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... and he was undefeated... and he had beaten Barerra... he would be PPV must see TV. I think his PPV sales would be bigger than that of Mayweather.
People really don't appreciate how electric he was before the fight, during the fight and after the fight.
Hamed was one of the FEW British boxing stars that was PPV worthy- and worth every cent.
Uh no. Not even close. I'm sure he would turn a profit on PPV. But there is no way he even comes close to Mayweather numbers. If Mayweather is considered a cherry picker, Hamed was an even bigger one. Every opponent Hamed faced was either passed there prime. Smaller. Or just not that good. Even Barrera was a handpicked opponent. Had over 50 career fights and was moving up in weight. Barrera was just several levels above himQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseUh no. Not even close. I'm sure he would turn a profit on PPV. But there is no way he even comes close to Mayweather numbers. If Mayweather is considered a cherry picker, Hamed was an even bigger one. Every opponent Hamed faced was either passed there prime. Smaller. Or just not that good. Even Barrera was a handpicked opponent. Had over 50 career fights and was moving up in weight. Barrera was just several levels above himQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I don't think the TS was expecting that response;D
I love Hamed - he was entertaining in and out of the ring - but he never had the depth or the talent to remain undefeated for so long. He couldn't adapt. He was fast as hell, hit hard as hell and had a very unorthodox style, but if that didn't work (like it didn't vs Barrera) he had no Plan B.
Hypothetically, if he did remain unbeaten, he probably would be bigger than Mayweather - and that's assuming he fought and beat all the best guys in that weight area since then.
I don't think he would even come close to Mayweather numbers either
A lot of Mayweather's draw is the fact that he's undefeated. If he were to lose a fight, the drop off of PPV buys for his comeback fight would be staggering IMO.
With that style and with the arrogance, you can't afford a loss, because the second you show weakness and fail people are ready to jump on you and forget you.
I don't think people are realizing how big of a draw Mayweather is. His PPV numbers are very impressive considering every single fight of his is a PPV fight. Not to mention his style of fighting. Yes he has some help in getting those numbers (Alvarez, De La Hoya). But the fact that he can even get close to 1 million buys for fighting Robert Guerrero speaks volumes. Hamed would need to face the elite top fighters to even get close to 1 million. Also Hamed was limited by the fact that he was only 5'3. He was stuck fighting Featherweights and below. He would of got murdered fighting Junior Lightweights like Diego Corrales, Joel Casamayor and Arcelino Frietas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
NOBODY watches Floyd or anybody because of their records....c'mon....you sound crazy as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Were you talking all that shit when Chavez Sr was padding his record and preserving his 0 at all costs??
Lot of "ifs" there. If my Granny had balls, I'd be calling him Grandad!Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
HBO gave Naz a $12million six-fight deal whilst Floyd was contracted to six-figure paydays. Without Naz Floyd wouldn't have became the star he did. Naz paved the way for smaller weight fighters like Floyd (who was superfeather champ then) to become super earners.
Naz-Kelley the highest grossing gate in featherweight history.
If Naz was still fighting today he'd be much bigger than Floyd as he'd currently be the heavyweight champ of the world.
Hamed was really only top of the Championship, once promoted to the Premier League he couldn't match it and he only ever gained promotion once and that was against Barrera IMO. Hamed then wimped out and retired age 27 without seeking a rematch or doing what real champions do, comeback from adversity and win again.
No, the 'Prince' decided to turn back into a toad and vanish leaving a legacy that sees him being recognised only as a novelty attraction without a great deal of substance. Big fights were all there for the taking for the 'Prince', a Barrera rematch, Morales and Marquez were all top 5 Featherweights as of December 2001.
Pacquaio was still a Super Bantamweight and if the 'Prince wanted to move up in weight then the Super Feather division had at that time Floyd, Casamayor and Freitas all undefeated and just 4lbs away!
For his PPV numbers to match PBF he needed to continue fighting and beat A list fighters, IMO he never beat an A grade fighter. This was a career unfulfilled.
