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What I'm thinking is that if you specify a UD, MD, SD...and your fighter wins via another type of decision excluding KO or TKO, you should be granted 1 point instead of having a 3 point deduction.
In terms of the KO/TKO rules governing all types of stoppages:
I think it may be best to modify the rule so that if your fighter wins via decision you will not lose any points.
Your feedback would be appreciated.
I'll leave this up for the week.
Of course, majority vote wins in either case.
Personally, I think if you are brave enough to pick a round for a stoppage, weather it is a TKO or KO, I think you should get maximum points.
Imagine if that poor sod, who picked TKO10 Pacquiao, actually picked KO10 Pacquiao, you are saying he scores a big fat 0?
That is IMO unfair.
Anyway, back to your subject, no, it should not be changed.
Why?
Because, you can still always just pick a fighter to win points, rather than WS, WM or WU, and score three points.
If you want to be greedy, you know the risks involved...
Personally, I think that was an excellent rule change by Shadow; it opened up the game a bit more.
Well, we have one vote thusfar. :o I agree with TKO/KO predictions. If you call a TKO and it's KO you lose points also. Don't think I would have the heart to penalize Cnote if he would have called it a KO.
In the spirit of democracy on a boxing board, get your votes in people.
mate you have it set out and know where it is falling more than anyone as most people will vote on how there ratings are going... you will come up with the best system in the end.
my view on it would be finish it in June...6 months run each time i think a year may be too long ;)
KO/TKO picks should get more points and if they want to guess KO or TKO rather than putting KO/TKO it should be a double or nothing gamble
I also think if you pick a round you should not lose the ko/tko points for getting the round wrong and it should just be an added way to get to the top quicker.
and the same kinda thing with Decision UD SD Draw
but im easy with what you decide as i think you know how its going better than enyone ;)
Sounds good to me. It's sad to have my score with so many negative points.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Simply the whole system if you ask me.
(points are for example purposes only)
Get result right +4
Wrong - 3
Then if you get the fight right these are 'bonuses'
Get type of decision. KO, TKO, SD, UD etc +3
Wrong -1
Get the round right if you picked a stoppage +3
Wrong -1
You dont have to specify the 'bonuses' if you dotn want to.
And maybe for 'super fights' ie the big ones, all points are double.
real simple - i read the current rules got so confused i didnt enter
I'm sorry about the confusion regarding the current rules. I will make some suggested changes to make it less punitive. The rules are quite draconian as they stand right now.
Most of them will stay in place. But TKO/KO and other stoppage decisions will be modified. e.g. If you call a TKO and it's a KO you will get 0 instead of a -3. If you call the exact round of stoppage you are taking a double or nothing gamble. If it's a KO and you pick TKO I think you should be awarded
+3 at minimum. If you are wrong, you get 0.
In terms of scorecard decisions:
If you pick UD,SD,MD and your fighter wins by a SD when you picked a UD,
you should be given 1 point.
I'm still thinking about a new way to approach the point allocation system.
It will increase for specific types of decisions; I'm still uncertain what the new figure will be.
Keep the votes coming in people. This isn't a dictatorship where I have the last word. This contest is for the site and it's members. It's not here to glorify my already inflated ego.
Just consider this a beta test that needs a bit a tweeking along the way.
Let me know what you think. I need alot more feedback than I've gotten.
just to put my two cents in....
I really don't think there should be a penalty for anything besides picking the wrong fighter...That way its a much more difficult to be on top and stay there...Negatives create such a hole, you can't get out...
And picking the wrong fighter should be penalty enough....
Correct Fighter wins +2
Wrong Fighter Picked -4
Everything esle should just be a bonus....
Example
UD +1
SD +2
Draw +3
Stoppage No winner +3
TKO +2
KO +3
Cuts TKO +4
Cuts Decision Win +2
RD Picked +3
Just my two cents...I'm going to play regardless of the rules you chose Shadow..
But i'm still glowing from Pacman TKO RD 10
I think the rules are a little bit harsh at the moment, and confusing, judging by some peoples predictions they clearly haven't understood the rules... as you've already suggested it will only take slight modifications to make it better, and easier for people to understand. 8) Click for the effort Shadow.
Keep the feedback coming fellas. We'll have this all sorted out by the end of the week. ;) For fuks sake, I'm at -14. :o ;D I'll have to figure a loophole into the system which awards me only positive numbers. ;D :-\
I did ok and got minus >:( .No more round predictions from me unless there's no penalty for getting it wrong.Fair enough getting the outcome wrong but picking the winner and still getting penalised cos you got the round wrong is.......well,it's just wrong! ;D
I'm easy - but sounds like a good change!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
i agree there needs to be a change
i somehow droped 13 points and actually had two fights correct out of the four i made predictions on...
i really don't know how the scores were even calculated. it seems like something has gone wrong.
