I cant say I have ever heard of him, this match up doesn't make me excited. I hope he starts unifying soon. Viloria and Shimming are on the card too.
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I cant say I have ever heard of him, this match up doesn't make me excited. I hope he starts unifying soon. Viloria and Shimming are on the card too.
Never heard of any of them...
Sod will put up a good effort, though he hasn't been quite the same since Superman 2.
I do not give a Facoa
little sod
Lol I remembered the name and sure enough.. THis is the same Sod who was blitzed in the first round against Ponce De Leon in 2006:-\ It was on the undercard to Mosley-Vargas, wicked KO. Guy is 37 now and has been feeding on club fighters since that KO it seems, what an awful mismatch.
I almost feel sorry for Rigondeaux, after beating Donaire convincingly and completely shutting out Agbeko he still has to go looking for fights and take what he can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Maybe the Chinese will appreciate his boxing style and lay down some money for big fights.
Rigo is just not a big draw in the USA.
On a hit and not get hit basis you can make a case for Rigondeaux currently being pound for pound number one. This is the last fight on his current contract. Promoters should be queuing up to sign him.
And yet.
Arum says he has to look exciting in this fight, change his style and entertain or he isn't getting offered a new contract. And even if he is offered a new contract it won't be for the same kind of money as his last one.
And if Arum won't sign him will Golden Boy want him? The last thing they want is to match him with Santa Cruz who has the ability to sell a lot of tickets and be in a lot of exciting fights in the future. Getting shut out by Rigo puts a big damper on his career.
Now I've said this watch Haymon sign him. But which of his existing fighters would Haymon match him with and why? ( I think Santa Cruz is GBP and Haymon.) And who would buy the fight?
This fight should make Rigo look good. Sod will come to fight unlike Agbeko meaning Rigo will land and stop him. Rigo just needs to be matches against vertain types of fighters and he will sell tickets.
I was convinced Agbeko would attack also and I think that's why the picked him, but Rigo just seems a snake charmer. Its like trying to fight in braille, he literally ties a guy in knots. If I remember wasn't Sod on the bad end of a iffy call vs Ponce De Leon the first time in a good scrap? That was a lifetime ago. 65 fights and last opponent was making his pro debut :-X
Supposedly its his last fight with Arum and Top Rank, and Leo Santa Cruz says thats the fight he wants. So hopefully now they can make it happen cause thats the fight we really wanna see, clearly they are the 2 best fighters in the division and there styles should make for an interesting fight. I fully expect Rigo to win convincingly this Saturday night by UD.
I like Rigo. I wonder if he is willing to adjust his style to bring in a little more excitement. The guy can be untouchable but you know if he wins, which he is good at, he will win on points. I find sometimes he spends to long on his horse. I like the guy and would love to see him go main stream. I know he can be boring but he knows how to win .I'd like to see him fight someone who would keep the pressure on him moving forward throughout the fight.
The thing is Rigo can actually punch hard enough. If someones tries to pressure him with any kind of reckless abandon they would likely be getting pole axed, and people who fight him find this out rather quickly I suspect. Just don't get the dislike for the guy myself, he is a beautiful fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
He is a beautiful amateur boxer, ain't fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThe thing is Rigo can actually punch hard enough. If someones tries to pressure him with any kind of reckless abandon they would likely be getting pole axed, and people who fight him find this out rather quickly I suspect. Just don't get the dislike for the guy myself, he is a beautiful fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Slaughter
I always have time to watch a supreme talent like Rigo.
GBP will sign him and match him against Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz will get the 117-111 card and hand Rigo he's first loss :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I backed Rigo in round 1 for this one at 10/1. Rigo hits really hard and anyone marching forward will walk onto shots. I cant see this last long unless Rigo wants the rounds but he doesnt strike me as that type of guy.
Get real..Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012GBP will sign him and match him against Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz will get the 117-111 card and hand Rigo he's first loss :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Rigo would beat the lice off Santa Cruz.