I used to love watching Hamed and cheering for the other guy , as he is a total prick.
do people tune in to see Mayweather do a job or in the hope he gets beaten ?
It's true that Mayweather is the draw that he is as he is unbeaten/ p4p no.1 And yes, a lot of people tune in to see him loose.
If (and this is a very big if) Naz was still undefeated by around 2004/6 when Floyd was just starting to do big business then I'm convinces Naz would have been an astronomically huge draw.
He'd have probably (assuming he was undefeated) beaten Barerra, Pac, Marquez and Morales by then and possibly even Cassamayor, Corrales and Feritas :o :rolleyes:
A very big if, I tell you - as Floyd has only fought 2 of the 5 viable guys from that list himself.
Hamed can't even fight his weight...
With all those ifs I can say without a doubt he would be huge.
What people don't account for when they discuss PPV numbers is that the number of homes with PPV access has grown tremendously. You do ODLH/Trinidad with todays PPV availability and it would be huge, Tyson fights, forget about it.
Don't. Tyson... Can you imagine!!
Well he is a monster for his weightQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Hey, I know how big Mayweather is, but I have to say that Nas had much more star power in and out of the ring. Mayweather is the better fighter by leaps and bounds, no doubt, but if Nas was fighting today and still undefeated - which would be 22 years of undefeated boxing - with that kind of resume and his star quality, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be one of the biggest sports legends in the world right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
With Nas was huge, he had sponsorship/commercial deals with huge companies like Adidas and Sony... if he had the skill to box on and beat all the top level guys (MAB, Morales, FW Pac, hell maybe even PBF) and remain undefeated for as long as Floyd did, there's no doubt in my mind he'd be selling more PPVs than Floyd.
That's the thing with Hamed. It involves way to many "if's" And most of those "if's" are unrealistic. I don't deny Hamed's popularity. And while he too was an arrogant prick to many he's still more likable than Mayweather. And if he was to remain undefeated for 22 years, you are correct that he would be bigger than Mayweather currently is. Problem is Hamed didn't have a prayer of remaining undefeated against the elite fighters around himQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHey, I know how big Mayweather is, but I have to say that Nas had much more star power in and out of the ring. Mayweather is the better fighter by leaps and bounds, no doubt, but if Nas was fighting today and still undefeated - which would be 22 years of undefeated boxing - with that kind of resume and his star quality, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be one of the biggest sports legends in the world right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
With Nas was huge, he had sponsorship/commercial deals with huge companies like Adidas and Sony... if he had the skill to box on and beat all the top level guys (MAB, Morales, FW Pac, hell maybe even PBF) and remain undefeated for as long as Floyd did, there's no doubt in my mind he'd be selling more PPVs than Floyd.
For sure, obviously that is an impossible hypothetical because Hamed didn't have the skill to beat Barrera and IMO would have had his ass handed to him by Morales, Pac and PBF of that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
In the end he was much more interesting than Mayweather, was more press-friendly and had a much more fan friendly style than Mayweather.
Trouble was, he wasn't half the fighter Mayweather was.
I remember after one of Floyd's fights at the time, while Larry Merchant was doing the post fight interview with him Floyd said that he wanted to set up a fight with Naseem. Larry got serious, looked him in the eye and said "Floyd, Naseem's not going to fight you". Didn't have the substance to hang with the big boys.
I remember that one too. It was the Corrales fight. Floyd offered to meet Naz at 128 or 130 and Merchant really laughed at the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFor sure, obviously that is an impossible hypothetical because Hamed didn't have the skill to beat Barrera and IMO would have had his ass handed to him by Morales, Pac and PBF of that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
In the end he was much more interesting than Mayweather, was more press-friendly and had a much more fan friendly style than Mayweather.
Trouble was, he wasn't half the fighter Mayweather was.
I remember after one of Floyd's fights at the time, while Larry Merchant was doing the post fight interview with him Floyd said that he wanted to set up a fight with Naseem. Larry got serious, looked him in the eye and said "Floyd, Naseem's not going to fight you". Didn't have the substance to hang with the big boys.
It would have been a horrible night for hamed.