Ok I don't see how it can be fair to differeniate between a KO and a TKO, surely they should be treated as the same thing? It's a complete lottery as to whether a fighter fails to beat the count or whether the ref intervenes beforehand and waves the fight off. Surely if the ref stops the fight because in his opinion the fighter was unfit to carry on then you can take it as a given that if it did carry on the result would have been a knockout.
I think you should get points for correctly picking the overall decision , win , lose, or draw and then extra points for the specifics so for example win = 3 points if you predict correctly a knockout in round 5 and its a knockout in round 7 you get 3 ectra points for the knockout but no bonus points for the round.
So you have 3 levels of points to gain, firstly who wins, secondly the nature of the win, (KO, UD. MD, ect) and finally the round it ends in.
That way is surely fairer than losing all your points because you predicted Manny winning in 8 rather than 10 for example.
The extra advantage of this is that it would be a far more accurate reflection of each entrant's ability to predict results, eg they would be picking up a few points regularly with each correct prediction and so would righly always be rated higher than someone who is totally wrong 9 times out of 10 but once in a blue moon scores a hail mary and gets a round 4 stoppage due to cuts correct and shoots up to the top of the leaderboard.
The fairest system should reward consistency not flukes.
Let me give a football analogy (uk not us but you can equualy apply)
Chelsea are currently top of the table well clear on points because the keep winning each game. It would be ludicrously unfiar if Man Utd defeated Sunderland 10-0 and so were given the 14 points to draw level! That would be absurd, c'mon guys you can see that ;)
I just think that the judfes should be picked randomly. Too much politics involved. And judges involved in a clearly bogus decision (ex. Augustus-Burton) should be bannished. If you dont do your job right you get fired dont you? It is so hard toi get a decision overturned, there is no room for error the first time around.
i agree with bilbo that there shouldn't be any difference between a ko and a tko.
i'm also amenable to those changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm with the no difference between KO/TKO, a guy can be totally out of it, drag himself to his feet before 10 and have the fight stopped and it's called a TKO. I don't think somebody should be penalized because somebody made it to his feet at 9 or whatever. Just my opinion. But I don't care if the rules stay the same completely, it's still a good contest.
Rule changes:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...4602#msg264602
OK Shadow i was thinking about this last night and the main problem is this....
if we have 6 fights to pick...
lets say you pick ko/tko for the 6 fights and all are right apart from 1 fight where the boxer you pick gets ko/tko'd
you score nothing for picking 5 winners by ko/tko ((not an easy trick)) because of 1 upset
surely it is normal to have atleast one upset in 6 fights?
to fix this i think the ko/tko picks should get 2 points and if your fighter loses by ko/tko you should lose only 2 points. and not 5
then if you get 5 fights right and one wrong out of 6 you get 8 point... this means the KO only and TKO only picks should go up to 4 point each as a double or nothing gamble ;)
is it rediculous to suggest that we start over because we're now choosing fights without even knowing the scores and penalties....???
who said start over?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete shonan
i did ;D
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by pete shonan
I see what you are saying here, but it's a gamble either way. TKO/KO picks could garner 2 points, if that's what the rest of the participants want. But the 5 point deduction for your fighter getting TKO'd or KO'd when you picked your fighter to win via stoppage was in the old system also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
In terms of Oumafan's observation of the TKO/KO rule:
Yes, a fighter can get up before the count of 10 and have the fight waved off,
but that doesn't happen all the time. Legitimate KO's still happen in the sport.
Although the TKO is more likely. Hence, the point spread difference.
It's entirely up to you guy's. With the tweeks that I made from the system in place 3 weeks ago, a lot of people have made it out of the red. I must admit that those rules were quite draconian.
Keep the thread moving along. If enough people want me to change the TKO/KO bonus to + 2, I don't have a problem with that. I do think it would be foolish to change the 5 point deduction if your fighter is picked to win via stoppage and get's stopped. That rule was grandfathered into the old contest and nobody complained about it then.
As I said before: I've come up with the system but it is open to everyone's input. ALL feedback is valid and will be taken into consideration. ;)
I hit modify by mistake when I meant to quote you Saddo. ::)
Going to unpin this, you can find the rules to the competition here:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,25148.0.html