Rigo is a fine boxer not everybody's cup of tea, technically brilliant like most Cuban, boxers some
can watch and enjoy others would say boring.
I myself think he is a excellent boxer, just for the purist's the art of hitting without being hit.;)
You dont seem to understand sarcasm one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneGet real..Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012GBP will sign him and match him against Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz will get the 117-111 card and hand Rigo he's first loss :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Rigo would beat the lice off Santa Cruz.
Bit lucky with this but Ill take it all the same. Pays for the Mayweather ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeBit lucky with this but Ill take it all the same. Pays for the Mayweather ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Hah nice one! Just saw a replay of the "fight", how far into the round was it, would the KO have come anyways or did you really luck out? Kind of made MAyweather-Ortiz look tame :P, but the clash of heads was an accident and it was an obvious total mismatch.
Sod wasnt interested. He got a scape goat in the contreversial ending so he could go home with some pride but Rigo was gonna catch him eventually. If not the 1st probably the 2nd or 3rd.
Chap Zou Shiming is fighting is a bloody mess!
Rigo isn't boring in the least. Mindless clubbing is boring. Technical brilliance is art. You don't judge art on the opinion of those that don't understand its beauty.
There is little doubt in my mind that boxing has been devolving or eroding as the broadcasters, power brokers, pimps and thieves have played on this instant gratification mindset that is pretty much omnipotent in everything else we do. The advent of the very device I use to communicate here and all its spin offs are imo responsible for this shift. We know for instance that areas of the brain once lit are now dark. Not even boxing can escape the clutches of instant gratification due to short attention spans that coincide with this 140 character world. There simply isn't the time. Watching a boxing match that actually includes boxing is viewed as some kind of bent procrastination. Shit half the people at ringside are not even watching the fight regardless. They are staring at a device in case they miss something on Twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Guys like Rigo and Floyd don't come around very often and when they do they dominate. The average fan does not want to watch a surgeon. They want a guy with a chainsaw. The average toga wearing fan most likely suffering from ADD, wants a good ole christians vs lions dust up as do the broadcasters and anything else is a failure. Its to the point where people actually expect fighters that box and don't hang out in the phone booth to do so or they suck. Boxing is being driven out of the sport of boxing.
Btw beautiful parting shot by Rigo to Arum in China. Knocks Sod out in the first round after the guy had won his last 37.
He wins by KO or by points guess what they still boo,! you can only win no pleasing some people,
this guy is a great talent there is more to come, can't see anybody beating him at the weight.;)
I'm done with these Micau cards and the constantly wrong info on start times, replay times ahhh whateva. I'm surrounded by screens and devices working Saturdays and unless I wrap my head in duct tape and blacken my eyes cannot avoid 'results' :p There is nothing as crappy as knowing the result prior to watching a card. Well there's a lot worse but that's my major pisser.
Glad Rigo got ko. Haven't seen it but sure it'll turn up. Zou should enjoy his favorite player status afforded by Arum while it lasts. He catches way too many punches and seems willing to do it with light pop. Oh crap, and Larry merchant
I defended (actually applauded) Mayweather when he did what he did, and I defend Rigo here too. Nothing wrong in my book.
They were completely different. In the Mayweather fight the ref had order them to stop and hadnt told them to box again. In this one he clearly did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Was Sod planked or was it a tko on feet?
TKO, looked a bit of a premature stoppage too. Whole thing was just messy but Sod looked like he had no interestQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjfHuAVig9g
You can make your mind up for yourself. I dont here the ref say box. He looks to gesture to box but when he takes his hand away he says nothing and is not looking at the fights. No doubt in my mind if Ortiz had thrown those punches and KOd floyd he would have been DQd.
