling.
I want the Royal family banned TBH as a way to improve things. Ya energy, mail, transport, education gone but the Monarchy never gets touched, right? What a joke. Monarchy should be gone now instead. All of those other things in the interest of the public should be brought back. The elite is a despicable bunch and along with the secret services are up to all kinds of too much. MI6/MI5 need to be banned. I mean seriously. Do you think they help society more than a nurse who could be even better with higher wages. Instead we expand a police state because of crap the monarchy/political system says should be. Nobody cuts their jobs, nobody can criticise the monarchy.
Well, I do criticise them because I do care. They are wrong, the secret agencies are also very wrong. They need to be closed down. I see one of the most insidious corrupt societies imaginable and the Queen leads it. If she had decency, she would say something considering the growing poverty of the populace and the unchecked immigration. She says nothing. What a shill. Put her in court and make her answer the questions. She just wants the paycheck. Many have had the paycheck cut. Not her. Tyranny.
On the basis that we are all equal. How has she with all that pomp ever suggested she is equal. She hasn't. She will never allow that. The reality is that we are equal and I will allow it and I hope you allow it in return. But she will never allow it! The word I have for that is BULLSHIT. The Queen is BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I am happy for her to change my mind, but it won't happen. She exists in the 1870's.
My updated list:
1. The Queen
2. Tony Blair
3. David Cameron
4. Rupert Murdoch
5. George Osborne
6. Prince Charles
7. Gordon Brown
8. Nick Clegg
9. Mark Carney
10. William Hague
These people are the most irresponsible people in the world. The UK has a massive level of debt, the foreign policy has been crazy, the media is bullshit, the former politicians have got away with war crimes, the current politicians are getting away with war crimes. No excuses. These people should be on trial. End them. Justly.
Nice rational 4 post response to my two sentences. Miles that is not how a conversation works. You are ranting at yourself.
It's a sad state of affairs, that the government of the day new they were rife with pervs truly
disgusting, can we trust any of them the elite my fucking ass, scum of the earth.
The truth should come out and not white washed over, but I have a feeling we will be feed
a load of bull shit.
Them poor children abused by a bunch of CUNTS, HOW MANY OF THESES BASTARDS ARE
STILL ALIVE, I was told by a good sauce about the Union had to defend , some pervs that
abused children in there care, in the north wales care home scandal.
It was horrific and disgusting shocking that people could do such things, to children may
they rot in hell.:mad:
I think the alternative is that people no longer play the system. People need to become more connected, talk to each other, and a controlled system of anarchy be put in place. The elite don't represent anyone.
You speak SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY. Behind your reasoning is the notion "I am good, they are bad", it is very dangerous and is the mother of all deceptions. There is NO TRUTH in this kind of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There is no deception in stating the truth about power and the fact that it exists solely to perpetuate itself. Advocating that people who have a lot of power and are responsibly for financial and physical terrorism should be held to account is not self righteous. I don't dictate the system. They should be held to account following already existing laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou speak SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY. Behind your reasoning is the notion "I am good, they are bad", it is very dangerous and is the mother of all deceptions. There is NO TRUTH in this kind of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You make excuses and cower behind a book. That is cowardly. We are in the here and now and the truth must be stated.
you do not propose anything constructive "Lets just kills these bitches"Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThere is no deception in stating the truth about power and the fact that it exists solely to perpetuate itself. Advocating that people who have a lot of power and are responsibly for financial and physical terrorism should be held to account is not self righteous. I don't dictate the system. They should be held to account following already existing laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou speak SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY. Behind your reasoning is the notion "I am good, they are bad", it is very dangerous and is the mother of all deceptions. There is NO TRUTH in this kind of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You make excuses and cower behind a book. That is cowardly. We are in the here and now and the truth must be stated.
You put somebody else in their place, the result would be the same in 99% cases.
Nothing changes.
So we should just continue to have peadophiles in Cabinet and have a Royal family as nothing can change? It isn't that difficult to kick out the corrupt and to replace them with ordinary people with decent aspirations who are then kept under control with a careful series of checks and balances.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminyou do not propose anything constructive "Lets just kills these bitches"Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThere is no deception in stating the truth about power and the fact that it exists solely to perpetuate itself. Advocating that people who have a lot of power and are responsibly for financial and physical terrorism should be held to account is not self righteous. I don't dictate the system. They should be held to account following already existing laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou speak SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY. Behind your reasoning is the notion "I am good, they are bad", it is very dangerous and is the mother of all deceptions. There is NO TRUTH in this kind of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You make excuses and cower behind a book. That is cowardly. We are in the here and now and the truth must be stated.
You put somebody else in their place, the result would be the same in 99% cases.
Nothing changes.
The problem with the UK is it allows absurdity like monarchy and doesn't have a system of checks and balances to ensure a system by, for, and of the people. That is simply what I suggest. People should be getting this done. If it cannot be done, then people should simply reject the system, as it has failed.
There is nothing self righteous in advocating a better system. It is currently a system not run in the interests of the vast majority and the elite alone and frankly they are depraved. What currently is is 'self righteous' and that is systemically corrupt.
The government reshuffle appears to be nothing more than a coverup of sexual abuse. William Hague and Ken Clarke want a nice long rest? Hmmm. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by GandalfSo we should just continue to have peadophiles in Cabinet and have a Royal family as nothing can change? It isn't that difficult to kick out the corrupt and to replace them with ordinary people with decent aspirations who are then kept under control with a careful series of checks and balances.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminyou do not propose anything constructive "Lets just kills these bitches"Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThere is no deception in stating the truth about power and the fact that it exists solely to perpetuate itself. Advocating that people who have a lot of power and are responsibly for financial and physical terrorism should be held to account is not self righteous. I don't dictate the system. They should be held to account following already existing laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminYou speak SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY. Behind your reasoning is the notion "I am good, they are bad", it is very dangerous and is the mother of all deceptions. There is NO TRUTH in this kind of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You make excuses and cower behind a book. That is cowardly. We are in the here and now and the truth must be stated.
You put somebody else in their place, the result would be the same in 99% cases.
Nothing changes.
The problem with the UK is it allows absurdity like monarchy and doesn't have a system of checks and balances to ensure a system by, for, and of the people. That is simply what I suggest. People should be getting this done. If it cannot be done, then people should simply reject the system, as it has failed.
There is nothing self righteous in advocating a better system. It is currently a system run in the interests of the vast majority and them alone. What currently is is 'self righteous' and that is systemically corrupt.
The government reshuffle appears to be nothing more than a coverup of sexual abuse. William Hague and Ken Clarke want a nice long rest? Hmmm. :rolleyes:
The world in the last day will be spiritual Sodom and Egypt
Sodom = socialism / communism / democracy ( European unions , especially countries like Netherlands, Swizlands, Germany)
Egypt = Strong political power like Russia, UK, North Korea, USA?
So every time you are advocating "better men made system" you will always stay within the framework of "spiritual Sodom and Egypt", you like it or not
Kindgom of Heaven Comes!
There is also another way and that is liberalism. One should have a system that is open, non invasive, but with the rule of law to prevent unfairness and to help the needy. Governments like that of the UK are systemically sick. No more cover ups, no more economic torture, just get out, and let the people run it in the interests of the people. Let it crash, it needs to crash. But get back to basics and start again. If your primary goal is not to help others, then you automatically disqualify yourself from government. None of these people are in the right job. The secret services are really running things and they are the Stasi. It's demonic.