I completely agree with you. P4P King and you have to resort to those types of tactics thats just a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I think you have to make room for others who have a different opinion. Boxing throughout history has had exciting fighters who were "mindless clubbers" and also exciting fighters who were masterful boxers. In terms of efficacy, sometimes one style wins, sometimes the other. You can have your opinion on which you want to watch, but it's not fair to dismiss the other out of hand. Boxing encompasses the entire range of styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As a pure boxer, in terms of excitement, I would put Rigondeaux somewhere between Whitaker and Laras. He stays in the pocket a lot, using a beautiful array of techniques to "not get hit." Whitaker would do similar things, but with a natural flair and showmanship that made it more exciting to watch. Laras on the other hand runs halfway across the ring, throws two or three punches, then runs to the other side. I just can't compare that to the defensive mastery of Rigondeaux, much less the wizardry of someone like Sweet Pea. Stylistically, I personally don't consider that to be "pure" boxing, or "defensive mastery."
I save those terms for guys like Rigondeaux.
LOL, I'm beginning to think I might be a little fickle. They have convinced Zou to engage more to make for exciting fights (and I like that), but now they have to convince him to let some of his opponent's punches miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
They are saying Zou makes too much money for his level as a pro, but that fight was all about about Zou, what I mean is that it could have been a boring affair with Zou picking him apart from the outside, but instead I wound up enjoying it.
Zou, is China's poster boy right now, so he's going to make the most money most of the time.
Larry Merchant was terrible, apparently he's making less so he's saying less, that's a good thing in the long run. I do admire the fact that he I still out there working, I'm sure he doesn't need the money and he is getting old.
those with differing opinions speak all the time. We constantly hear them dismiss anyone that boxes as boring. I'm just making a point to speak up when it isn't true, like with Rigondeaux. I have no problem with aggressive fighters. My favorites from youth and to this day are Hagler and Hearns which demonstrates that aggression appeals to me. Mindless clubbing does not. If I want to see a fight I can go to a bar, I watch boxing to see a broad array of styles pitted against each other. But people seem to want to eliminate boxing from boxing. I usually don't speak in absolutes but I did on that previous post saying mindless clubbers are boring to make a point. If those against boxers ever spoke for themselves I'd be fine with their opinion. "I find Rigo boring", that'd be fine. But instead it's always "Rigo is boring" or "Lara is boring" or "Mayweather is boring" or or or. When the guys that speak against any and all boxing in boxing learn to speak for themselves I'll adjust my sentence to I find mindless clubbing boring but until then MINDLESS CLUBBING IS BORING.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsI think you have to make room for others who have a different opinion. Boxing throughout history has had exciting fighters who were "mindless clubbers" and also exciting fighters who were masterful boxers. In terms of efficacy, sometimes one style wins, sometimes the other. You can have your opinion on which you want to watch, but it's not fair to dismiss the other out of hand. Boxing encompasses the entire range of styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As a pure boxer, in terms of excitement, I would put Rigondeaux somewhere between Whitaker and Laras. He stays in the pocket a lot, using a beautiful array of techniques to "not get hit." Whitaker would do similar things, but with a natural flair and showmanship that made it more exciting to watch. Laras on the other hand runs halfway across the ring, throws two or three punches, then runs to the other side. I just can't compare that to the defensive mastery of Rigondeaux, much less the wizardry of someone like Sweet Pea. Stylistically, I personally don't consider that to be "pure" boxing, or "defensive mastery."
I save those terms for guys like Rigondeaux.
Me too! I always find it more exciting when there is an interesting stylistic clash to the bout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swansonthose with differing opinions speak all the time. We constantly hear them dismiss anyone that boxes as boring. I'm just making a point to speak up when it isn't true, like with Rigondeaux. I have no problem with aggressive fighters. My favorites from youth and to this day are Hagler and Hearns which demonstrates that aggression appeals to me. Mindless clubbing does not. If I want to see a fight I can go to a bar, I watch boxing to see a broad array of styles pitted against each other. But people seem to want to eliminate boxing from boxing. I usually don't speak in absolutes but I did on that previous post saying mindless clubbers are boring to make a point. If those against boxers ever spoke for themselves I'd be fine with their opinion. "I find Rigo boring", that'd be fine. But instead it's always "Rigo is boring" or "Lara is boring" or "Mayweather is boring" or or or. When the guys that speak against any and all boxing in boxing learn to speak for themselves I'll adjust my sentence to I find mindless clubbing boring but until then MINDLESS CLUBBING IS BORING.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsI think you have to make room for others who have a different opinion. Boxing throughout history has had exciting fighters who were "mindless clubbers" and also exciting fighters who were masterful boxers. In terms of efficacy, sometimes one style wins, sometimes the other. You can have your opinion on which you want to watch, but it's not fair to dismiss the other out of hand. Boxing encompasses the entire range of styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As a pure boxer, in terms of excitement, I would put Rigondeaux somewhere between Whitaker and Laras. He stays in the pocket a lot, using a beautiful array of techniques to "not get hit." Whitaker would do similar things, but with a natural flair and showmanship that made it more exciting to watch. Laras on the other hand runs halfway across the ring, throws two or three punches, then runs to the other side. I just can't compare that to the defensive mastery of Rigondeaux, much less the wizardry of someone like Sweet Pea. Stylistically, I personally don't consider that to be "pure" boxing, or "defensive mastery."
I save those terms for guys like Rigondeaux.
So by mindless clubbing I assume you mean Toughman-style fighting. I agree that is boring as well. I guess I'm not a huge fan of either extreme - someone like Butterbean on one side, and someone like Laras on the other. With that being said - I still watch, even those extremes.
I feel the same way, we all watch and pay for fights we don't enjoy so we can see the ones we do like.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsMe too! I always find it more exciting when there is an interesting stylistic clash to the bout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swansonthose with differing opinions speak all the time. We constantly hear them dismiss anyone that boxes as boring. I'm just making a point to speak up when it isn't true, like with Rigondeaux. I have no problem with aggressive fighters. My favorites from youth and to this day are Hagler and Hearns which demonstrates that aggression appeals to me. Mindless clubbing does not. If I want to see a fight I can go to a bar, I watch boxing to see a broad array of styles pitted against each other. But people seem to want to eliminate boxing from boxing. I usually don't speak in absolutes but I did on that previous post saying mindless clubbers are boring to make a point. If those against boxers ever spoke for themselves I'd be fine with their opinion. "I find Rigo boring", that'd be fine. But instead it's always "Rigo is boring" or "Lara is boring" or "Mayweather is boring" or or or. When the guys that speak against any and all boxing in boxing learn to speak for themselves I'll adjust my sentence to I find mindless clubbing boring but until then MINDLESS CLUBBING IS BORING.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsI think you have to make room for others who have a different opinion. Boxing throughout history has had exciting fighters who were "mindless clubbers" and also exciting fighters who were masterful boxers. In terms of efficacy, sometimes one style wins, sometimes the other. You can have your opinion on which you want to watch, but it's not fair to dismiss the other out of hand. Boxing encompasses the entire range of styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As a pure boxer, in terms of excitement, I would put Rigondeaux somewhere between Whitaker and Laras. He stays in the pocket a lot, using a beautiful array of techniques to "not get hit." Whitaker would do similar things, but with a natural flair and showmanship that made it more exciting to watch. Laras on the other hand runs halfway across the ring, throws two or three punches, then runs to the other side. I just can't compare that to the defensive mastery of Rigondeaux, much less the wizardry of someone like Sweet Pea. Stylistically, I personally don't consider that to be "pure" boxing, or "defensive mastery."
I save those terms for guys like Rigondeaux.
So by mindless clubbing I assume you mean Toughman-style fighting. I agree that is boring as well. I guess I'm not a huge fan of either extreme - someone like Butterbean on one side, and someone like Laras on the other. With that being said - I still watch, even those extremes.
That's boxing, it's always been that way and probably always will be.
I still think that was a punk move by Mayweather, he baited and went along with 'hugging it out", nods, and then tags him when Ortiz wanted to prolong it. Foolish Ortiz and I get it, protect yourself yadda yadda, but Floyd punked him. And yes, Ortiz opened himself up to be punked. But still was a bit&$ move.
Anyone have vid of Rigo fight btw ???